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JT///M3
02-17-2005, 05:13 PM
Just wanted to tell everyone before they decide its a good idea to let the CHP know that we're coming so somehow they won't stake out the 101 waiting for us. Thanks to whoever called the CHP ahead of time last year to let them know so they "wouldn't harass us BMW drivers," which resulted in them coming out in full force.They even changed the route of the air patrol to accomodate the LA caravan and escort us to SB. Way to go :rolleyes: . If they find out about bimmerfest, they find out, but don't go tell them we're coming. All they will do is pad thier ticket count for the month.

And don't start with the you shouldn't be speeding part...

Matthew330Ci
02-17-2005, 05:58 PM
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84976

chpahoy is with the chp, i don't know if he would notify them of the event as he's coming to the fest but it's not like this is a big secret...

btw, how do you know someone called chp in years past?

Kaz
02-17-2005, 06:01 PM
Um, nobody has to say anything. When the first group of 5 bimmers clocking 120 comes up the 101 at 6AM, they'll be in full force the rest of the day. They have these things called radios these days.

BoostedE21
02-17-2005, 06:38 PM
yes CHPAHOY is a CHP officer, and its true if people drive like idiots then they are going to bring attention to the rest of us so thank all the people that drive like idiots (not trying offend anyone). If they do show up, its to help I remember that once a CHP officer stopped traffic so the BMW;s could proceed.

SergioK
02-17-2005, 06:39 PM
They have these things called radios these days. :rofl:

wheel-man
02-17-2005, 06:51 PM
Um, nobody has to say anything. When the first group of 5 bimmers clocking 120 comes up the 101 at 6AM, they'll be in full force the rest of the day. They have these things called radios these days.

Hmmm... Vat eez dis 'radio' you speak of?

JT///M3
02-17-2005, 06:54 PM
yeah, someone posted last year that they had called the mayor and police chief to let them know so they wouldn't harass us at the fairgrounds.

the stupid CHP officer who pulled our group over last year told us they knew we were coming b/c they had gotten a tip weeks earlier that we were coming.

the stupid CHP pilot who supposedly identified (doesn't know the difference between a z3, M3, 740, 318, or bicycle) our group from the air told me during the trial that he had gotten word about our bimmerfest earlier in the week and had changed his patrol from normally southbound traffic to northbound traffic.

I was there when that one CHP officer stop traffic on the parade route, so yeah, there maybe 1 cool chp officer out there. Otherwise, most are DICKs just looking to pad their "activity" for the month.

Mr. The Edge
02-17-2005, 06:56 PM
yeah, someone posted last year that they had called the mayor and police chief to let them know so they wouldn't harass us at the fairgrounds.

the stupid CHP officer who pulled our group over last year told us they knew we were coming b/c they had gotten a tip weeks earlier that we were coming.

the stupid CHP pilot who supposedly identified (doesn't know the difference between a z3, M3, 740, 318, or bicycle) our group from the air told me during the trial that he had gotten word about our bimmerfest earlier in the week and had changed his patrol from normally southbound traffic to northbound traffic.

I was there when that one CHP officer stop traffic on the parade route, so yeah, there maybe 1 cool chp officer out there. Otherwise, most are DICKs just looking to pad their "activity" for the month.
I bet they won't pull you over if you don't violate any laws

LeucX3
02-17-2005, 07:16 PM
And don't start with the you shouldn't be speeding part...
You shouldn't be speeding in the first place.

:neener:

Weaselboy
02-17-2005, 07:30 PM
I was there when that one CHP officer stop traffic on the parade route, so yeah, there maybe 1 cool chp officer out there. Otherwise, most are DICKs just looking to pad their "activity" for the month.

Interesting generalization. :tsk:

Cliff
02-17-2005, 07:46 PM
yeah, someone posted last year that they had called the mayor and police chief to let them know so they wouldn't harass us at the fairgrounds.
yeah, that Shafer dude...

SergioK
02-17-2005, 08:57 PM
the stupid CHP pilot who supposedly identified (doesn't know the difference between a z3, M3, 740, 318, or bicycle...

