Preliminary E90 Ordering Info [Archive] - bimmerfest

SARAFIL

01-11-2005, 05:48 PM

Well folks, leave it to Sarafil to give you the early scoop on product availability.

BMW has not officially released any ordering guides or ordering info, but I have come across the following info that might be helpful and interesting to those interested in the E90.

Colors:
A22 Sparkling Graphite Metallic
A34 Arctic Metallic
A35 Monaco Blue Metallic
300 Alpine White
354 Titanium Silver
438 Electric Red
475 Black Sapphire
668 Jet Black

Interiors:
KAB4 Beige Leatherette
KASW Black Leatherette
LCAD Grey Leather
LCB4 Beige Leather
LCB8 Terra Leather
LCSW Black Leather

Packages:
ZSP Sport Package
ZCW Cold Weather Package
ZPP Premium Package

Options:
205 Automatic
217 Active Steering
417 Rear Electric Sunshade
459 Power Front Seats (std. 330)
465 Fold Down Rear Seat
494 Heated Front Seats
4AC Wood Trim
4AD Aluminum Trim
507 PDC
522 Xenons (std. 330)
541 Active Cruise Control (330 only)
609 Navi
639 BMW Assist
655 Satellite Radio
677 Premium Sound (std. 330)
693 Satellite Radio Prep

Options subject to change, and all options might not be available at launch.

Stay tuned for more info... I'll bring it to you as I receive it.

vehigal

01-11-2005, 05:54 PM

Hmmm... Hopefully, a sunroof will remain an option.
Thanks for the info.

SARAFIL

01-11-2005, 06:00 PM

Hmmm... Hopefully, a sunroof will remain an option.
Thanks for the info.

Looks like it is standard-- it doesn't show as an option anywhere.

Arkady

01-11-2005, 06:03 PM

Is the ZHP package being discontinued?

SARAFIL

01-11-2005, 06:09 PM

Is the ZHP package being discontinued?

THe ZHP package was for the most part an effort by BMW to stir up some more interest in the 330 in the last few years of production. BMW has no need for such a package at the launch of the E90. They'll probably do something similar in 3-4 years, though.

BlackChrome

01-11-2005, 06:24 PM

459 Power Front Seats (std. 330)

Xenon is standard on a 3-series (330i)? Get out of town! :p

SARAFIL

01-11-2005, 06:25 PM

Xenon is standard on a 3-series (330i)? Get out of town! :p

Looks like it is standard on 330, but not 325.

tashi

01-11-2005, 06:58 PM

Is the Onboard Computer now standard on 325i?

KobeCow

01-11-2005, 07:03 PM

are these standard?

ObD

01-11-2005, 07:06 PM

522 Xenons (std. 330)

:)

Thanks for the info.

I assume the premium sound isn't Logic 7. :rofl:

LMC

01-11-2005, 08:44 PM

LCAD Grey Leather
LCB4 Beige Leather
LCB8 Terra Leather
LCSW Black Leather

LCB8 Terracotta leather, is it not?

LMC

01-11-2005, 09:37 PM

Per the Euro E90 price list, the 4AC wood trim = Natural poplar (Pappel Maser natur.) The Euro list also has burl walnut listed (4AB) but apparently that won't be available in the US, at least initially.

Also, the "417 rear sunshade" is the mechanical screens on the side windows. The power rear shade is 415 -- maybe that will continue as a priority one option. :dunno:

chaslee

01-12-2005, 04:40 AM

Does anyone know what features will be in the Sports Package? Will it have an Aerodynamic package? Thanks.

Charles

LarryN

01-12-2005, 05:24 AM

Thanks Sarafil! Now to see what Terra Leather will look like in an E90, I may consider it, if it's not quite as orangy as the X3 terracotta. I hope it's closer to natural brown.

Also pleased to see that Xenons are std, and that they didn't decontent the 330 for the launch (prem sound, power seats, etc... are still included). Now, wonder what the price will be, given it adds xenons as std.... :dunno:

Desertnate

01-12-2005, 06:23 AM

The ego at BMW is unstoppable.

I gues that happens when you make more profits than GM, Ford, Renault and Nissan combined. :(

I noticed the color list is pretty limited...No Mystic or Topaz blue, nor any of the grays that are currently available. :confused:

kyfdx

01-12-2005, 06:33 AM

What color is Arctic Metallic?

vehigal

01-12-2005, 07:29 AM

What color is Arctic Metallic?

That would be the light blue featured in the promo pics.
Check out the configurator on bmw UK's website.

SARAFIL

01-12-2005, 11:13 AM

LCB8 Terracotta leather, is it not?

It just says Terra--- I don't know if it is more brown like Natural Brown, or more orangey like Terracotta.

SARAFIL

01-12-2005, 11:15 AM

Also, the "417 rear sunshade" is the mechanical screens on the side windows. The power rear shade is 415 -- maybe that will continue as a priority one option. :dunno:

Don't take this as definate, but in the past, when you ordered the rear side sunshades, the power rear sunshade was included as a bundled item. In other words, ordering 417 automatically includes 415. It remains to be seen what this will get you on the E90, though.

RichReg

01-12-2005, 01:54 PM

OH MY GOD!
What has happened to Silver Grey???????

WAAAAHHHHH!!! I want Silver Grey!!!!!

vehigal

01-12-2005, 02:21 PM

but doesn't Canada get different configurations than in the US??

that's right, e46 330 has the sunroof std. while e46 325 does not.

if bmw were serious about keeping the car as light and as stiff as possible, it would let owners decide whether to get the sunroof or not.

CoasterLonghorn

01-12-2005, 03:41 PM

The sunroof is only standard on 2005 models, I believe.

SARAFIL

01-12-2005, 03:48 PM

The sunroof is only standard on 2005 models, I believe.

Once again, it says nothing about a sunroof as a stand alone option or as part of the premium package. That means one of two things: the sunroof is standard, or it is not available. I'll leave it up to you to decide which one is more likely.

Artslinger

01-13-2005, 06:04 AM

:stupid:

It's also just another thing to fail, or leak, or whatever. It's one more thing to weight the car down, and make it more top-heavy. It's one more thing to jack up the price of the car.

Again, it's a BMW ego thing. They figure that people will keep flocking to dealerships to buy the 3 series, and be willing to pay any price for them. No matter how much less a better-equipped competitor's model costs.

I agree it is a possible maintenance nightmare and a big profit maker for BMW, my guess is BMW made the moonroof standard because 95% of the US buyers want a moonroof.

kyfdx

01-13-2005, 06:47 AM

I agree it is a possible maintenance nightmare and a big profit maker for BMW, my guess is BMW made the moonroof standard because 95% of the US buyers want a moonroof.

My guess is it is more like 99%.

Even here on Bimmerfest, I bet the percentage of sunroof cars is about 98%.

Artslinger

01-13-2005, 06:49 AM

My guess is it is more like 99%.

