Just got a NEW 330ci ZHP...how many miles till i can really drive it like a man?

[330ciPfmcePkg05]

Hey NEWBIE here...just got a new 2005 330ci ZHP..cold weather..nav..xenon..harmon kardon.. ive heard every1 say "you have to break 1,000 miles in order to go over 60mph..or really take off...is this all true? when can i go fast...and put the petal to the metal? do i really have to wait for a certain mileage? thanks all...

[Mr. The Edge]

wow, you found one fast

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1039216#post1039216
:dunno:

[BahnBaum]

Hey NEWBIE here...just got a new 2005 330ci ZHP..cold weather..nav..xenon..harmon kardon.. ive heard every1 say "you have to break 1,000 miles in order to go over 60mph..or really take off...is this all true? when can i go fast...and put the petal to the metal? do i really have to wait for a certain mileage? thanks all...

What does the manual say about break in?

Alex

[SONET]

wow, you found one fast:dunno:
Another rooster? :eek:

[BahnBaum]

wow, you found one fast

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1039216#post1039216
:dunno:

Ouch.

Alex

[330ciPfmcePkg05]

i posted that thread just to see if their were any in NAT Brown with those options...my car is orient blue with black interior...i just wanted to see if their was any with NAT BROWN cuz i really like it..and wish i had it..thats all

[330ciPfmcePkg05]

how come when i posted this thread it didnt go to my USER CP page? i dont get it..some of my posts do and some dont?? newbie..

[LDV330i]

Hey NEWBIE here...just got a new 2005 330ci ZHP..cold weather..nav..xenon..harmon kardon.. ive heard every1 say "you have to break 1,000 miles in order to go over 60mph..or really take off...is this all true? when can i go fast...and put the petal to the metal? do i really have to wait for a certain mileage? thanks all... You should not go by rumors. During the break in period, first 1,200 miles, you should not exceed 110 MPH or 4,500 RPMs. This information can be found in the owner's manual.

Be a man and drive your car into the triple digit MPH range so it gets broken in properly. I did. :D :banana: In 6th gear at 110 MPH the motor turns at 3,400 RPMs so you should be safe.

[blueguydotcom]

ah if it's a lease, do as you wish. won't be your problem in the future... :rofl:

[Chris90]

There's a popular theory these days that a more rigorous break-in will give you a more powerful motor. I'm too lazy to find a link for ya, sorry. :)

[Wrong Way]

i posted that thread just to see if their were any in NAT Brown with those options...my car is orient blue with black interior...i just wanted to see if their was any with NAT BROWN cuz i really like it..and wish i had it..thats all
Did you special order your Orient Blue 330Ci ZHP equipped like? It's hard to believe you found it on the lot with navigation.

[yamato]

I just follow the instructions in manual.. because my car is not leased.

[Alex Baumann]

I just follow the instructions in manual.. because my car is not leased.

Hey, I follow the instructions, although my cars are leased. :confused:

[Plaz]

ah if it's a lease, do as you wish. won't be your problem in the future... :rofl:


Bad carma.

[my3rdbimmer]

i am on my 3rd bmw got 300,000 out of the first one and 240,000 out of the second and i have built well over 50 engines in my life time and i subscribe to the break it in fast theory... break it in fast it will be fast.. break it in slow it will be slow.. i know it sounds red neck but if some thing is going to go it will go eventually any way.. give it 400 miles then drive the sh*t out of it.. it heats everything up evenly and seats everything and wears everything more evenly. besides who will know if you break something. It's under warranty and if something does go it would go any way. by the way i did blow up one motor that way but it turned out i over torqued one main bearing. like i said it would have happened any way.. one thing though.. Change your oil at 1500 miles then at 3000 miles then at normal intervals if you break it in fast.

i have also heard the theory of break it in like you are planning on driving it.. if you are going to drive it hard break it in hard.