I'm sure any CHP officer that has any amount of field exprience could give a rat's ass about differentiating the various BMW models. In fact, I'm sure most could give horrid recounts of how idiots driving BMWs too fast with little or no talent ended up spilling their guts or even better, dying on the various California roads and highways.

BoostedE21
02-17-2005, 09:22 PM
Cant wait till CHPAHOY see's this thread :rolleyes:

chpahoy
02-17-2005, 11:23 PM
Who in there right mind would not think that any law enforcement agency would not monitor the web for any events that are coming to/through their area in the future. Would it not be prudent to be proactive rather than reactive? Do you think that the organizer of this event doesn't notify the local PD that 600-700 BMW's are going to be in town or do you think they won't notice if we don't tell them. If you want to come out and drive your high performance vehicle with total disregard to those around you then you can expect the "MAN" to put a damper on your day. When I'm out working the road I give a lot of leeway and show people respect and I expect the same in return. But then we get people like you who want to bitch and moan because you got caught, and all of a sudden I'm a dick for doing my job. I'm the same dick that helps out your stranded wife/sister/grandmother, gives the homeless guy $5 to get a meal, responds to your crashes, I could go on and on but you have it in your mind that we're all DICKS. I just hope that I'm the next dick that stops you!

JT///M3
02-18-2005, 01:26 AM
Who in there right mind would not think that any law enforcement agency would not monitor the web for any events that are coming to/through their area in the future. Would it not be prudent to be proactive rather than reactive? Do you think that the organizer of this event doesn't notify the local PD that 600-700 BMW's are going to be in town or do you think they won't notice if we don't tell them. If you want to come out and drive your high performance vehicle with total disregard to those around you then you can expect the "MAN" to put a damper on your day. When I'm out working the road I give a lot of leeway and show people respect and I expect the same in return. But then we get people like you who want to bitch and moan because you got caught, and all of a sudden I'm a dick for doing my job. I'm the same dick that helps out your stranded wife/sister/grandmother, gives the homeless guy $5 to get a meal, responds to your crashes, I could go on and on but you have it in your mind that we're all DICKS. I just hope that I'm the next dick that stops you!

Hey, I have no problems with the CHP helping stranded motorists and stuff of that sort. Personally, thats what I think you guys should be doing. Why do you think we pay taxes for your better than avg salaries in the law enforcement field? Anyhow, I'm not here to start a war with the CHP. My gripe last year was that the CHP pretty much staked out the 101 for us BMW drivers coming up to bimmerfest. For the record, the CHP officer who pulled us over never got us on radar or even paced us speeding. For the record, the CHP pilot could not identify or tell the difference between any of the supposedly speeding BMWs. You can't identify an M3 vs. a 325 vs. 540 from the air. All they could do was pull over whoever they thought was speeding. How was/is that fair? Let me guess, they just cherry picked a coupel cars and gave us tickets for speeding, yet they could not identify any of us for speeding. Thats a load of crap and I DO have a problem with that.

Tell me honestly that you don't have a per se quota system and I will get off this board. I know you will say you don't, but basically, if you didn't give out one ticket this month, it would look like you did nothing. What about helping all those stranded motorist? You don't get points for doing that?

Again, I'm not here to fight with anyone, but i do feel strongly about the CHP and some of their unfair tactics. Thats my only gripe.

LmtdSlip
02-18-2005, 07:55 AM
Hey, I have no problems with the CHP helping stranded motorists and stuff of that sort. Personally, thats what I think you guys should be doing. Why do you think we pay taxes for your better than avg salaries in the law enforcement field? Anyhow, I'm not here to start a war with the CHP. My gripe last year was that the CHP pretty much staked out the 101 for us BMW drivers coming up to bimmerfest. For the record, the CHP officer who pulled us over never got us on radar or even paced us speeding. For the record, the CHP pilot could not identify or tell the difference between any of the supposedly speeding BMWs. You can't identify an M3 vs. a 325 vs. 540 from the air. All they could do was pull over whoever they thought was speeding. How was/is that fair? Let me guess, they just cherry picked a coupel cars and gave us tickets for speeding, yet they could not identify any of us for speeding. Thats a load of crap and I DO have a problem with that.

