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tmjb
12-30-2004, 09:51 AM
I am trying to decide whether to include navigation in a 525 and am surprised that I haven't been able to find information on this issue. There seem to be a few references but nothing definitive about the i-drive navigation.

This will be my first BMW and I'm therefore pretty unfamiliar with how the system works and how well it does so.

Can anyone offer advice? How well does it work? How easy/difficult is it to use? Is it worth it (its a relatively expensive option - $1,800).

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

MarcusSDCA
12-30-2004, 11:17 AM
I couldn't decide if I really needed it because I'm a very good map reader. I went for the option anyway. My impression is that after you get the hang of it it's pretty amazing.

Remember that if you lease the car you only pay about 50% of the $1800 (over the term of the lease) and if you buy the car you always have a car worth a little more at resale.

There is nothing better than being in a strange place and having that little voice in the dashboard tell you where to go. Take your pick...hear it from the dashboard or the pissed off spouse in the passenger seat. :rofl:

Ågent99
12-30-2004, 11:20 AM
The first thing that surprised me when I saw the price for the E60 NAV option was that it is the exact same price I paid for NAV on my E39 even way back in 2001!

Now BMWs NAV leaves MUCH to be desired compared to say Lexus but I do find it nice to have. The E60 NAV should be DVD-based which means it should be able to hold more information per DVD (CD) and possibly be faster. My E39 NAV is so annoyingly slow but it does the job when I need it to.

However, I have absolutely zero experience with the E60 NAV...I would like to hear comments as well. Regardless, my wife LOVES the nav and so all future cars we buy will be equipped with such a feature.

beewang
12-30-2004, 04:20 PM
....However, I have absolutely zero experience with the E60 NAV...I would like to hear comments as well. Regardless, my wife LOVES the nav and so all future cars we buy will be equipped with such a feature.

Okay... Here is the deal:

The new E60 Nav system inconjunction w/ i-drive leave the E39 nav that Agent99 has in the dust. The Nav system is incredibly fast. Scale-in and Scale out. When you get the Nav system, the car will have i-drive voice command functions (another reason to get the nav) :thumbup: w/ the voice command, you can now tell the car to change the scale of the map, Change from CD to FM Frequency 106.5, change from radio to CD #5 track8, tell the bluetooth phone to dia 555-876-5309, and a whole lot of other things. :D

The nav is great!! You can find a restaurant via Nav and click link and your bluetooth phone will dial the restaurant for you. Yeah... pretty cool stuff.

btw, get the logic7 premiun sound!! Its awesome!!

cheers,

beewang :bigpimp:

P.S. don't forget the Sirius radio :D

tmjb
12-31-2004, 07:40 AM
I much appreciate the input. Does it work the same way in Europe? Sounds great and certainly leasing means you only pay for a portion of the fullcost.

One point raised that I would like to confirm: Do I understand correctly that without Nav you cannot voice activate a bluetooth phone that otherwise has that capability when using it through the car's system?

Ågent99
01-04-2005, 03:59 PM
Okay... Here is the deal:

Sweet. This option really isn't an option for my family...it will be on the list no matter what but I'm happy to hear BMW is finally "with it" on the electronics/convienence factors.

Thanks, Bee! :D

Ågent99
01-04-2005, 04:15 PM
One point raised that I would like to confirm: Do I understand correctly that without Nav you cannot voice activate a bluetooth phone that otherwise has that capability when using it through the car's system?
I don't think the E39 requires NAV in order to use voice activation for things like a phone and such.

However, many of the voice commands one would give are for the NAV stuff. I don't have any experience with the integrated phone features and voice commands in the E39.

I personally installed voice control in my E39 (pretty simple actually...just get the right box...find the right plug in the back of the car and plug it in...that's it) and it works just fine. I use it a lot for zooming the NAV and for turning on the NAV mapping.

gold233790
01-05-2005, 02:39 PM
I'm the brand new owner of a 530i. Here are my impressions of the NAV-

I'm coming off a 2000 Audi A8 with Nav, cd-based obviously. Additionally, my wife owns the Volvo XC90 with Nav, and a very good friend has the new TL with Nav. So....I have two current systems to compare it to, and one ancient nav. Here's how the BMW compares-

It is not in the same universe as Acura. Not many are. Volvo is better with voice prompts, tells you the street names you are turning on to, alters the map on the screen to show you where you are going and the name of your next turn. Much better. The old Audi was more accurate, but there was no screen and it was cd-based and slow.

Advantages of the BMW Nav? It will get you where you are going, it is relatively quick in updating your position and re-calculating when you miss a turn (which happens occasionally, since the prompts are vague).