[BMW Enthusiast]

that is the strangest advice i have heard on this topic thus far. are you sure its not just luck?? i understand different cars have different periods of break in but c'mon this is a known fact that break in period is a major importance in the longevity of a vehicle. it's not as though it is just one of those myths about a cars reliability concerning how a car is broken in, its the truth. i would firmly go against this way of breaking in a car and hope for your cars sake you follow manual.

lol i mean how exactly does driving car harder allow it to perform better? point of break in period is to allow for car to gradually reach level of performance. it is total bologna that if a car is driven harder earlier on that it will continue to perform better in miles to come. ill shut my mouth if somone can provide me with one piece of researched material on this subject matter and how in fact being more aggressive earlier on can do the car good.

[blueguydotcom]

Bad carma.

Sorry not superstitious enough to buy into karma. It's a lease on a car I know I don't want to own - too trouble prone and overpriced. Why would I baby something I know will be gone in 3 years?

Drive it like you stole it... :rofl:

And keep it clean, :angel:

[blueguydotcom]

i have also heard the theory of break it in like you are planning on driving it.. if you are going to drive it hard break it in hard.

My salesguy, an old time BMW fanatic said the same thing.
:dunno: Not sure if he was right but that was his theory. I adhered to it regardless of his blessing.

[SONET]

i have also heard the theory of break it in like you are planning on driving it.. if you are going to drive it hard break it in hard.
While I agree, these cars are a bit more advanced than a home-built 350 in the sense that if something does go wrong during the break-in period, IIRC your friendly BMW dealer can hook your car to a computer and see how you were driving (max RPMs, etc.). While I doubt anything would go wrong, if it does you might be responsible for the fix if you weren't following their break-in guidelines.

Sometimes technology sucks.

--SONET

[BMW Enthusiast]

not to mention why take chance on a vehicle you have come to love so much... i mean what kind of pleasure will you acquire from the extra ten millionth of a second faster your car may be because the engine was broken in harder, if thats even the case.

i'm sorry but i myself dont have the money or patients to experiment with such a concept.

[Fast Bob]

that is the strangest advice i have heard on this topic thus far. are you sure its not just luck?? i understand different cars have different periods of break in but c'mon this is a known fact that break in period is a major importance in the longevity of a vehicle. it's not as though it is just one of those myths about a cars reliability concerning how a car is broken in, its the truth. i would firmly go against this way of breaking in a car and hope for your cars sake you follow manual.

lol i mean how exactly does driving car harder allow it to perform better? point of break in period is to allow for car to gradually reach level of performance. it is total bologna that if a car is driven harder earlier on that it will continue to perform better in miles to come. ill shut my mouth if somone can provide me with one piece of researched material on this subject matter and how in fact being more aggressive earlier on can do the car good.
Directions: Open mouth, Insert foot....(wellll, you asked for it) Here`s one of *many* similar schools of thought:
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
I have built more than a few high-performance engines, and have always adhered to the "hard and fast" (but NOT abusive) break-in method, and all of my engines have been trouble-free and *strong*....oh yeah,....and NO synthetic oil during break-in, thank you....(I bet that last point *really* makes you nervous, huh?)

Regards,
Bob

[WILLIA///M]

http://www.geocities.com/danicapatrickfansite/dp1.jpg

Drive it like a girl.

[BMW Enthusiast]

Welcome to one of the most controversial motorsports pages on the internet !!... great way to start a point

listen Bob, not hear to argue, ill just go put my foot in my mouth

[BMW Enthusiast]

http://www.mototuneusa.com <aka bike site

preferred for 4 strokes works with cars as well it says... continues on with wild world of road racing... homepage is most unprofessional site i have seen in some time as well

i'm going to have to dissagree w/majority of that article

but ill just put my other foot in my mouth and carry on

[johnnygraphic]

I am baffled that a single man has more experience than the entire automotive engineering community in the entire world. I'm sure those crazy bavarians/english/japanese/american etc engineers have some authority when it comes to break in periods for car engines.

However, do what you want, it's your car. Make a decision & go with it!