Even here on Bimmerfest, I bet the percentage of sunroof cars is about 98%.

99.9% :D

325SMG

01-13-2005, 06:56 AM

99.9% :D

No sunroof on my ED E46. Couldn't be bothered to spend $1000 to look up when all I want to do is look at the road ahead. I don't imagine getting 999 replies saying that they do have the roof.

fundman

01-13-2005, 07:26 AM

I don't see I-Drive listed as an option (unless that's what "PDC" is). I wonder if this means it and the resulting second hump will be standard, contrary to the press release, or whether it falls in the "subject to change" category. Also, does anyone know what "Monaco Blue" is?

johnf

01-13-2005, 07:35 AM

Mr. The Edge

01-13-2005, 07:52 AM

I don't see I-Drive listed as an option (unless that's what "PDC" is).
hmm..good point :eek:

(PDC= Park Distance Control)

it could be that for the first few months of allocations, iDrive would either be required, or not yet available

LarryN

01-13-2005, 07:55 AM

hmm..good point :eek:

(PDC= Park Distance Control)

it could be that for the first few months of allocations, iDrive would either be required, or not yet available

iDrive comes with Nav, they are not orderable seperately. With Nav, you get the double hump dash, and iDrive. If you don't get Nav, you get a one humper, and no iDrive.

Mr. The Edge

01-13-2005, 07:55 AM

iDrive comes with Nav, they are not orderable seperately. With Nav, you get the double hump dash, and iDrive. If you don't get Nav, you get a one humper, and no iDrive.
ah yes...

:bow:

LarryN

01-13-2005, 07:57 AM

Judging by the E90 sales brochure in front of me, Arktis (A34) is a neutral silver-grey between the old Arktissilber and Arktisgrau. Terra (LCB8) is a pure, earthy brown with perhaps a touch of redness to it (but that could be the brochure's color (im)balance.

-John

John, thanks for the info! Is it possible to post a scan or picture of this brochure you have? I'm really interested in seeing what the terra color looks like. It sounds great from your description though. :thumbup:

Alstoy

01-13-2005, 08:05 AM

Judging by the E90 sales brochure in front of me, Arktis (A34) is a neutral silver-grey between the old Arktissilber and Arktisgrau. Terra (LCB8) is a pure, earthy brown with perhaps a touch of redness to it (but that could be the brochure's color (im)balance.

-John

Sounds like a good vintage :) . I had my heart set on the very dark blue, almost black. Saw it on a 745 the other day. Is the Monaco blue like that? They used to call it midnight blue. Why can't they just name these colours something that we can understand :) .

johnf

01-13-2005, 08:05 AM

John, thanks for the info! Is it possible to post a scan or picture of this brochure you have? I'm really interested in seeing what the terra color looks like. It sounds great from your description though. :thumbup:I guess it is time to fire up the scanner!

johnf

01-13-2005, 08:08 AM

Sounds like a good vintage :) . I had my heart set on the very dark blue, almost black. Saw it on a 745 the other day. Is the Monaco blue like that? They used to call it midnight blue. Why can't they just name these colours something that we can understand :) .Yes and sometimes BMW NA does. For example, electric red (438) is called Japanrot in Germany

johnf

01-13-2005, 08:14 AM

From the German E90 sales brochure:
sunroof and Xenon HIDs are optional on all models

a smart key and push to start are standard

HiFi System Professional is LOGIC7

You get i-drive with the nav system

Active cruise control is an option on both the 325i and 330i

Cloth seat choices are anthracite (ALAT), grey (ALAD), and beige (ALB4); cloth/leather seat choices are anthracite (FFAT), blue (FFB5, almost black) and quartz grey (FFB6)

You can order a lemon leather interior (LCB7)

A second blue outside color is ultra-marine blue (A42) which is much lighter than Monaco blue. Ultra-marine blue looks to me like a steel blue with extra blue (and is my favorite of all the first year colors). There is also a deep green (A43), Barrique red (A41, a brownish red), and Sonara (A23, a darkly sun tanned gold) All these are metallic colors.

Time to start thinking about special orders!

tron1043

01-13-2005, 10:18 AM

Artslinger

01-13-2005, 10:21 AM

No sunroof on my ED E46. Couldn't be bothered to spend $1000 to look up when all I want to do is look at the road ahead. I don't imagine getting 999 replies saying that they do have the roof.

It was sarcasm.

xspeedy

01-13-2005, 10:33 AM

Thanks Philip!

I'd like to see A22 in person.

No idea of what the packages include?

johnf

01-13-2005, 11:01 AM

Do you have access to this brochure in .PDF? ... If you do not have any e-copy of the brochure, would you be willing to elaborate on what options come included with the premium package & sport package on the 325i?I have just a German hardcopy brochure which does not list the option packages. I believe I would need the E90 price list for that, and most likely the U.S. price list that reflects BMW NA's decisions for the U.S.

What I can tell you are the options and standard equipment you may have heard will be available on the 330i that can also be ordered on a 325i, at least in Germany. Quickly checking the option tables suggests that would be all of them. How to convince BMW NA to allow some of them in a special order, I leave as an exercise for the reader.

CoasterLonghorn

01-13-2005, 01:20 PM

So the Smart Key (ex. walk up to car and it unlocks) is standard?! Awesome.

SARAFIL

01-13-2005, 03:47 PM

Hmmmm...

LarryN

01-13-2005, 04:23 PM

Hmmmm...

Sports package has "unlimited top speed". Would this make it the fastest car in the world? :D

SARAFIL

01-13-2005, 04:27 PM

Sports package has "unlimited top speed". Would this make it the fastest car in the world? :D

he he he...

Actually, the X5 4.4 with Sport Package and 19" wheels also comes with "unlimited top speed", meaning the car will go until it runs out of steam without a computerized limiter. I'd love to see how fast one will go, but I doubt it'll pass the 140-150 range.

LarryN

01-13-2005, 04:28 PM

Fil, is that all the options you show for launch?? or are you telling us that it's now in Centernet? Nice tease, btw! :)

SARAFIL

01-13-2005, 04:33 PM

Fil, is that all the options you show for launch?? or are you telling us that it's now in Centernet? Nice tease, btw! :)

The first post shows all the options that I can see at this time for March production. "Official" ordering guides are supposed to be out in a few days.

That car above is the one that I just built for giggles... ;)

LarryN

01-13-2005, 04:43 PM

The first post shows all the options that I can see at this time for March production. "Official" ordering guides are supposed to be out in a few days.

That car above is the one that I just built for giggles... ;)

Yeah!! Ordering guide means I can finalize options! This is getting exciting!

Now.. if johnf would kindly scan and post those terra leather pics! :)

tron1043

01-13-2005, 04:46 PM

Hmmmm...

First thank you for posting that! Could you please inform us, if you are aware, is leather, Xenon standard on the 330i!?! Also, are there any other features now standard on the 330i that would be worth noting?