All in all, in the week or so since I've owned the car I've plugged about 10 destinations into the Nav- most of which I knew the best way to get to the place I was going. It was pretty good at taking the best route, but compared to other brands it is not very good. That being said, I'd never buy a car without it. It's "good enough", and of course the voice recognition feature rocks.

530iii
01-05-2005, 07:04 PM
From what others have told me there are better systems out there. But i think it looks cooler than having the 6.5 inch Non navi screen! :dunno:

Besides, it looks like it was meant to be in the dashboard!

lcc014
01-06-2005, 12:01 PM
The first thing that surprised me when I saw the price for the E60 NAV option was that it is the exact same price I paid for NAV on my E39 even way back in 2001!

Now BMWs NAV leaves MUCH to be desired compared to say Lexus but I do find it nice to have. The E60 NAV should be DVD-based which means it should be able to hold more information per DVD (CD) and possibly be faster. My E39 NAV is so annoyingly slow but it does the job when I need it to.

However, I have absolutely zero experience with the E60 NAV...I would like to hear comments as well. Regardless, my wife LOVES the nav and so all future cars we buy will be equipped with such a feature.

My E60 Nav works almost the same as the Acura TL excepted for the touch screen feature and smaller screen. Otherwise, it is a nice and useful option to have. However, the DVD (map) disc is not cheap. I will ask dealer for the price.

Ching-Ho Cheng

gold233790
01-06-2005, 12:08 PM
Acura's NAV is much better than BMW. Now, I like the car a lot better than the Acura, but as far as the quality of NAV systems, it isn't close.

You input destination in a similar fashion, but Acura is much more accurate and informative. Plus, you can get Zagat ratings of restaurants on your trip with Acura, etc. Pretty cool interface.

tmjb
01-06-2005, 08:57 PM
Thank you all for your opinions and advice. They are very useful and I much appreciate your input.

MatWiz
01-07-2005, 08:43 AM
There is nothing better than being in a strange place and having that little voice in the dashboard tell you where to go. Take your pick...hear it from the dashboard or the pissed off spouse in the passenger seat. :rofl:
Hehe. You should meet my date.

She was yelling at me to stop at a gas station for directions from the Pocono's to NYC, and was panicking that we will get lost if I take a side road for some sight seeing...

My explanations of how the Nav System works did not help much. She is an engineer BTW... :ouch:

I guess passenger-seat-female-brain-programming goes deeper than 8 satelites and a GPS system... :loco:

Go figure.

MarcusSDCA
01-07-2005, 10:07 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

noshocks
04-03-2005, 04:04 PM
I picked up my new 545i last week and love it. One question however - how do you know what version of the nav system you have? My friend owns an M5 that is two years old and his nav sys looks very similar but seems to have a few nice updates. He said it might be possible to have my system loaded with the latest version. Is this true?

Ågent99
04-04-2005, 09:17 AM
Congrats on the 545i...I just did a ED of one at the end of March. BMW will most likely continue to adjust the s/w in our cars so odds are quite good that "updates" will be available in the future.

Since yours is a new car, you probably have the latest s/w.

Robert A
04-04-2005, 11:40 AM
I wonder how the nav compares with some of the aftermarket products from Garmin, TomTom and Magellan. I have the Garmin iQue 3600, which of course isn't integrated into the dash. But with it, I can put my finger directly on the display and "drag" the map forward or zoom in on a distant location. Great feature. The newer systems even offer a 3D birds-eye view.

inspecta83
04-17-2005, 08:05 PM
i was curious if anyone knew if a NAV system can be installed after the car is purchased? i bought a 2004 525i but it was a demo model and did not come w/ the NAV feature. thanks.

Tokyo
06-02-2005, 02:12 PM
Hi everyone. I live in Tokyo and I am a proud owner of 545i.
From the sounds of it, there is no after market NAV installer in North
America for E60. That's pitty cuz here in Japan, where we are crazy
about latest gadgets, we are blessed with shops which can install all
sorts of toys for E60 including Nav system without interfering with the
integrity of the original i-drive screen. :thumbup:

Check this out!
http://www.a-tack.net/2004-demo/images-e60-big-sam/06200021.jpg

Ågent99
06-02-2005, 03:05 PM
Hi everyone. I live in Tokyo and I am a proud owner of 545i.
From the sounds of it, there is no after market NAV installer in North
America for E60. That's pitty cuz here in Japan, where we are crazy
about latest gadgets, we are blessed with shops which can install all
sorts of toys for E60 including Nav system without interfering with the
integrity of the original i-drive screen. :thumbup:

Check this out!
http://www.a-tack.net/2004-demo/images-e60-big-sam/06200021.jpg
Holy Crap!! :wow: Is that real?? :dunno:

yamilrx
06-02-2005, 07:59 PM
I am trying to decide whether to include navigation in a 525 and am surprised that I haven't been able to find information on this issue. There seem to be a few references but nothing definitive about the i-drive navigation.

