M1 pic?

[J///MR]

I don't speak russian, but I like the looks. Reminiscent of my M Coupe.

http://lenta.ru/auto/2004/12/16/bmw/

http://img.lenta.ru/auto/2004/12/16/bmw/picture.jpg

[Chris90]

Autocar says the M1 is back on schedule, with a 310 hp six version of the V10, and a 7 speed automatic. No manual option would kill it for me of course.

[WileECoyote]

I don't speak russian, but I like the looks. Reminiscent of my M Coupe.

http://lenta.ru/auto/2004/12/16/bmw/



Try running the link through here (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) . Can someone post the translation?

My company's firewall doesn't like the site, so I can't...

[Alamo]

I don't speak russian, but I like the looks. Reminiscent of my M Coupe.

http://lenta.ru/auto/2004/12/16/bmw/

http://img.lenta.ru/auto/2004/12/16/bmw/picture.jpg

It kinda has that PT Cruiser look

[EZ]

I don't speak russian, but I like the looks. Reminiscent of my M Coupe.

http://lenta.ru/auto/2004/12/16/bmw/

http://img.lenta.ru/auto/2004/12/16/bmw/picture.jpg

I read the Russian article. The bottom line -- M1 is coming. Expect forced (turbo??) 3 liter engine, 310 ponnies, 7 speed SMG. Zero to 100 km/h in 5.8 s (WHAT?!!!). It will compete with VW Golf R32, A3 and Ford Focus RS. Not clear when to expect the announcement.

Sounds a bit fishy, as you see.

[swchang]

BMW M1 Is prepared for the premier
In the depths of company BMW continues the work on the creation of most rapid version of model BMW of 1-Series, which, according to tradition, will obtain name BMW M1. the precise periods of the appearance of a novelty on the market thus far they do not communicate; however, are even now known some details about this automobile.

As it is expected, new BMW M1 will be accessible either in three-door body or c by the body of sleeping compartment. Be equipped it will be the augmented three-liter six-cylinder engine, whose power will compose order 310 horsepower, and also by seven-stage KPP SMG with rear-wheel drive. Supposedly, from zero to hundred kilometers an hour automobile will be able to be accelerated in 5,8- seconds, and its maximum speed will be limited on 250 kilometers an hour.

Besides the powerful motor, the automobile will obtain also new suspension, more powerful brake will be characterized by the more aggressive design of body, executed in the style of the new BMW M5. furthermore, M1 will be obtained the new finishing of salon with sport seats and number of other accessories.

To compete BMW M1 it is necessary with VW Golf R32 of new generation, which is now prepared for premier, with top- versions Audi A3, and also with Ford Focus RS of new generation and Alfa Romeo 147 gta. Furthermore, its hot version BMW of 1-Series prepares even studio Alpina, which plans to boost two-liter six-cylinder engine to 240 horsepower.

[Chris90]

Ok, I dug up the Autocar article (in English!).

http://autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=212638

Plans for a scorching M version of the BMW 1-series are back on track, after its production was put in jeopardy amid concerns about high development costs and its positioning within the German car maker’s line-up. According to Munich bosses, the new car, depicted here in our exclusive computer-generated image, has been brought back into BMW’s forward model line-up following a resurgence in Europe’s hot-hatch ranks with cars such as the Volkswagen Golf R32, Alfa Romeo 147 GTA and Ford Focus RS.

‘The market for high-performance small cars has evolved greatly in recent years. Pricing is not so sensitive and buyers appear prepared to pay more than has been the case up until now,’ a BMW source said.

Seen as a spiritual successor to the original M3 of 1986, the new junior M car was originally conceived with four-cylinder power. But with the standards raised by rival car makers in recent years, BMW is now looking at an all-new 3.0-litre in-line six-cylinder engine. It is tipped to use the same bore-centre measurements and individual cylinder capacity as the potent new 5.0-litre V10 engine and is part of an expanded M-engine line-up.

Further details remain scarce, although Autocar understands BMW is aiming for a red line of 8500rpm and an output around 310bhp — 160bhp more than today’s petrol range-topper, the 150bhp 2.0-litre four-cylinder 120i. With power going to the rear wheels through a seven-speed SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox) and a likely kerbweight of 1500kg, the baby M-car promises class-leading performance. Estimates put its 0-60mph capability at 5.8sec, with its top speed likely to be limited to 155mph.

Autocar sources say the lightweight engine, running BMW’s latest dual-Vanos variable valve timing system and individual throttle butterflies for each cylinder, forms part of a whole range of new high-revving M-division engines. This includes a 400bhp 4.0-litre V8 for the next-generation M3 due in early 2006. The next generation M3 (right) will be launched in both two-door coupe and cabrio, and four-door saloon form. That engine is also pencilled in to power a Z4M, the hot version of the two-seat roadster, although possibly in a detuned form (see gallery).