Tell me honestly that you don't have a per se quota system and I will get off this board. I know you will say you don't, but basically, if you didn't give out one ticket this month, it would look like you did nothing. What about helping all those stranded motorist? You don't get points for doing that?

Again, I'm not here to fight with anyone, but i do feel strongly about the CHP and some of their unfair tactics. Thats my only gripe.

:thumbup:

That sort of thing happens all the time.

Like the motorcyclist who was timed from the air doing over 200MPH on a stock Honda RC51. :tsk:

Cops tend to abuse their authority and if you take it to court the judges always side with the popo unless you have some sort of overwhelming evidence. There is no such thing as innocent until proven guilty when it comes to traffic tickets.

KrisL
02-18-2005, 09:10 AM
Again, I'm not here to fight with anyone, but i do feel strongly about the CHP and some of their unfair tactics. Thats my only gripe.


:eek:

All I have to say- that's a bad attitude to have. Perhaps you've had a bad experience with specific officers. The system is in place to deal with them, if you choose to use it (and use it wisely). This page (http://www.motoristprotectionact.com/index.php?page=Moving_Violation_Sample) has a lot of great information for fighting an unfair ticket (all California forms, etc). In general, I'm glad the CHP is there.

chpahoy
02-18-2005, 09:31 AM
Believe it or not, people do break the law out there. Maybe its a moving violation, maybe its a mechanical violation. But you're telling me that because you think we have a quota and you don't think its fair, that I should not write any tickets. Please come back to reality. It is against the law for the CHP to have a quota system (check the vehicle code). How can you say that you're not out to pick a fight with anyone. You insult me by lumping me into the CHP's are dicks catagory. Part of going through life is to accept responsibility for your actions. It sounds like someone got caught doing something they shouldn't have been doing, and now the person that caught them is the bad guy. Its time we moved on.

Galun
02-18-2005, 10:04 AM
Again, I'm not here to fight with anyone, but i do feel strongly about the CHP and some of their unfair tactics. Thats my only gripe.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=748030&postcount=17

I would generally agree with you about lower speed tickets like like 5 - 10 over in a 65 zone. But then I saw this thread, and your group was clocked at doing 90. From my experience (of being pulled over maybe 4 or 5 times), when the CHP pulls you over and give you your speed, it's probably lower than what it was anyways. Someone in your group specifically said you guys were going faster than 90 most of the time. So, chances are, your group was going faster than 90 anyways when you got pulled over. That's about 25 mph over the speed limit (which I assume is 65). I beleive in CA, 30 over is considered reckless driving. So please don't blame the CHP for unfairly targetting you. The CHP may have already given you a break by not citing you for 30 over the speed limit, slap on a reckless driving, and throw you guys in jail for a day.

SergioK
02-18-2005, 10:15 AM
I love it when people complain that they got tagged for speeding. Grow up and fess up! You know you were! :p

sky
02-18-2005, 11:05 AM
Last year was the first time I went to the fest. I thought it would be fun to "cruise" up there
with the caravan from the Valley. A few miles before the exit to the meeting place, a group
of about 10 or more BMWs came speeding by me, weaving in and out of traffic. After seeing
that, I figured that was a sure way of getting a ticket...it's pretty hard not to notice a group
of tricked out, speeding bimmers. (Can you say, "Hey Mr. CHP, look at me!"?) I then decided
not to join the caravan and drove at my own pace. Further up the road, in Oxnard, sure enough,
there are some bimmers pulled over by the CHP. Can you say "suckers"?

The HACK
02-18-2005, 11:29 AM
I love it when people complain that they got tagged for speeding. Grow up and fess up! You know you were! :p
Hey, didn't you get pull over for doing 100+ on the 405 once? :D

Plaz
02-18-2005, 11:43 AM
Hey, didn't you get pull over for doing 100+ on the 405 once? :D


Ouch! :rofl:

I think I'd get thrown in jail for that sort of violation back here. :(

SergioK
02-18-2005, 12:14 PM
Hey, didn't you get pull over for doing 100+ on the 405 once? :D

That was when I was young and stupid! :D

JT///M3
02-18-2005, 12:51 PM
:thumbup:

That sort of thing happens all the time.