SARAFIL

01-13-2005, 05:17 PM

First thank you for posting that! Could you please inform us, if you are aware, is leather, Xenon standard on the 330i!?! Also, are there any other features now standard on the 330i that would be worth noting?

Didn't look like leather was standard on the 330, but xenons are.

Interesting to note that it appears that leather is part of the Premium Package on both the 330 and now the 325. I built a 325 with ZPP and leather, and when I tried to select leatherette in place of leather, it gave me a warning that it was going to drop ZPP.
:dunno:

Matthew330Ci

01-13-2005, 06:55 PM

they'll probably add more color choices later on.

i hate sunroofs but it look like they're standard now...

psychrunner

01-13-2005, 09:43 PM

Will the e90 include signal lights on mirrors as MB?

LMC

01-13-2005, 09:50 PM

330i sport pkg includes 2AB wheels, which means style 162 ellipsoid styling with 225/40R-18 front and 255/35R-18 rear tires (per E90 German price list)

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 05:57 AM

330i sport pkg includes 2AB wheels, which means style 162 ellipsoid styling with 225/40R-18 front and 255/35R-18 rear tires (per E90 German price list)

Ok, so here's the scoop-- official "preliminary" ordering guides are now available. They're not complete (the real ones are coming to us in the mail in a few weeks), but this one is pretty good (14 pages).

I'm still reading through it, but thought I'd share a few interesting features with you:
-moonroof IS standard
-dark wood trim is standard, light wood or aluminum available as no cost option
-looks like 325i and 330i Sport Packages both include staggered wheel/tire sizes and 155mph top speed
-comfort access will be an option, delayed until September production
-key fob with start button will be standard
-in dash CD is MP3 compatible with ID3 title/artist compatibilty
-the premium sound system is Logic7
-a few extra exterior colors that will see delayed availability: Sonora, Ultramarine Blue, Barrique Red, Deep Green.

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 06:15 AM

Oh, and get this:

It says that the 325i comes with a 3.0L engine. Is it a typo, or are all those rumors correct?

Artslinger

01-14-2005, 06:25 AM

SARAFIL:

-standard moonroof... this sucks but you almost need one in the US for good resale value.

-looks like 325i and 330i Sport Packages both include staggered wheel/tire sizes and 155mph top speed... 325i staggered. :thumbup:

-comfort access will be an option, delayed until September production... what is this option?

-key fob with start button will be standard... how does this work on a manual car, does the gear need to be in neutral?

-the premium sound system is Logic7... isn't Logic7 stanadard on the current 7 and 6 Series BMW? I'm looking foward to listening to a Logic7 equipped E90, BTW Lexicon maker of Logic7, is a Harman Kardon International company.

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 06:43 AM

SARAFIL:

-standard moonroof... this sucks but you almost need one in the US for good resale value.

It really is!

-looks like 325i and 330i Sport Packages both include staggered wheel/tire sizes and 155mph top speed... 325i staggered. :thumbup:

No complaints from me, either.

-comfort access will be an option, delayed until September production... what is this option?

Like Keyless-Go in a Mercedes-- if you have the key on your person (pocket, breifcase, etc.), when you approach the car, you can unlock it by pressing on the door handle, and then get in the car. You can then start the car without having to put the key fob in its slot. Once you get out of the car, you can also lock the car by pressing the door handle, without having to use the key.

-key fob with start button will be standard... how does this work on a manual car, does the gear need to be in neutral?

On a manual, you need to press the clutch and the brake. The car can be in gear.

-the premium sound system is Logic7... isn't Logic7 stanadard on the current 7 and 6 Series BMW? I'm looking foward to listening to a Logic7 equipped E90, BTW Lexicon maker of Logic7, is a Harman Kardon International company.

Logic7 is the premium sound system available with the Premium Sound Package in the 5, 6, and 7 series. It's a nice system.

CabrioItalia

01-14-2005, 07:17 AM

Sarafil, thanks for your post.
Anything new about SMG? Delayed to September too?
Thanks.

tron1043

01-14-2005, 07:19 AM

Ok, so here's the scoop-- official "preliminary" ordering guides are now available. They're not complete (the real ones are coming to us in the mail in a few weeks), but this one is pretty good (14 pages).

I'm still reading through it, but thought I'd share a few interesting features with you:
-moonroof IS standard
-dark wood trim is standard, light wood or aluminum available as no cost option
-looks like 325i and 330i Sport Packages both include staggered wheel/tire sizes and 155mph top speed
-comfort access will be an option, delayed until September production
-key fob with start button will be standard
-in dash CD is MP3 compatible with ID3 title/artist compatibilty
-the premium sound system is Logic7
-a few extra exterior colors that will see delayed availability: Sonora, Ultramarine Blue, Barrique Red, Deep Green.

If you could please,

Is leather part of the stand-alone options, in addition to being part of the premium packages?

From what I have seen, which isn't very much, is wood trim a stand-alone option, more specifically could you order the premium package without getting wood trim (or the other no-cost options you mentioned)?

Are power-seats standard, if not, are they a stand-alone option and/or connected to any packages?

Are their any options that are part of the premium package or sport package that can only be attained by ordering the package (ala, the 'premium interior lighting package' part of the 5 series premium package, or the way I like to call it 'have your interior look unfinished without so you need to shell out the money for really useful things like a personal concierge and the highest quality trunk nets available on earth ;)

Lastly, this is a bit of minutia, but gets you the 'split-sliding armrest' and the regualr armrest?

Thank you in advance, also, jealousy aside, congratulations on the scoop, been scouring the boards and hassling my dealer for a couple months now to get this kind of info, again, congratualations and thank you for sharing.

If you could, would you have any problem scanning the brochure and posing it (that is of course unless you have a .PDF of it)?

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 07:27 AM

Sarafil, thanks for your post.
Anything new about SMG? Delayed to September too?
Thanks.

330 only, delayed until September.

xspeedy

01-14-2005, 08:08 AM

Awesome information for the e90! Thanks so much!!!

Is it possible to see if Active Steering is going to be bundled with the Sport Package?

Blax

01-14-2005, 08:14 AM

DaveH

01-14-2005, 08:26 AM

Oh, and get this:

It says that the 325i comes with a 3.0L engine. Is it a typo, or are all those rumors correct?

Sarafil:

In case you didn't see this introduction from the Auto Show:
Yes, two new 3.0L engines. Look at the torque range, baby!

Innovation at its best: BMW's new six-cylinder engines.

BMW is also presenting a new family of engines that set new standards in every respect. The new inline-six gasoline engines with more power, greater fuel economy and lower weight than their predecessors are the lightest six-cylinders in their segment.

Apart from fully variable VALVETRONIC valve drive in place of a conventional throttle, there are numerous other advancements which include the composite magnesium/aluminum crankcase, lightweight camshafts, the electric water pump, the fully controlled oil pump, single-belt drive and the magnesium cylinder head cover.