But Autocar has also unearthed plans for a secret gung-ho 6.0-litre V12 earmarked for a new M7 performance flagship. BMW has always resisted developing an M version of its luxury saloon, but the success of the Mercedes S55 AMG hasn’t gone unnoticed in Munich.

The six-cylinder unit from the new 1-series is essentially half of the new V12 powerplant. Both engines will be produced at BMW’s specialist engine plant in Munich.

[Bill Dance]

3300lb with SMG?
No thanks.

[Fifty_Cent]

An M1 with a 3L 6 cylinder 310hp engine, with 0-60 in 5.8sec?
No manual transmission.......

Hm.........
Isnt the E46 faster than that? and the S54 has 343hp?
I think numbers dont quite add up......acceleration is too slow compared with power/weight ratio.....
5.8...........
E46 330i manual is doing 6.1sec for 0-62mph with 231hp in Europe.....

[KrisL]

E46 330i manual is doing 6.1sec for 0-62mph with 231hp in Europe.....


Car & Driver did 0-60 in 5.6 seconds in the 330i ZHP...

[HW]

It kinda has that PT Cruiser look
this actually looks good. the pt loser looks like it belongs in a zztop video.

[HW]

i would think that bmw would want to reserve the M1 name for a supercar.

[Andm99]

How can the M-derivative of the 1 Series have a modified V10 and be a BMW six cyclinder? BMW only produces an Inline 6, negating the ability to produce an Inline engine from a V engine.

[AJAX]

How can the M-derivative of the 1 Series have a modified V10 and be a BMW six cyclinder? BMW only produces an Inline 6, negating the ability to produce an Inline engine from a V engine.

Read the Autocar info posted above. Not a modified V-10.

The S54 puts out 333hp and does 0-60 in around 5.2 with SMG.

for a lighter car, I would think an M1 would be quicker.

[CarlM]

If gas prices continued to climb here they might have imported but this is not the entry level that dealers are asking for.. Most of them already sell the mini's so why compete with them selves. For sure they are not with Ford..

[TeenerPaul]

Please god don't let them name it the M1. Too much heritage to that name to disgrace it with 1 series based car.

Paul

[2008-230i]

For the first time, I actually believe the M1 will be built.

Why do I think this?

Well, go to http://www.bmw.com/ and once in the video version, Click on BMW Insights menu item. From the drop down click on "BWM M GmbH"

Look at the 4th image that appears!!

[JST]

For the first time, I actually believe the M1 will be built.

Why do I think this?

Well, go to http://www.bmw.com/ and once in the video version, Click on BMW Insights menu item. From the drop down click on "BWM M GmbH"

Look at the 4th image that appears!!

That's not an M car. It's just a garden variety 1er being used as a driver instruction vehicle.

Note the single exhaust, the small wheels, etc.

[2008-230i]

That's not an M car. It's just a garden variety 1er being used as a driver instruction vehicle.

Note the single exhaust, the small wheels, etc.
Oh, I am very aware of that... but do the other cars shown there have an M variant? Why else whold they show the 1? BTW, it doesn't have the name of it on the back (120i, 120d, etc.)

[Clarke]

M1;http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46623&stc=1http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46624&stc=1

[James]

It kinda has that PT Cruiser look I was thinking Mazda3 on Steroids.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/images/04mazda3_3-1.jpg

James.

[Chris90]

M1;http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46623&stc=1

Whoa, that looks just like the corner in Italy where I took this shot of my Punto rental! (oops, it's not the same though, the corner uphill is different).

http://home.comcast.net/~ckolsen/Photos/punto_2.jpg

[e30]

[QUOTE=Clarke] ...Now thats the M1 :thumbup:

[The HACK]

Read the Autocar info posted above. Not a modified V-10.

The S54 puts out 333hp and does 0-60 in around 5.2 with SMG.

for a lighter car, I would think an M1 would be quicker.

You can't ALWAYS just assume that car A with XXX HP and YYYY lbs does 0-60 in Z.Z time that car B with AAA HP and BBBB lbs does 0-60 in C.C seconds.

First, you have got to look at the torque and torque curve. If it indeed comes with a 3.0 liter turbocharged engine, you're likely to see a very peaky torque curve and likely less overall torque, despite ~310hp. Second, what if BMW has to tone down the rev limit due to force induction? If it tops out at 7,200 RPM or so, they'll need to put in a much lower diff ratio (say, a 3.15 vs M3's 3.64) forcing the 0-60 time to stay up higher. And if you translate the 0-62 in 5.8 into 0-60 times, it's closer to 5.5 and real world results will likely be more along the line of 5.2-5.3, judging from how everyone seems to love quoting C&D getting the "ZHP" to do 0-60 in 5.6 as the Holy Grail of bench-testing.

