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Test_Engineer
09-10-2004, 10:45 PM
Ok, short story, I finally replaced my '94 Escort with a '01 330i! :thumbup: I know it's one heck of an upgade, but I felt it was time to have a nice car. So as you can see this would be my first car I actually care about and want to keep it looking as good as possible. So I figured I would surf the net and see what this whole detailing thing involves. I think I hit information overload just before I was ready to place the order for everything. So I thought I would at least reach out for a little advice on a BMW forum and I landed here because some of the good info came from you.

So from what I have read, this is what I plan to do to the exterior. (keep in mind some products might only be used on my wifes car)

Seems I can get what I want from Autopia

polisher: PC 7424

Pads: orange, white, grey (they all come with the PC when you get the kit)

MF towels: Sam's club


on to the process I have in mind:

DAWN - everyone says so! ratio of soap... I guess untill soapy enough????

Clay: Clay Magic kit (I know, very light and lots of lube)

Polish: 1Z Metalic polish (on the orange pad?) (maybe only on the wifes car...never been waxed in 4yrs)

polish/glaze: Klasse AIO (on the white pad?)

Glaze: Klasse SG ( grey pad and removed with mf bonnet)

Wax: P21S (applied and removed with MF bonnets)

detail spray: some kind of carnauba base spray stuff


I am guessing between each step a good wipe down with a mf towel is a good Idea. Do I need to use a detail spray also between steps?

Car washes: Meguires Gold Class


So did I learn enough on the net to make an educated stab at this? I'm not into the "this is way better" discusion, I just want to know if this is resonable, and am I missing something, or need to change my thinking before the wife see's the $300 charge on the credit card. I think the steps are right, I just not so sure on witch pad to apply what with, and when to use the bonnets..... If you guys help me out, I promiss to post some good before/during/after pics. I got the interior all planed out... Lexol products everywhere! Engine is no biggy either. Wheels.....Not sure on that one yet either...any suggestions from Autopia or local parts store brands.

Thanks everyone in advance.

Need sleep...have to drive to Mid-Ohio in the morning!!!!!!

BahnBaum
09-11-2004, 07:44 PM
Sounds like a plan. Couple words of advice: start with much less aggressive pads initially and bump up if you find that you need it, and multiple coats of SG add a lot in terms of look and durability. I usually do a minimum of 3 coats. Finally, depending upon the color of your car, topping SG with a carnauba may not do much for you. The cars that seem to benefit are the deeper, richer colors.

Okay, now hurry up and post some pics.

Alex

F1Crazy
09-11-2004, 11:18 PM
I think that with the car being 3 years old 1Z Metallic Polish is not going to be very effective, AIO is going to bring similar results, no reason to buy 2 products doing the same thing, I suggest you get 1Z Paint Polish (green bottle).
If your car has a lot of scratches and oxidation you may wanna stick to an orange pad otherwise white pad is going to be just right.

AIO - white pad.

SG - by hand with foam applicator (get the big blue one, made by Viking I think).

P21S - use the foam applicator that comes in the jar, have clean microfiber towel in your other hand for quick removal. Remember P21S is on and off kind of wax. Don't let it dry, it will be hard to remove.

As far as bonnets for removal, I never found them very useful, I was always quicker doing it by hand with microfiber towel, this will also reduce the chances of getting swirls. Forget about bonnets when you use P21S, wax will be dry by the time you find your PC.

Quick detailer - get Meguiar's Final Inspection, it can be safely used with Klasse products and carnauba waxes, available at your local auto parts stores. If you want a dedicated detailing spray for carnauba then get Griot's Speedshine.

Since you're buying from Autopia why don't you try 1Z products for interior? I love their vinyl products, they give absolutely no shine, Vinylex looks like Armor All in comparison.

Test_Engineer
09-12-2004, 04:36 PM
Finally, depending upon the color of your car, topping SG with a carnauba may not do much for you. The cars that seem to benefit are the deeper, richer colors.

Okay, now hurry up and post some pics.

Alex


It's Orient Blue Metallic (the real dark Blue), so from what I have read, it will benefit from carnauba!

Test_Engineer
09-12-2004, 05:23 PM
I think that with the car being 3 years old 1Z Metallic Polish is not going to be very effective, AIO is going to bring similar results, no reason to buy 2 products doing the same thing, I suggest you get 1Z Paint Polish (green bottle).
If your car has a lot of scratches and oxidation you may wanna stick to an orange pad otherwise white pad is going to be just right.