In order to offer improved performance while at the same time improving fuel efficiency and meeting ever more challenging emissions requirements, two 3.0-liter engines will be offered. In the U.S., the 525i and 525xi will offer a 3.0-liter engine which produces 215 hp (SAE net) and 185 lb-ft of torque at 2,750 rpm. Responsiveness in everyday driving situations is outstanding. Nearly 85 percent of peak torque is available from 1000 rpm all the way to 7000. The 530i and 530xi models will feature a 3.0-liter engine which produces 255 hp (SAE net) and 220 lb-ft of torque. Peak torque is available between 2750 and 4000 rpm. Here fully 90 percent of peak torque is available between 1500 and 6700 rpm.

The new generation of engines offers the customer higher output and more torque over a broader useful speed range on even less fuel than before. On average, fuel consumption is lower by approximately 7 per cent versus the previous models. :sabrina:

LarryN

01-14-2005, 08:52 AM

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 09:27 AM

Awesome information for the e90! Thanks so much!!!

Is it possible to see if Active Steering is going to be bundled with the Sport Package?

No, it is a stand alone option.

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 09:29 AM

This leads me to believe that Logic7 is included on the 330? That doesnt sound right. I certainly hope it's true, but doesn't sound right.

I thought the complete set of Logic7 controls requires iDrive and the NAV screen. Maybe there is upgrade to the "Premium Sound" to Logic7 ?? :dunno:

Nope-- there is no requirement to have Nav/iDrive to get Premium Sound, and there is only one Premium Sound system available.

LarryN

01-14-2005, 10:13 AM

Nope-- there is no requirement to have Nav/iDrive to get Premium Sound, and there is only one Premium Sound system available.

Wow.. Logic7 standard.. That's pretty damn cool. With all of these things being listed as standard, I wonder what the price is going to look like. It may be BMW's way of adding content that they make a good bit of money on, and raising the sticker more, to offset the Euro vs. Dollar hit.

..and thanks very much for the info, Sarafil!! :thumbup:

johnf

01-14-2005, 10:31 AM

The engine in the German market 325i will have a displacement of 2497 cc and should be available in the first quarter of 2005. The 325i's performance figures including its maximum speed have not yet been set. The German-market 330i will be electronically limited to 250 km/h (155 mph) with no mention in the E90 sales flyer of an option to remove that.

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 10:50 AM

Wow.. Logic7 standard.. That's pretty damn cool. With all of these things being listed as standard, I wonder what the price is going to look like. It may be BMW's way of adding content that they make a good bit of money on, and raising the sticker more, to offset the Euro vs. Dollar hit.

..and thanks very much for the info, Sarafil!! :thumbup:

We'll see...

I hope that the base price isn't changed much, but time will tell.

On a side note, what do you guys think about Sparkling Graphite with Beige leather? :angel:

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 10:56 AM

If you could please,

Is leather part of the stand-alone options, in addition to being part of the premium packages?

From what I have seen, which isn't very much, is wood trim a stand-alone option, more specifically could you order the premium package without getting wood trim (or the other no-cost options you mentioned)?

Are power-seats standard, if not, are they a stand-alone option and/or connected to any packages?

Are their any options that are part of the premium package or sport package that can only be attained by ordering the package

Lastly, this is a bit of minutia, but gets you the 'split-sliding armrest' and the regualr armrest?

Leather is a stand-alone option or part of the premium package for both the 325i and 330i. Both come standard with leatherette.

Power seats are optional on the 325i, standard on the 330i.

Dark wood trim is standard on the 325i and 330i. There is a no cost option for light wood or aluminum trim.

Sport package includes bigger wheels/tires, 155mph top speed, sport suspension, sport seats, and sport steering wheel.

Premium Package gives you leather, power seats (325), lumbar support, auto dimming mirrors, compass rear view mirror, garage door opener, and BMW Assist.

I don't know anything about the armrest.

If you could, would you have any problem scanning the brochure and posing it (that is of course unless you have a .PDF of it)?

It says right on it "Confidential information for use by authorized BMW centers", so I won't be posting it. Sorry.

johnf

01-14-2005, 10:56 AM

On a side note, what do you guys think about Sparkling Graphite with Beige leather? :angel::eek:

Mr. The Edge

01-14-2005, 10:57 AM

it sure would be nice if I could get a CPO E90 325iT in 2007

:cry: :cry:

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 10:59 AM

:eek:

Well, it's not for me! Someone saw the color palette this morning and asked me what I thought it would look like. I had no clue, so I figured I'd ask someone else. This person loves Sparkling Graphite, but doesn't want a Black interior (has one now, too dark) and hates the grey interior (had one, didn't like it at all).

How about Sparkling Graphite with Terra leather?

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 11:00 AM

it sure would be nice if I could get a CPO E90 325iT in 2007

:cry: :cry:

Not going to happen-- 325xit or nothing.

Sorry.

Mr. The Edge

01-14-2005, 11:03 AM

anyone know offhand--how much heavier is the E46 xit vs the it?

Mr. The Edge

01-14-2005, 11:06 AM

3594 vs 3362 :yikes:

:(

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 11:07 AM

3362 vs 3594 :yikes:

:(

Whats ~230lbs. between friends? :rofl:

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 11:10 AM

Whats ~230lbs. between friends? :rofl:

Oh-- and at least it'll have a much better AWD system.

numbersguy

01-14-2005, 11:10 AM

How about Sparkling Graphite with Terra leather?

I think I will order that exact color combo next fall. With aluminum interior trim.

Mr. The Edge

01-14-2005, 11:10 AM

Oh-- and at least it'll have a much better AWD system.

big f'n deal :thumbdwn:

:D

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 11:13 AM

big f'n deal :thumbdwn:

:D

It makes a difference if you live somewhere that actually gets a bit of snow! ;)

Rob325_in_AZ

01-14-2005, 11:29 AM

big f'n deal :thumbdwn:

:D

Exactly! Why do I have to get 4wd? :mad:

Also I had heard speculation on whether or not the touring would be available with a manual transmission. Any news on that?

johnf

01-14-2005, 11:30 AM

Well, it's not for me! Someone saw the color palette this morning and asked me what I thought it would look like. I had no clue, so I figured I'd ask someone else. This person loves Sparkling Graphite, but doesn't want a Black interior (has one now, too dark) and hates the grey interior (had one, didn't like it at all).

How about Sparkling Graphite with Terra leather?I like Sparkling Graphite / Beige better even if my first reaction was eek. I will look at it (graphite/beige) again in a day or two and see if it grows on me. But before I curl the colors next to each other once too often, I better scan the lot.

LarryN

01-14-2005, 12:51 PM

Well, it's not for me! Someone saw the color palette this morning and asked me what I thought it would look like. I had no clue, so I figured I'd ask someone else. This person loves Sparkling Graphite, but doesn't want a Black interior (has one now, too dark) and hates the grey interior (had one, didn't like it at all).