This will be my first BMW and I'm therefore pretty unfamiliar with how the system works and how well it does so.

Can anyone offer advice? How well does it work? How easy/difficult is it to use? Is it worth it (its a relatively expensive option - $1,800).

Thanks in advance for any feedback.


I did European Delivery back 3/05 and got the Nav. mainly for the trip and also because its another gadget that I had to have. In Europe I did not get lost once in the 7days and we drove 904miles from Munich, to Lake Como Italy, to Nice France. I just got the disk for the US today and I plan to use it tomorrow on a roadtrip. I find it faily simple to use including the I-drive. I don't see why all the critics hammered on the I-drive, it is like using a mouse. i rather click and move than have to lean forward and touch a screen like the other systems. I give the system an A+

Tokyo
06-02-2005, 10:32 PM
Yes it is real and it is not fake.
I was called a liar on another bulletin board for silly reasons such as why steering wheel in the picutre I posted is fitted on the left hand side while cars in Japan are driven on the left hand side etc..etc...(It is because our government allows imported cars to have steering wheels to be fitted on either side) but anyway, my honest intention is to share information with other BMW enthusiasts of the world and never meant to deceive anyone. The work was done by after market BMW specialis in Yokohama called A-Tack Co. and here is their site: http://www.a-tack.net/index2.htm for those of you who can download Japanese pages. They decided to fit second LCD screen because the original i-drive screen's resolution is too low (400 x 240 pixels with only 256 colors) to play DVD or watch TVs.
Hope you folks believe me. Sayonara!

PS Sorry for my poor English language skill (I am trying my best!)

BillP
06-03-2005, 09:53 AM
Yes it is real and it is not fake.
I was called a liar on another bulletin board for silly reasons such as why steering wheel in the picutre I posted is fitted on the left hand side while cars in Japan are driven on the left hand side etc..etc...(It is because our government allows imported cars to have steering wheels to be fitted on either side) but anyway, my honest intention is to share information with other BMW enthusiasts of the world and never meant to deceive anyone. The work was done by after market BMW specialis in Yokohama called A-Tack Co. and here is their site: http://www.a-tack.net/index2.htm for those of you who can download Japanese pages. They decided to fit second LCD screen because the original i-drive screen's resolution is too low (400 x 240 pixels with only 256 colors) to play DVD or watch TVs.
Hope you folks believe me. Sayonara!

PS Sorry for my poor English language skill (I am trying my best!)

Agent99, how about JD next time (Japan Delivery)?

Tokyo, you speak English better than most of my fellow Americans. :( America-jin wa baka desu!


Bill

Ågent99
06-03-2005, 10:13 AM
Agent99, how about JD next time (Japan Delivery)?

Bill
I'll do it just to learn how they did what they did to the car...maybe even bring a tech over and start a business here! I think it would go over very, very well!

That is some seriously sweet work...pricey I bet, too! :thumbup:

grease
06-03-2005, 08:07 PM
I am trying to decide whether to include navigation in a 525 and am surprised that I haven't been able to find information on this issue. There seem to be a few references but nothing definitive about the i-drive navigation.

This will be my first BMW and I'm therefore pretty unfamiliar with how the system works and how well it does so.

Can anyone offer advice? How well does it work? How easy/difficult is it to use? Is it worth it (its a relatively expensive option - $1,800).

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Don't have any experience with other mfgrs nav systems. But we picked up our '06 530i in Munich on 5/2 and put 1724 miles on the car in 2.5 weeks driving through Germany, Netherlands, and Belgium. The BMW nav system was great!! It was easy to program and was helpful finding hotels, restaurants, and gas stations. Since my wife can't figure which end of a roadmap is up this was priceless in controlling the stress level in the car. Cheers!

TL2E90
06-04-2005, 10:26 PM
While navi on Acura TL is one of the best I did not like the screen resolution, when you zoom in it really sucks (former 2005 Acura TL owner).

kd2789mo
06-04-2005, 10:33 PM
I've owned and used several.
BMW's is above average. 2nd generation iDrive is much improved over 1st.
Infiniti's was the worst.
Best I owned was the Lexus touch-screen system.

dbansal
06-06-2005, 01:00 PM
I have an 06 530 with the nav and i must say its quite impressive. Its quite quick, and deals with route changes almost instantaneously, its really cool. However, i must say using the voice command option with the NAV gets annoying and it is better to use the i-drive dial. Obviously it takes longer then touch screen but it gets the job done.

I hope this helped!