Johnny

[wag-zhp]

http://www.geocities.com/danicapatrickfansite/dp1.jpg

Drive it like a girl.
Wow, she can drive my car anytime :)

[wag-zhp]

I subscribe to a modified version of the motoman breakin method. Non-synthetic oil for the 1st 1500 miles, and not quite so agressive on the RPMs right at 1st. By 500 miles you aren't going to hurt anything that wasn't defective to begin with and there is no reason to wait any longer than that to start probing the upper RPM limits. If you are really concerned about the dealership saying you abused the car during the breakin period, play it safe and wait until 1200 miles. But if you are really concerned about what the dealership recomends and thinks, please don't ever change the oil before the service level indicator tells you it's due. ;)

[BMW Enthusiast]

I am baffled that a single man has more experience than the entire automotive engineering community in the entire world. I'm sure those crazy bavarians/english/japanese/american etc engineers have some authority when it comes to break in periods for car engines.

However, do what you want, it's your car. Make a decision & go with it!

Johnny


johnny, you said it best in such a short amount of words, thanks for expressing my feelings as well with what took me couple posts and i had still yet to convey properly. best regards :)

[cwsqbm]

I am baffled that a single man has more experience than the entire automotive engineering community in the entire world. I'm sure those crazy bavarians/english/japanese/american etc engineers have some authority when it comes to break in periods for car engines.

With regards to the manufactuers' recommendations, ask yourself this: do they want their cars to last forever? The longer they last, the less frequently they get replaced. My companys makes capital equipment for electronics manufacturing, and have a problem competing again our own 10-15 year old equipment that still runs great.

[BMW Enthusiast]

With regards to the manufactuers' recommendations, ask yourself this: do they want their cars to last forever? The longer they last, the less frequently they get replaced. My companys makes capital equipment for electronics manufacturing, and have a problem competing again our own 10-15 year old equipment that still runs great.

yea, i'm sure they want the reputation that their cars last only 3 years. how about we put it into this perspective. car has long life, person who can afford it doesnt plan to drive it for that long anyways since they want to upgrade. then people who cant afford new bimmer buy the used ones. cars last forever and build reputation of strong car and RELIABLE

[ktc]

yea, i'm sure they want the reputation that their cars last only 3 years. how about we put it into this perspective. car has long life, person who can afford it doesnt plan to drive it for that long anyways since they want to upgrade. then people who cant afford new bimmer buy the used ones. cars last forever and build reputation of strong car and RELIABLE

I like this response, but of course, given how I just took title of my spankin' new '05 tonight, that's what I wanted to hear! :)

It seems like many other car manufacturers are moving towards longer durations between oil changes, although right now I'm only guessing at names like Lexus, Toyota, etc. Do you guys know of perhaps technical advancements that is shifting the entire industry that direction as a whole?

[my3rdbimmer]

i am speaking from experience. not just my own but from the many teachers i have had over the years. i have built engines from heathen 350's to ls1's to japanese cars, buick grand national engines (my specialty) or what ever, they all have their quirks.

i have also had a bunch of new cars. but one constant has been my break in periods and how i do it. christ my 89 hyundai excel just died at 200,000 miles. thaat car was broken in hard really hard.. the day i bought it i drove from la to montana through nevada.. i averaged 90 to 100 mph the whole way.. i never had a problem with that car until reciently.

longevety of an engine or any machine for that matter is more dependant on preventive maintanence than anything.. our cars are designed to be driven and as long as you maintain your car it will last if you don't it won't .

another thing is that the most important part of the break in is already done for you at the factory.. the first 30 minutes of an engine's life is the most important..

there is a reason tha some motors are weaker than others even though they are built to the same specs.. and i suspect that it has to do with the break in they have had..

[johnnygraphic]

With regards to the manufactuers' recommendations, ask yourself this: do they want their cars to last forever? The longer they last, the less frequently they get replaced. My companys makes capital equipment for electronics manufacturing, and have a problem competing again our own 10-15 year old equipment that still runs great.

I don't believe the issue is durability. However, what motoman was talking about was rather the strength of the engine.