How about Sparkling Graphite with Terra leather?

I've had an e46 with gray, and wasn't fond of it. Also my current e46 has black interior, which is nice but I would like a change. Sparkling Graphite with Terra leather might be the ticket for me. I need to figure out what wood (or aluminum).

Johnf.. where are the scans!! :D Just take a pic of the brochure and post the pic, if it's too much time to scan it, please.

johnf

01-14-2005, 01:02 PM

Attached are scans of the exterior/interior pages from the E90 sales flyer, corrected in Photoshop Elements so that the squares marked "bright white" are white.

An English speaking enthusiast should be able to figure out much of the German. In addition:Außenfarben = exterior colors
Interieurleisten = interior trim
längsschliff = lengthwise brushed
Nussbaum = walnut
Pappel Maser = grained poplar wood
Polsterfarben = upholstery colors
schwarz = black
Stoff = cloth

Mr. The Edge

01-14-2005, 01:16 PM

sparkling and beige should look good

johnf

01-14-2005, 01:22 PM

sparkling and beige should look goodPerhaps even better after I raised the brightness on those scans. Try opening the two attachments in new windows and then sliding one color over the other.

LarryN

01-14-2005, 01:29 PM

Thanks to johnf!! :thumbup: (and Sarafil :) ) I like that terra color, but I don't know if it's a good combo with Sparkling Graphite now...

markl53

01-14-2005, 01:40 PM

Did anyone notice from the scanned picture that it says "Leder Dakota"... does this mean an upgrade from the current Montana that people have complained about? The pictures do look pretty nubby though like Montana.

psychrunner

01-14-2005, 01:52 PM

Any indication of whether e 90 will have turn signal markers on mirrors?
Thanks,
RAR

Mr. The Edge

01-14-2005, 01:54 PM

Any indication of whether e 90 will have turn signal markers on mirrors?
Thanks,
RARthe pics at bmwusa.com don't show turn signals in the mirrors

xspeedy

01-14-2005, 01:58 PM

Thanks to johnf!! :thumbup: (and Sarafil :) ) I like that terra color, but I don't know if it's a good combo with Sparkling Graphite now...

I'm not sure what terra would look good with other than white. Maybe black, but that's it. Grey is a ?.

johnf

01-14-2005, 02:35 PM

the pics at bmwusa.com don't show turn signals in the mirrorsThe pictures don't show much at all. If it weren't for the Internet and the way it quickly spreads information around the globe, I might suppose from that web page that someone was trying to hold back information and slowly release it, month by month, to whip up interest in a future product. :)

The brochure I am looking at doesn't mention turn signals in the mirrors, but does have a picture with a four-piece mirror consisting of the glass, the main black body, a body colored surround, and a suspiciously looking, perhaps lighter colored wedge to the surround between 12 and 3 o'clock.

numbersguy

01-14-2005, 03:52 PM

Perhaps even better after I raised the brightness on those scans. Try opening the two attachments in new windows and then sliding one color over the other.

I tried it with beige and with terra. Beige looks good with sparkilng graphite. With the Terra it's hard to tell. It could be a big hit or a big miss.

I'm looking forward to seeing all this new stuff in the showroom.

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 04:04 PM

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 04:07 PM

I've had an e46 with gray, and wasn't fond of it. Also my current e46 has black interior, which is nice but I would like a change. Sparkling Graphite with Terra leather might be the ticket for me. I need to figure out what wood (or aluminum).

Johnf.. where are the scans!! :D Just take a pic of the brochure and post the pic, if it's too much time to scan it, please.

My mother is in a unique position in that she has had 3 E46s all with different interior colors-- a '99 with tan leather, a '00 with grey leather, and a '02 with black leather. The tan leather was her favorite (she ordered it that way), the grey was a big compromise (we had to pick a car, and the only one in an exterior color she liked had the grey leather), and the third one has black only because she disliked the grey so much and wanted something else that would work with Silver.

LarryN

01-14-2005, 04:32 PM

My mother is in a unique position in that she has had 3 E46s all with different interior colors-- a '99 with tan leather, a '00 with grey leather, and a '02 with black leather. The tan leather was her favorite (she ordered it that way), the grey was a big compromise (we had to pick a car, and the only one in an exterior color she liked had the grey leather), and the third one has black only because she disliked the grey so much and wanted something else that would work with Silver.

I might even think of Arctic/Terra. That appears to be a great combo.. It's tought to tell though. I really wanted sparkling graphite. Maybe it's like Natural Brown. On paper, and comparing swaths, it looked like a$$, but in person, and seeing it in in use.. fantastic color combo.

It might be a gamble I would make (SG/Terra), but I think the Arctic/Terra swaths look like a nice combo, comparing the colors. I'm leary about color representation on BMW literature too. LSB looked fantastic to me on the pre-production press gear. The real thing turned out to be only OK to me, but nothing compared to the original pics released.

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 04:40 PM

I might even think of Arctic/Terra. That appears to be a great combo.. It's tought to tell though. I really wanted sparkling graphite. Maybe it's like Natural Brown. On paper, and comparing swaths, it looked like a$$, but in person, and seeing it in in use.. fantastic color combo.

It might be a gamble I would make (SG/Terra), but I think the Arctic/Terra swaths look like a nice combo, comparing the colors. I'm leary about color representation on BMW literature too. LSB looked fantastic to me on the pre-production press gear. The real thing turned out to be only OK to me, but nothing compared to the original pics released.

A trip to your dealer can probably get you a good look at a car in Sparking Graphite to see if you like it (Norwood had one right up front a few weeks ago when I was up there, and we also have a few here if you need to look at one), but you'll have to take a guess as to what Terra will actually look like. I'm sure they'll send us a color sample eventually like they have done in the past. I'm in no rush, so I can wait to see one. (and I might even order a car in that color combo and wait for it to come in to see it in person ;) )

Mr. The Edge

01-14-2005, 04:51 PM

so terra leather is not the same as terracotta?

SARAFIL

01-14-2005, 05:02 PM

so terra leather is not the same as terracotta?

No.

markl53

01-14-2005, 05:13 PM

so terra leather is not the same as terracotta?
American Heritage Dictionary: :D

Terra: A rough upland or mountainous region of the moon (hmmm -that sample did look like dark rock??)
Terracotta: A brownish orange

olmy

01-14-2005, 08:48 PM

It makes a difference if you live somewhere that actually gets a bit of snow! ;)

Well, we get a bit of snow here in Chicago-land and my 330 with Blizzaks is better in the snow than my old WRX was with all-seasons. Clearly the tires make all the difference and if you have the right ones for the job, the 3er does just fine in the winter in RWD form.

psychrunner

01-14-2005, 09:58 PM

A trip to your dealer can probably get you a good look at a car in Sparking Graphite to see if you like it (Norwood had one right up front a few weeks ago when I was up there, and we also have a few here if you need to look at one), but you'll have to take a guess as to what Terra will actually look like. I'm sure they'll send us a color sample eventually like they have done in the past. I'm in no rush, so I can wait to see one. (and I might even order a car in that color combo and wait for it to come in to see it in person ;) )

I noticed that the bmw uk site again has the "build your bmw" function up again for the e90. Allows viewing of certain combinations and colors.