Like the motorcyclist who was timed from the air doing over 200MPH on a stock Honda RC51. :tsk:

Cops tend to abuse their authority and if you take it to court the judges always side with the popo unless you have some sort of overwhelming evidence. There is no such thing as innocent until proven guilty when it comes to traffic tickets.

Thank you! Finally, someone who is in touch with reality. We all know quotas of any sort are unfair and should not be legal (unless they are in place to benefit people who need it, ie, affirmative action). Its pretty obvious tho that CHP only come out at the end of the month in full force, but are pretty scarce during the early to middle parts. I have a route I commute on for the last 1.5 yrs and I have noticed this pattern month after month.

Anyhow, by no means did I call you out CPHAHOY and say you were a dick. I don't even know you. I just generalized that pretty all the CHP officers I've come to meet have been pretty much big dicks. And also from my experience, whenever I am driving the speed limit (+-15mph) I have noticed that the CHP are the ones that are really speeding. Whats up with that? You guys think its safe to race your bikes/crown vics at 90+mph? Who are you guys chasing?

BTW, what are the statistics on the safety of the 101? I mean, is it that dangerous that you guys must patrol it by air to prevent ppl from flying off the road? Or are you guys just generating revenue? I love to learn about this. Please, by all means, change my perspective about the CHP. Show me that you guys are here to help keep the freeways safe. Show me some numbers/statistics.

I want this to be a discussion so please don't flame. We can talk about this like adults. Just b/c I have an opposing pt of view, doesn't mean you can flame me b/c you don't agree.

The HACK
02-18-2005, 01:05 PM
Thank you! Finally, someone who is in touch with reality.
One person out of 20 some odd posters agree with you and HE is in touch with reality? With YOUR reality maybe. Perhaps the rest of the posters in this thread are in touch with reality, and you aren't, ever thought about that? :dunno:

The reality is that CHP is already well aware of the event whether you like it or not. The reality is that YOU need to take precautions to not get your @ss pulled over. The reality is that CHP and local munies are only doing their job by enforcing the law, and that whether you like it or not they're 101% within their boundry for doing so.

We (or at least I speak for myself) are perfectly in touch with reality here.

KrisL
02-18-2005, 01:26 PM
I want this to be a discussion so please don't flame. We can talk about this like adults. Just b/c I have an opposing pt of view, doesn't mean you can flame me b/c you don't agree.


If you want an intelligent discussion rather than a flame war, you are going about it entirely wrong.

Plaz
02-18-2005, 01:31 PM
Naaa, I got clocked on rt287 at 121 in my old 2002tii Trooper was really pissed, but no jail time

Holy crap. :rofl:

I didn't know a 2002 would go that fast.

What was that, 6 points?

Jon Shafer
02-18-2005, 01:33 PM
One person out of 20 some odd posters agree with you and HE is in touch with reality? With YOUR reality maybe. Perhaps the rest of the posters in this thread are in touch with reality, and you aren't, ever thought about that? :dunno:

The reality is that CHP is already well aware of the event whether you like it or not. The reality is that YOU need to take precautions to not get your @ss pulled over. The reality is that CHP and local munies are only doing their job by enforcing the law, and that whether you like it or not they're 101% within their boundry for doing so.

We (or at least I speak for myself) are perfectly in touch with reality here.

Dan, are you coming to the event this year?

I hope to be able to hang out with you and everyone else afterwards...


Hopefully Ken (chpahoy) can join us too...
:beerchug:

JT///M3
02-18-2005, 01:33 PM
One person out of 20 some odd posters agree with you and HE is in touch with reality? With YOUR reality maybe. Perhaps the rest of the posters in this thread are in touch with reality, and you aren't, ever thought about that? :dunno:

The reality is that CHP is already well aware of the event whether you like it or not. The reality is that YOU need to take precautions to not get your @ss pulled over. The reality is that CHP and local munies are only doing their job by enforcing the law, and that whether you like it or not they're 101% within their boundry for doing so.

