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JSpira
12-16-2012, 05:18 PM
Let's just say I found Friday's CNBC interview particularly revealing, esp. since I've flown the Dreamliner on multiple trips and have a few round trips scheduled for early next year.

BOEING: PROBLEMS WITH 787 DREAMLINER “NORMAL”
(http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2012/12/boeing-problems-with-787-dreamliner-normal/)
By Jonathan Spira

Aircraft manufacturer Boeing is actively investigating the electrical issues that airlines have reported on its new 787 Dreamliner aircraft. Since the 787 went into service a little over a year ago, at least four aircraft have had to have electrical system repairs.
Earlier this month, United Airlines 787 made an emergency landing after one of its six power generators failed and a Qatar Airways jet was grounded due to the problems. …

cha777
12-17-2012, 12:52 PM
Great quote from Akbar Al Baker in that article about using the a/c and not putting them in museums. So the real question is, with Boeing's history in masterfully designing, building, and launching the 777 in-house, will Boeing ever do the global mish-mash assembly model for any airliner after the 787?

X3 Skier
12-20-2012, 08:54 AM
Great quote from Akbar Al Baker in that article about using the a/c and not putting them in museums. So the real question is, with Boeing's history in masterfully designing, building, and launching the 777 in-house, will Boeing ever do the global mish-mash assembly model for any airliner after the 787?

That is what happens when you put the bean counters in charge instead of engineers. Anybody who thought they could pull off the distributed around the world design and to a lesser extent, manufacturing, of a clean sheet of paper airplane certainly found out differently.

Once the design is stable and done by one team in one location, it is a much lower hurdle to break out the manufacturing. We had many of the same problems with the prototypes in the YF-22 and YF-23 programs but by the time the Full Scale development started four years later, the process was established and proven.

Boeing never had the chance to learn how to do it before they started the production design since somebody convinced the management designing wings in Japan, other parts in Italy and others elsewhere around the world, then shipping them to either Seattle and Charleston to be assembled would go off flawlessly and save a ton of bucks since they used computers. :rolleyes:

Cheers

TTG
01-06-2013, 12:07 PM
^Bean counter comment is very original....

They will eventually sort it all out.....

Just like cars, airplanes have their glitches and Boeing has reworked first 40 airplanes and implemented changes to them. I believe line 42 and on already has these changes implemented... Just as AB did and continuing to do on the 380

As far as the safety of the 87...... I take Sea - TKO route quite often with ANA (and now with United as well) and I am not concerned about safety a bit....

VIZSLA
01-07-2013, 11:02 AM
Define normal.
A Japanese Dreamliner caught fire at Logan airport today.
Initial reports say the fire was in the avionics. Batteries were involved.

TTG
01-07-2013, 05:38 PM
Define normal.
A Japanese Dreamliner caught fire at Logan airport today.
Initial reports say the fire was in the avionics. Batteries were involved.

Now that was so not normal today. Glad it did not happen in flight.

The plane itself is only 3 weeks old. Delivered Dec 20th. :(

Kamdog
01-07-2013, 09:15 PM
Define normal.
A Japanese Dreamliner caught fire at Logan airport today.
Initial reports say the fire was in the avionics. Batteries were involved.

Hybrid airplanes now?

VIZSLA
01-07-2013, 09:26 PM
Hybrid airplanes now?

They power the plane when on the ground.

X3 Skier
01-08-2013, 06:43 AM
They power the plane when on the ground.

The APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) provides ground power. OTOH, the battery that caught fire is used to start the APU.

With all the electrical problems so far, sounds like the electrical design guys need some remedial study.:angel:

Cheers

Andrew*Debbie
01-16-2013, 02:52 AM
ANA and JAL grounded their 787 fleets after an emergency landing. Together they account for about 1/2 of the delivered 787s.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-01-15/ana-s-boeing-787-makes-emergency-landing-amid-battery-indicator



An All Nippon 787 made an emergency landing in Japan this morning after pilots got a battery-fault warning and smelled smoke, prompting the decision to ground the carrier***8217;s entire fleet for the first time, said Ryosei Nomura, a spokesman for the Tokyo-based carrier. Japan Air followed suit,




http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jan/16/787-emergency-landing-grounds-787


Sounds like another battery fire.