Matthew330Ci

01-14-2005, 09:58 PM

Wow.. Logic7 standard.. That's pretty damn cool. With all of these things being listed as standard, I wonder what the price is going to look like. It may be BMW's way of adding content that they make a good bit of money on, and raising the sticker more, to offset the Euro vs. Dollar hit.

..and thanks very much for the info, Sarafil!! :thumbup:

I might have missed it somewhere in the post, but where does it mention that it's going to be a Logic7 system? it just says "premium sound", i mean the current POS HK system is also listed as 'premium sound' on the option charts I believe. not that i think the logic7 would sound that much better...

numbersguy

01-14-2005, 11:28 PM

I noticed that the bmw uk site again has the "build your bmw" function up again for the e90. Allows viewing of certain combinations and colors.

Thanks. I checked it out.

The color I like best is Lemon Dakota, which I guess won't be available on US spec cars. Both the Lemon and the Terra come with black door and dash plastic and black carpet. Beige and gray come with matching door, dash & carpets that look very dated to me.

Lemon is nice but it might be hard to keep clean. Pairing it the the black trim and carpet is very crisp and modern.

johnf

01-15-2005, 12:10 AM

I might have missed it somewhere in the post, but where does it mention that it's going to be a Logic7 system?...My brochure lists all models of the German-market E90 as having a Radio BMW Business CD standard with a Radio BMW Professional (with an AUX-input) as an option. To that, you may add the HiFi System Professional LOGIC7. This may at least suggest what BMW NA has to work with when they decide the equipment on their cars.

johnf

01-15-2005, 12:47 AM

Yikes... that color swatch for Terra doesn't look ANYTHING like the one in our ordering guide. The color in this pic wouldn't work with Sparkling Graphite, IMO.The Terra in my brochure is a neutral brown under a cloudy sky but displays a bit red on my CRT monitor even after calibrating the display with the Mac OSX calibration panel.

I could try photographing the pages with a digital camera and then posting the cropped, unadjusted JPEGs. I have access to a Canon A60, Olympus C3020 and a Panasonic FZ1 if anyone has any suggestions.

Alex Baumann

01-15-2005, 04:18 AM

Terra

Mr. The Edge

01-15-2005, 04:59 AM

I might have missed it somewhere in the post, but where does it mention that it's going to be a Logic7 system? it just says "premium sound", i mean the current POS HK system is also listed as 'premium sound' on the option charts I believe. not that i think the logic7 would sound that much better...

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1035698&postcount=57

LarryN

01-15-2005, 06:33 AM

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1035698&postcount=57

Thanks aty.. I was just putting SARAFIL's two statements together. BTW, Logic7 in the 745i sounds far different than the e46 HK system. It's much more in line with state-of-the-art OEM systems of other marques.

Also, Alex, I'm all over that Terra option. I think it would look great with Sparkling Graphite. The 2-tone door panels really are kind of nice to me, and that's best version of the e90 interior that I've seen (even though it's a single humper version). :D

LarryN

01-15-2005, 06:37 AM

One thing I'm a bit disappointed on is the lack of an external differentiation between sport and non-sport models, other than the wheels. I'm guessing that they are holding off of any sport/aero kits until later on in production. I was kind of hoping there would be one on the sport models, especially since there were spy pics of a factory aero kit being tested on a e90 mule at the Ring.

vehigal

01-15-2005, 07:45 AM

The brochure I am looking at doesn't mention turn signals in the mirrors, but does have a picture with a four-piece mirror consisting of the glass, the main black body, a body colored surround, and a suspiciously looking, perhaps lighter colored wedge to the surround between 12 and 3 o'clock.

Placing the turn signals in the mirrors was probably a temporary measure, seeing that they taped up the front turn signals on the mules. See pic below.

xspeedy

01-15-2005, 07:57 AM

I noticed that the bmw uk site again has the "build your bmw" function up again for the e90. Allows viewing of certain combinations and colors.

How do you get there? I can't seem to find it.

LarryN

01-15-2005, 08:18 AM

How do you get there? I can't seem to find it.

Just select 3 series, then build your own. It has options for starting with the e90's. They are marked by (Avail March).

xspeedy

01-15-2005, 08:39 AM

Just select 3 series, then build your own. It has options for starting with the e90's. They are marked by (Avail March).

Thanks Larry! I assumed it was only for the e46, so I didn't get into it deep enough.

I wonder how we will get the Stlye 162 wheels. These seem to be my fav.

Blax

01-15-2005, 10:48 AM

Thanks Larry! I assumed it was only for the e46, so I didn't get into it deep enough.

I wonder how we will get the Stlye 162 wheels. These seem to be my fav.

Mine too. Wonder if you will be able to upgrade from 161 which seem to be the 325i sport package wheel to the 162.

For those who are wondering about interior colors, here are the leather options from the UK site.

http://home.comcast.net/~tomblaxland/e90interiorcolors.jpg

xspeedy

01-15-2005, 11:07 AM

For those who are wondering about interior colors, here are the leather options from the UK site.

I really wish they did the Beige like they did Lemon and Terra - everything black except the seats and the door inserts. I think the look of the door is cooler in two-tone.

Jim Seattle

01-19-2005, 12:52 PM

Is it for sure US or Canada does not get Lemon? If not that's BS! :mad:

Beige would look good in the "2 tone" config.

LarryN

01-19-2005, 12:58 PM

Is it for sure US or Canada does not get Lemon? If not that's BS! :mad:

Beige would look good in the "2 tone" config.

Really, I'm surprised that they would have a "lemon option" on any car in the US or Canada.

Jim, the 2 tone interior is currently specific to only Natural Brown interiors in the US, on the E46 model. Currently Gray, Black, and Beige get the same treatment as on the E90, as far as not being 2 tone.

Jim Seattle

01-21-2005, 11:22 AM

Really, I'm surprised that they would have a "lemon option" on any car in the US or Canada.

Jim, the 2 tone interior is currently specific to only Natural Brown interiors in the US, on the E46 model. Currently Gray, Black, and Beige get the same treatment as on the E90, as far as not being 2 tone.

I'm in the know on the E46 config. It's been said in this forum that Lemon will only be in Europe and Terra will be brought state side. I was just checking if that was indeed true.

Ilyam5

01-21-2005, 01:12 PM

It says right on it "Confidential information for use by authorized BMW centers", so I won't be posting it. Sorry.[/QUOTE]

http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3890

Jeff_DML

01-24-2005, 06:04 PM

It says right on it "Confidential information for use by authorized BMW centers", so I won't be posting it. Sorry.

http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3890[/QUOTE]

I guess the 325 3.0l is correct since it is this document too? :dunno: sorry for beating a dead horse but still cant believe it since it has that low torque figure.