What is a key selling point whenever you walk onto a Honda, Toyota, BMW, Merc, Lexus, Acura etc dealership? Is it the strength of the engine or the longevity? We have all heard stories of engines lasting 200k without any major engine work. I sincerely doubt that the manufacturers would encourage a break in procedure that would cause their cars to last a short time. Remember, most of them have a healthy CPO network in place.

johnny

I am not an engineer, but, I play one on these forums!!! :rofl:

[jetstream23]

I don't believe the issue is durability. However, what motoman was talking about was rather the strength of the engine.

What is a key selling point whenever you walk onto a Honda, Toyota, BMW, Merc, Lexus, Acura etc dealership? Is it the strength of the engine or the longevity? We have all heard stories of engines lasting 200k without any major engine work. I sincerely doubt that the manufacturers would encourage a break in procedure that would cause their cars to last a short time. Remember, most of them have a healthy CPO network in place.

johnny

I am not an engineer, but, I play one on these forums!!! :rofl:

Your point on CPO is a good one and I think that's why BMW recommends their 1200 mile break-in process. If they will CPO a car to someone and take the warranty risk with a 30K, 50K, 70K mile car for several more years then BMW must be confident that they are recommending the correct break-in process, right?

[Fast Bob]

Your point on CPO is a good one and I think that's why BMW recommends their 1200 mile break-in process. If they will CPO a car to someone and take the warranty risk with a 30K, 50K, 70K mile car for several more years then BMW must be confident that they are recommending the correct break-in process, right?

Anyone who thinks that BMW engineers write the copy for the owner`s manuals is *extremely* naieve....I`m relatively sure the engineers read the manual and walk away shaking their heads....the manual does`nt do much more than reflect the "company line", which is spelled: M-O-N-E-Y....it`s more about containing the cost of doing business than anything else. These days, manufacturers of most products put very restrictive language into their manuals, because the truth of the matter is, they would prefer that you never used their product AT ALL, or at least until the warranty has expired!
As far as break-in is concerned, any engine that is broken-in on synthetic oil will take *a long time* to break in....if you`ve been following this forum for a while, you will occasionaly see posts to the effect of " WOW!!!My car just loosened up at 10,000 miles"....that`s because it`s JUST NOW breaking -in!!! I`m aware that many of you think that it`s totally nuts to buy a $40K car, and then deliberately violate "what it says in the manual", but I don`t think it`s a coincidence that most of the experienced engine-builders on this forum agree that a fairly agressive break-in procedure is desireable for maximum performance in an engine.....and there`s absolutely no reason why an engine broken-in in such a manner won`t enjoy a nice long life....any problems serious enough to cause an engine to "go terminal" will show up pretty quickly.

Regards,
Bob

[johnnygraphic]

Anyone who thinks that BMW engineers write the copy for the owner`s manuals is *extremely* naieve....I`m relatively sure the engineers read the manual and walk away shaking their heads....the manual does`nt do much more than reflect the "company line", which is spelled: M-O-N-E-Y....it`s more about containing the cost of doing business than anything else. These days, manufacturers of most products put very restrictive language into their manuals, because the truth of the matter is, they would prefer that you never used their product AT ALL, or at least until the warranty has expired!

Regards,
Bob

Yeah, it's all a 'break-in conspiracy' isn't it?

My point was that the manufacturers must have some reasoning behind what they ask the buyer of the car to do. Why wait 1200 miles, 500, 50 miles before driving it like a man? There must be some reason. Yeah, there is a man in a suit behind a huge mahogany desk with $1000 shoes going to work in a limousine with a hot tub in the back-but, he isn't the one you need to lose sleep over.

Johnny

[Goody4]

For 2005 models, the owner's manual suggests driving under 4500 rpms and under 100 mph for 1250 miles, not 1200. And then, it says, slowly increase speed and rpms.

[LDV330i]

For 2005 models, the owner's manual suggests driving under 4500 rpms and under 100 mph for 1250 miles, not 1200. And then, it says, slowly increase speed and rpms. That is a moot point here in North America. :cry:

[my3rdbimmer]

i'd like to break in Danica Patrick hard...