AIO - white pad.

OK, I reread the descriptions and maybe the green 1Z is the better choice. Since all the "finnishing" product you suggest doing by hand, I guess I should just get 2 white pads and maybe an orange for the heavy stuff if needed.

And for the SG applicator, i guess you are talking about the "Handi-Grip Foam Applicators" on Autopia?


Any advice for the wheels?

F1Crazy
09-12-2004, 08:29 PM
OK, I reread the descriptions and maybe the green 1Z is the better choice. Since all the "finnishing" product you suggest doing by hand, I guess I should just get 2 white pads and maybe an orange for the heavy stuff if needed.

And for the SG applicator, i guess you are talking about the "Handi-Grip Foam Applicators" on Autopia?


Any advice for the wheels?
There are plenty good wheel cleaners, my favorite is Eagle One's A2Z since I can pick it up at any local store and it's new "orange" formula is not acidic and safe for all finishes. You can also use it to clean your tires. There are almost too many tire dressings out there, natural look is what I prefer, Vinylex is a good choice.

Test_Engineer
09-13-2004, 12:08 PM
This is a pic of the new car. As you can see, the wheels are a pain to clean with the tight spoke design.

F1Crazy
09-13-2004, 12:59 PM
No matter what you'll do, wax the wheels, clean them every couple of days, etc., brake dust will be part of your life with OEM pads. I have only one thing to say: get AXXIS DELUXE PLUS pads ASAP.

Test_Engineer
09-13-2004, 01:27 PM
No matter what you'll do, wax the wheels, clean them every couple of days, etc., brake dust will be part of your life with OEM pads. I have only one thing to say: get AXXIS DELUXE PLUS pads ASAP.

The brakes still feel pretty good, I didn't look at the pads yet, but with 33,000 miles on the OEM pads, I guess they must be close to gone. Since you suggested the Axxis pads, did you notice any differance in brake performance, or initial bite feeling? I test cars for a living, and I get :mad: when something on a car just doesn't feel right. I like the OEM feel, but IF the Axxis has better brake dust control with the same performance, I might be sold! That is the only thing I hate about German cars, is the brake dust... well that and their crappy cup holders :rofl: !

F1Crazy
09-13-2004, 08:32 PM
The brakes still feel pretty good, I didn't look at the pads yet, but with 33,000 miles on the OEM pads, I guess they must be close to gone. Since you suggested the Axxis pads, did you notice any differance in brake performance, or initial bite feeling? I test cars for a living, and I get :mad: when something on a car just doesn't feel right. I like the OEM feel, but IF the Axxis has better brake dust control with the same performance, I might be sold! That is the only thing I hate about German cars, is the brake dust... well that and their crappy cup holders :rofl: !
The downside of the these Axxis pads is that they require a little more effort and tend to squeal when cold, especially in the morning. I don't think it affects the overall breaking distance, it's still quite easy to activate ABS when coming really hot into the corner but it's the problem of the tires...

Test_Engineer
09-18-2004, 01:55 PM
Well, I chickened out on trying all this on the 330i! BUT, My wife now has the cleanest, and most polish Dodge Stratus in the county.

Test_Engineer
10-04-2004, 09:17 PM
Got too into cleaning my baby and forgot about all the pics i promissed. Here is what I did.

Dawn
clay(blue stuff...perfect shine maybe)
Removed grill, front corners, side markers, and masked all the rest with blue painters tape(well worth $4 in insurance)
Meg's ScratchX(I will NEVER use this again, It filled in all the really fine dings with white residue)
1Z Paint Polish
Klasse AIO
Klasse SG
Pinnacle Signature series Carnuba(this stuff ROCKS)

Here it is:
http://home.comcast.net/~cbruckner7805/my330i.jpg

About 14 hrs later and tired as hell it looked pretty good for only my second time detailing a car. Then Monday came.......... The glass place came and I thought they were just going to replace the gel pad for the rain sensor they broke when they replaced the front glass. I came back from Lunch and my car had NO WINDSHIELD :bawling: . So after biting my lip I asked the guy what was up...turns out that gel pad is part of the OEM window, so I got a new BMW windshield out of it instead of the PPG one that I had. But the guy must have dripped some silicone or something on the hood in a couple of places and wiped it off his his dirty ass rag from his pocket. :mad: I damn near punched the guy in the face after I saw that rag touch my 14hrs of labor. Live and learn.... If they drive a little red truck...they must not have anything better on thier plate! I think I got most of the stuff off, but the hood is scratched in a nice wipe pattern, and the paint is dull in that area now. :bawling:

BahnBaum
10-05-2004, 03:44 AM
Looks great!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Alex

opusone
10-25-2004, 08:01 AM
Have some questions about detailing using klasse, any help is greatly appreciated..