Jon S.

01-29-2005, 09:30 PM

Oh, and get this:

It says that the 325i comes with a 3.0L engine. Is it a typo, or are all those rumors correct?

The 325 will come with a 3.0L engine.

That is not a typo, and you can take that to the bank!

:)

Jon S.

01-29-2005, 09:36 PM

Some have speculated that the U.S. Product Ordering Guide has a typo....it doesn't. What makes it more confusing is that the rest of the world will get a 2.5-liter in the 325i. Here's the deal: to produce 215 hp SAE on the U.S. E90 325i and meet current and future emissions BMW needed to increase the displacement. That's it. Also, for those that think it can be easily modified and produce the 255hp of the 330i, try again. Unless you visit Mr. Dinan, it will be tough. The intake is different. The 330i has a 3-stage intake and the 325i has a single stage intake. There are also differences in the computer and exhaust. Also, the 325i manual transmission is not rated for 255 hp. The 325i automatic except for the final drive ratio is identical to the 330i, so it could take the power increase...but I would guess that hp hungry consumers would buy a manual. Besides, it would be expensive to do all of the above. Equipment adjusted the 330i will be about $3K more than the 325i. I'd recommend they just buy the 330i.

Where else on the 'net are you going to get this kind of information...?

:thumbup:

numbersguy

01-29-2005, 10:03 PM

Thanks for clearing this up. I can't believe the amount of emotional nonsense I've read about this subject in the past week. Too bad BMW couldn't lower the compression ratio of the detuned motor so it could run on regular, but I'm sure they are faced with constraints that prevent this.

As for speculation about hotrodding this motor with programming and a new intake, it seems that some folks don't realize a drivetrain is only as strong as its weakest link. There's no reason for BMW to make the 325 drivetrain strong enough to handle the much greater torque of the 330 motor.

BMWer

01-30-2005, 02:16 AM

Will the E90 get in-dash cd changer?

johnf

01-30-2005, 03:04 AM

Thanks for clearing this up. I can't believe the amount of emotional nonsense I've read about this subject in the past week....Some of us are enthusiasts, what did you expect? Some more curiosities in NA's sales and marketing materials, ho hum? :)

I am impressed that the EU emissions standards still lag behind enough to require a different engine for the U.S. (Or should that be California?)

RandyB

01-30-2005, 06:43 AM

Is this car really not available without a hole in the roof? If so, they just made my decision a whole lot easier.

I will never own a car with a sunroof/moonroof. Oh well, didn't like the interior anyways... :tsk:

numbersguy

01-30-2005, 07:24 AM

I am impressed that the EU emissions standards still lag behind enough to require a different engine for the U.S. (Or should that be California?)

Isn't EU where the Green movement was born? I always wondered why it is that the California emission standards are so much stricter.

Could it be that the Euros just like to talk the talk?

numbersguy

01-30-2005, 07:29 AM

Is this car really not available without a hole in the roof? If so, they just made my decision a whole lot easier.

I don't like moonroofs either so I ordered my 325i without one, thinking I would keep it for a long time so who cares about resale value. Lately I've been thinking about moving up to an E90 330i in a year or so. Maybe I shoulda got the moonroof!

xspeedy

01-30-2005, 08:17 AM

Will the E90 get in-dash cd changer?

Just single disc. Why would you need a changer anyway? You can rip your CDs to MP3 files and put about a 100 of them on one CD-R. I think changers are obsolete.

LarryN

01-30-2005, 09:10 AM

Just single disc. Why would you need a changer anyway? You can rip your CDs to MP3 files and put about a 100 of them on one CD-R. I think changers are obsolete.

According to the ordering guide, it's called a "center installation six-disc CD/MP3 changer". It also states that "If vehicle is equipped with BMW navigation system, MP3 capabilities only available with a BMW center-installed-six-disc CD changer (accessory)."

Wonder why they call it "center"? I'm kind of bummed about the nav not having MP3 capabilities too.

Seneca

01-30-2005, 11:54 AM

Sure wish they would have kept the alcantara/cloth seats from the ZHP package as at least an option on the new 3 Series. They're much better for fast driving than the slippery leather/leatherette ones.

LarryN

01-30-2005, 11:56 AM

Cliff

01-30-2005, 12:13 PM

andy_thomas

01-30-2005, 01:06 PM

Just single disc. Why would you need a changer anyway? You can rip your CDs to MP3 files and put about a 100 of them on one CD-R. I think changers are obsolete.
Who wants (or has the time) to do that? :dunno:

andy_thomas

01-30-2005, 01:08 PM

Isn't EU where the Green movement was born? I always wondered why it is that the California emission standards are so much stricter.

I would have thought that the reason California needs such special, strict emissions regulations was patently obvious :).

Could it be that the Euros just like to talk the talk?
Possibly. There are also some differences between the ways the EU and the US define and treat "emissions".

SARAFIL

01-30-2005, 01:38 PM

Wonder why they call it "center"? I'm kind of bummed about the nav not having MP3 capabilities too.

"Center" as in your BMW Center, not center as in the center of the vehicle. From what I can tell, the CD changer will still go in the trunk.

ebikinis

01-31-2005, 12:34 AM

Yikes... that color swatch for Terra doesn't look ANYTHING like the one in our ordering guide. The color in this pic wouldn't work with Sparkling Graphite, IMO.
I'd like to ask how Sparkling Graphite with a black interior would look, based upon the info you have.
Too dark?

fundman

01-31-2005, 07:24 AM

According to the ordering guide, it's called a "center installation six-disc CD/MP3 changer". It also states that "If vehicle is equipped with BMW navigation system, MP3 capabilities only available with a BMW center-installed-six-disc CD changer (accessory)."

Wonder why they call it "center"? I'm kind of bummed about the nav not having MP3 capabilities too.

I assume you could still get an aux input (wonder if they will still go in the glove compartment?) and use your ipod. It's a shame though, you'd think that either the fancy Logic7 sound system could read a CD-R or that, at least, they could fit both the Nav DVD and an MP3 player in that fugly center console.

Blax

01-31-2005, 11:58 AM

I assume you could still get an aux input (wonder if they will still go in the glove compartment?) and use your ipod. It's a shame though, you'd think that either the fancy Logic7 sound system could read a CD-R or that, at least, they could fit both the Nav DVD and an MP3 player in that fugly center console.

Auz input is now standard and is under the arm rest between the two front seats. Problem solved.

mattldm

02-14-2005, 02:21 PM

E90Alan

02-14-2005, 03:24 PM

I have purchased two 3-series from Palm Sprngs BMW and been treated fair. Ask for the sales manager Brad.

jpherit

02-21-2005, 08:45 AM

I would have thought that the reason California needs such special, strict emissions regulations was patently obvious :).