We (or at least I speak for myself) are perfectly in touch with reality here.

maybe some of us think outside the box and don't want to just fall into line just b/c thats the status quo

Lanc3r
02-18-2005, 01:34 PM
Anarchy in the USA?

JT///M3
02-18-2005, 01:35 PM
If you want an intelligent discussion rather than a flame war, you are going about it entirely wrong.

If there was a hint that I despise the CHP, then you're probably on cue :thumbup:

Plaz
02-18-2005, 01:35 PM
Honestly, IMO, there are so few speed traps in SoCal (compared to anywhere east of the Mississippi), if you can't manage to avoid flying past them, you deserve the ticket.

I got one ticket in 8 years out there, and it was my own stupidity (left the V1 at home).

I've been back here for about 8 months, and already got a ticket (85 in a 65, cop paced me at night... I got sloppy with the mirror/headlight checking). I don't think that ticket would ever have been written in SoCal. :(

JT///M3
02-18-2005, 01:43 PM
Honestly, IMO, there are so few speed traps in SoCal (compared to anywhere east of the Mississippi), if you can't manage to avoid flying past them, you deserve the ticket.

I got one ticket in 8 years out there, and it was my own stupidity (left the V1 at home).

I've been back here for about 8 months, and already got a ticket (85 in a 65, cop paced me at night... I got sloppy with the mirror/headlight checking). I don't think that ticket would ever have been written in SoCal. :(

Depends on where you are in SoCal. If its the big freeways like 405/10/57/22/91 where its constantly congested, trust me, there is nothing to trap. Now, go up the 5 North to Sac, 395 N to Mammoth, 210 W&E, then they're out there. They can only trap you if its a wide open road or a blind curve. They're not gonna trap you sitting on the 91 rolling at 10mph. A broad generalization that the CHP doesn't have unfair tactics to boost tickets is simply naive.

Galun
02-18-2005, 02:09 PM
maybe some of us think outside the box and don't want to just fall into line just b/c thats the status quo

:rofl:

Maybe if you believe in the right to bear arms for self defense, then you should think outside the box and conceal a load weapon without a permit in CA? Let's see how far that will get you. Ever heard of the law? Do you break laws whenever they don't fit into your "status quo"?

And let's not forget the fact that you were caught going 90mph and actually faster than that most of the time (and this is directly paraphrasing from someone travelling in your group). And you come in griping about getting caught with speeding?

Instead of discussing this issue here, I encourage you to continue this discussion with a CHP officer next time you get pulled over. :thumbup:

The HACK
02-18-2005, 02:20 PM
maybe some of us think outside the box and don't want to just fall into line just b/c thats the status quo
I am thinking outside the box. Here's a given set of facts that you will not be able to change:

1) CHP and local munies already KNOW there's an event.

2) CHP and local munies know there's a caravan.

2) CHP and local munies WILL be enforcing the laws that day.

Thinking outside the box would be to figure out a way to NOT GET PULLED OVER. Asking the local constibules not to show up is like asking flies not to be attracted to sh*t (no offense intended to ANYONE reading this that works for law enforcement).

The creative way, or as you like to put it, thinking out of the box, is to come up with an alternate caravan (like a day before) on an alternate route up, equip the caravan with the proper counter-measures (radar detectors, police scanners...etc) and drive up to your hearts content, but NOT POSTING that on a forum that the local authorities are likely to visit. THIS, is certainly not the way to go about doing it.

What I would have done, is make another post about the alternate caravan and use either PM or email to organize the caravan, to make sure the lead and follow vehicles are properly equipped and come up with an alternate route. You're not going to be able to change fact 1, 2 and 3 above, so deal with it. :dunno:

Of course, that is not to say that a smart law enforcement officer wouldn't join in on your thread, gather all the information available then feed it to the local munies so that there'll be plenty of revenue generation to go around. :rofl:

p.s.: This post does not reflect the author or this website's view of the law enforcement agencies. This post and the view expressed are of a "hypothetical" situation. The author, Mr. "The HACK", does not condone breaking California vehicle code. That, is up to Mr. Butthead.