1) Is it possible to apply and buff of the Klasse stuff by hand? I went to the autopia website and they said you need a special applicator for that... some people have a hard time buffing off SG, any tips on doing that?

2) do you need to wait for 12-24 hours before applying wax on SG? Do you need to wash the car again with car wash soap before waxing?

2) if the klasse stuff is not hand-buffable, can anyone suggest some similar products that you can buy in stores like walmart, advance auto parts, etc?

thanks!

1Dreamer
10-25-2004, 03:01 PM
Yes, it is completely possible to apply and buff by hand. I just used it for the first time about 3 weeks ago and had the same concerns, but I had no problem whatsoever. Very easy

I first washed the car using the Sonus Wash product, but added about an oz of AIO to the bucket to help remove any wax before starting with the AIO. (Read about that somewhere and preferred it to the idea of using Dawn.) Then I did 2 applications of AIO which was probably overkill but I wanted to make sure I didn't miss any spots since it was the first time I'd ever used Klasse.

Then I followed the advise several have mentioned and put some SG in a small sprayer bottle, sprayed the microfiber applicator a couple of times with SG and covered about 2x2 or 3x3 sections at a time using the wipe on/wipe off method. By spraying, you coat the entire surface of the applicator so you get a much more even application than putting a "dime" size amount on one spot and trying to cover every inch of of each section/panel with that one little spot of SG. It is also much easier to see where you've been.

I then did a second coat the next day and a 3rd coat a week later. It looked good after the first coat (but no better than wax IMO) great after the second (like a great multi-coat wax job), but I heard the 3rd coat of SG is the charm, and I'd have to agree. After that it looked like it just came off the showroom floor.

I didn't want to wax it though because SG won't go on top of wax, so once you wax the car, if you want to put another coat of SG on later you'd have to start all over with AIO to remove all the wax before applying any coats of SG again. I also ordered a bottle of the Sonus Glanz which is supposed to have some of the SG in it and act as a booster, and I couldn't use that if I waxed either.

As everyone says, the key to SG removal seems to be thin, even coats. Just to test the theory out, I did try putting it on heavily on one section on my 3rd coat and it was difficult to buff off, but I used some Sonus Spritz (non-wax Quick Detailer) and it came right off. But if you use the spray method, you shouldn't have any problems and you'll actually use less product. Each full application only used about an oz. You can get small spray bottles at Target, but some have suggested beauty supply places.

By the way, Autopia was great. I ordered on line and got it the next day using standard shipping. The package I ordered included a couple of microfiber towels, but I also bought a 16-pack from Costco for around $10 and was pretty happy with them.

Good luck!

opusone
10-25-2004, 03:37 PM
thanks for the detailed description... did you wash your car with soap again in between applying layers of SG or did you just use water to wash away and debris on the car?

1Dreamer
10-25-2004, 04:41 PM
thanks for the detailed description... did you wash your car with soap again in between applying layers of SG or did you just use water to wash away and debris on the car?

I'd driven the car between coats so I did a very quick 15 minute wash job just to be safe - basically once over quickly, rinse off and a sloppy dry. I was only washing it to apply another coat of SG (which is water compatible) and most people suggest slightly dampening the applicator with water before applying SG anyway, so I wasn't worried about thoroughly getting all the water off or water spotting. All that would be accomplished in the application process. If your car is garaged and you don't drive it between coats, you probably don't need to wash it.

By the way, if you decide not to wax, I've also seen some people say that instead of Sonus Glanz, they dilute an oz of SG with 5 parts water, put it in a sprayer bottle and use it after every few washes as a "booster" to the SG and it works well. Supposed to potentially boost the longevity of the SG protection for up to a year depending on how much the car is outside, weather conditions, etc.