It's all speculation at this point anyway, I doubt BMW would make an M based on the 1 series, when there's already 2 other 4 door M sedans in the pipeline. It'll be more likely that the M series based on this platform will be a 2 series.

[Chris90]

I think an M1 coupe is most likely, then an M1 3-door hatch. A 5 door or sedan is pretty unlikely, imo.

And no way the M division will use a turbo, it'll be an inline 3.0L tuned to 300 hp or so.

[AJAX]

You can't ALWAYS just assume that car A with XXX HP and YYYY lbs does 0-60 in Z.Z time that car B with AAA HP and BBBB lbs does 0-60 in C.C seconds.

First, you have got to look at the torque and torque curve. If it indeed comes with a 3.0 liter turbocharged engine, you're likely to see a very peaky torque curve and likely less overall torque, despite ~310hp. Second, what if BMW has to tone down the rev limit due to force induction? If it tops out at 7,200 RPM or so, they'll need to put in a much lower diff ratio (say, a 3.15 vs M3's 3.64) forcing the 0-60 time to stay up higher. And if you translate the 0-62 in 5.8 into 0-60 times, it's closer to 5.5 and real world results will likely be more along the line of 5.2-5.3, judging from how everyone seems to love quoting C&D getting the "ZHP" to do 0-60 in 5.6 as the Holy Grail of bench-testing.

It's all speculation at this point anyway, I doubt BMW would make an M based on the 1 series, when there's already 2 other 4 door M sedans in the pipeline. It'll be more likely that the M series based on this platform will be a 2 series.


I agree, no you can't always assume that. BUT, if the new inline 6 is HALF of a planned V12 for an M7, as indicated by the article I was referring to, I can reasonably assume that A) it will develop approx 100bhp/liter and B) that if past history is any indicator(E46M3 and E39M5) the transmission will be the same.

[Eduardo]

It kinda has that PT Cruiser look

No way does this possible M1 look like a PT :rolleyes: .

The PT looks like a big. bloated snail. The possible M1 looks sporty and more refined in my opinion.

[WileECoyote]

No way does this possible M1 look like a PT :rolleyes: .

The PT looks like a big. bloated snail. The possible M1 looks sporty and more refined in my opinion.


Bah, I saw the new Audi A3 at the NY Auto show, and it looks a hell of a lot better than either of those.

[James]

Bah, I saw the new Audi A3 at the NY Auto show, and it looks a hell of a lot better than either of those. :stupid:

The A3 did look really sharp.

James.

[leggwork]

there is zero, zilch, nada chance that they will call this model an M1. Their marketing people aren't that stupid to foresake one of the most important cars in their heritage. If it appears, it will be an M2.

[Chris90]

there is zero, zilch, nada chance that they will call this model an M1. Their marketing people aren't that stupid to foresake one of the most important cars in their heritage. If it appears, it will be an M2.

They could call it an Accord Type M for all i care, just bring it!

[germanblood]

I think an M1 coupe is most likely, then an M1 3-door hatch. A 5 door or sedan is pretty unlikely, imo.

And no way the M division will use a turbo, it'll be an inline 3.0L tuned to 300 hp or so.

I agree- I don't see them using a turbo in a M car since they never have before and I hope they make a M hatch.

[xspeedy]

Oh, I am very aware of that... but do the other cars shown there have an M variant? Why else whold they show the 1? BTW, it doesn't have the name of it on the back (120i, 120d, etc.)

But they also show a 7. I'm not aware of any plans for an M variant of the 7. The 7 is a BMW for geezers.

[Jalli]

Ever driven a 760?.. I think you would be surprised. The car is a beast...

[germanblood]

Ever driven a 760?.. I think you would be surprised. The car is a beast...
Even the 745i is a fun car to drive- if you can get past all of the unneeded technology. My father in law owns one and it's a blast to drive. It has plenty of thrust off the line and handles like a much smaller sports car. I can only imagine what a rush a 760 would feel like! :yikes:

[Chris90]

Anyone have this new issue?

http://www.autocar.co.uk/noncar%5Cautocar%5Ccover.jpg

[HeatmiserM]

Anyone have this new issue?

http://www.autocar.co.uk/noncar%5Cautocar%5Ccover.jpg

Yeah, I want to know the secrets too! On the verge of ordering a 330ci zhp, but if this baby is coming out in a couple years, might just keep the 325ci for a while longer...

[gmlav8r]

How can the M-derivative of the 1 Series have a modified V10 and be a BMW six cyclinder? BMW only produces an Inline 6, negating the ability to produce an Inline engine from a V engine.
Just cut that M version V12 the other way = M-inline 6 :)