Possibly. There are also some differences between the ways the EU and the US define and treat "emissions".My understanding is that there ARE differences between emission standards in EU and California. California must deal with photochemical smog that accumulates under the lid of atmospheric thermal inversions that, I suppose, are not as common in Europe. Consequently, CA emissions are stricter than European on oxides of nitrogen and perhaps on unburned hydrocarbons. The Europeans have stricter controls on Carbon Dioxide emissions.

The only way to reduce CO2 emissions, because it is a natural byproduct of the combustion of hydrocarbons, is to improve engine efficiency, i.e. get better fuel economy (or eliminate carbon from the fuel). The European view of emission is to reduce the greenhouse gasses that contribute to global warming, such as CO2. This is what leads to the proliferation of Diesel engines in Europe. Diesels are, from fundamental thermodynamics, more efficient than the gas engine cycle. The efficiency comes, in major part, from the high compression ratio the Diesel cycle needs. Unfortunately for us in the US, the Diesel high compression ratio makes for more oxides of nitrogen so it is more difficult for a Diesel to meet CA standards than it is for a gas engine.

Please note that I am not an expert on emissions, so I am only interpreting what I have read in the press and what I have learned by talking to friends in Germany.

fidozoom

03-01-2005, 08:18 PM

I see a sport package, a premium package and a cold weather package in the ordering guide? So is there no performance package as there was for the E46? What do I do if I want cloth seats?

And looks like the bigger wheels come included in the sport package ( I guess for the E46 you got to pick them seperately from the sport package though they were included in the performance package.) Does that mean the E90 sport package is the same as the E46 performance package? How much do you guys think the sport package would run up to? THe E46 sport was around 1500$ and performance was around 4000$ so should we expect something between those two for the E90 sport package (given that the wheels come included but things like higher HP and styling don't anymore)?

fidozoom

03-04-2005, 06:41 AM

The SMG in the E90 - is there any official information about it being the same SSG as in the Z4 and the current 330? no improvement at all? I was really hoping they wld update the software atleast and get it to be better than the ones in the Z4 (of which I have heard very bad things!). I see that for SMG we'll have to wait till september 2005 - does that mean they are doing an improved one?

psychrunner

03-04-2005, 08:36 PM

I would like to order the 330 with sport pack in order to get the sport seats and suspension, but not sure I want the 18" wheels due to the reported firmness of ride. Can the sport seats be ordered as a stand alone? I kinda doubt it based on info I have seen.

buddd

03-09-2005, 01:05 PM

Any chance we will see a 330xit?

pmoney

03-10-2005, 12:19 PM

Any chance we will see a 330xit?

Very very slim chance. We may not even get a 325iT. :eek:

scubajag

03-13-2005, 05:21 PM

My BMW dealer claims that he can't get the E-90 cost for at least one month - Has anyone else been able to get the costs.Well folks, leave it to Sarafil to give you the early scoop on product availability.

BMW has not officially released any ordering guides or ordering info, but I have come across the following info that might be helpful and interesting to those interested in the E90.

Colors:
A22 Sparkling Graphite Metallic
A34 Arctic Metallic
A35 Monaco Blue Metallic
300 Alpine White
354 Titanium Silver
438 Electric Red
475 Black Sapphire
668 Jet Black

Interiors:
KAB4 Beige Leatherette
KASW Black Leatherette
LCAD Grey Leather
LCB4 Beige Leather
LCB8 Terra Leather
LCSW Black Leather

Packages:
ZSP Sport Package
ZCW Cold Weather Package
ZPP Premium Package

Options:
205 Automatic
217 Active Steering
417 Rear Electric Sunshade
459 Power Front Seats (std. 330)
465 Fold Down Rear Seat
494 Heated Front Seats
4AC Wood Trim
4AD Aluminum Trim
507 PDC
522 Xenons (std. 330)
541 Active Cruise Control (330 only)
609 Navi
639 BMW Assist
655 Satellite Radio
677 Premium Sound (std. 330)
693 Satellite Radio Prep

Options subject to change, and all options might not be available at launch.

Stay tuned for more info... I'll bring it to you as I receive it.

SARAFIL

03-13-2005, 05:24 PM

My BMW dealer claims that he can't get the E-90 cost for at least one month - Has anyone else been able to get the costs.

Pricing will be released on March 23.

Volk61

03-13-2005, 09:08 PM

Hi, In Australia, the pricing has been released along with the options. I have put a deposit for a 330i silver, with sunroof for a June delivery. AU$108,000. :D

BrettInLJ

03-14-2005, 02:33 PM

Which dealer in So Cal is easy, and trustworthy to deal with when ordering a car. I was Screwed over by BMW of Riverside several years ago, and I dont want to have the same thing happen again. Im in the 909 area of So Cal but dont mind traveling a little bit for a good deal and good service. I am looking to order a e90 330i.
Any suggestions would be great, thanks

Matt

If you don't mind driving a ways, Cunningham BMW in San Diego (actually El Cajon) is legendary for their service and integrity. If they can give me a decent deal I will be buying my next new BMW there, even though I live in L.A. now. My parents bought their first BMW there when I was a little kid.

jason90094

03-14-2005, 07:24 PM

Hi, In Australia, the pricing has been released along with the options. I have put a deposit for a 330i silver, with sunroof for a June delivery. AU$108,000. :D

What is the difference between this years price and last years price in Australia. Thanks

Volk61

03-14-2005, 07:43 PM

What is the difference between this years price and last years price in Australia. Thanks
About $3000

buddd

03-15-2005, 10:28 AM

Very very slim chance. We may not even get a 325iT. :eek:
Very disappointing. BMW continues to treat the wagon as, if not a mommymobile, then certainly a second class citizen. This in contrast to Audi- now the S4 Avant is soon to be joined by an RS4 Avant. With BMW we have to choose between sporting or utility.

sue

03-18-2005, 08:20 AM

Does anyone have invoice price for the 2006 330?

xspeedy

03-18-2005, 08:26 AM

Does anyone have invoice price for the 2006 330?

Have you read the thread yet?

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1117504&postcount=152

mseymour22

04-19-2005, 07:15 PM

I own a 2002 325I with 70,000 miles. I want to get a 2006 330I. I was thinking about leasing one for 15000 miles for 3 years, It sounds like I might be out of luck since I shouldn't put a downpayment down. The trade in for my car is at about $15,000 from kbb.com. My friend just picked up a 2005 330CI for about the same msrp as the 2006 330I, but his lease is only about $400 a month with $2000 down. I know the demand will be higher for the 2006 since the changes made so I can understand a slightly higher lease. I did the math and was thinking I could get the 2006 330I for minimal payments since I had a $15,000 trade in, but it seems that this will not be the case. Any advice would be appreciated, I am hoping to make a move in a the next month or so. Thanks so much.