LordGop
02-18-2005, 02:21 PM
Depends on where you are in SoCal. If its the big freeways like 405/10/57/22/91 where its constantly congested, trust me, there is nothing to trap. Now, go up the 5 North to Sac, 395 N to Mammoth, 210 W&E, then they're out there. They can only trap you if its a wide open road or a blind curve. They're not gonna trap you sitting on the 91 rolling at 10mph. A broad generalization that the CHP doesn't have unfair tactics to boost tickets is simply naive.


I travel the 5 or 101 from San Fernando Valley to San Jose/ San Cruz area about 6 or more times a year and I must say that I don't see what is "unfair" about their tactics...sitting behind a blind curve, heck why not if you see them before you just going to slow down.....But I have noticed that CHP are on those freeways for a reason.There those who drive about 10 or so over in the fast lane and there are those people trying to make a 5 and a half hour trip in 3 hours which is the reason they are out there.

It was pouring rain and my mother was alone driving and her windshield wiper came off and she had to pull over because she couldn't see anymore. A CHP officer pulled over, went and got the wiper in the middle of the road, and was able to wire it back on for her. I don't think many people get to see the other side of these guys/gals jobs.

Judging at the number of referrals you make to being pulled over your probably habitually breaking the law.

(no flaming intented)

Galun
02-18-2005, 02:36 PM
p.s.: This post does not reflect the author or this website's view of the law enforcement agencies. This post and the view expressed are of a "hypothetical" situation. The author, Mr. "The HACK", does not condone breaking California vehicle code. That, is up to Mr. Butthead.

p.p.s: This post does not endorse or recommend the list of "countermeasures" mentioned, and the author will not take responsibility if the countermeasures fail.

The HACK
02-18-2005, 02:42 PM
p.p.s: This post does not endorse or recommend the list of "countermeasures" mentioned, and the author will not take responsibility if the countermeasures fail.
:eeps: thanks.

JT///M3
02-18-2005, 03:10 PM
well I guess everyone here must either do the speed limit or have just been fortunate enough not to have been caught speeding. I guess you won't know how it feels until it happens to you. Then you'll think about how unfair it is esp if you doing a reasonable speed on clear and sunny day with little or no traffic. Reasonable (to me) speed on a clear sunny day with light traffic is approximately 80mph from going with the flow of traffic.

And to be honest, I've only gotten tickets on the 5 (central valley), 395 (middle of nowhere), and the 101 N (SB). Thanks to the V1, I've avoided quite a few on the 210.

I've curbed my speeding habits by purchasing a 325 for commuting. Its too easy to get carried away in the ///M.

LordGop
02-18-2005, 03:20 PM
well I guess everyone here must either do the speed limit or have just been fortunate enough not to have been caught speeding. I guess you won't know how it feels until it happens to you. Then you'll think about how unfair it is esp if you doing a reasonable speed on clear and sunny day with little or no traffic. Reasonable (to me) speed on a clear sunny day with light traffic is approximately 80mph from going with the flow of traffic.

And to be honest, I've only gotten tickets on the 5 (central valley), 395 (middle of nowhere), and the 101 N (SB). Thanks to the V1, I've avoided quite a few on the 210.

I've curbed my speeding habits by purchasing a 325 for commuting. Its too easy to get carried away in the ///M.


I agree, I think I've been lucky but I've been a passanger to a few pull overs and I'm sure its no fun, but its a risk to take.

And my daily driver is a 87 325i otherwise I might not have the clean record I have now, it is temping when you are behind the wheel of something beefy but its all about not feeling you have to prove anything. (for me at least)

Also its hard to say what is "reasonable" as far as speeds, I wouldn't disagree with you on that part, but our law markers had to set a limit and hey its what we agree to follow by having a license. We could debate speed limits for years but that politics for ya hehe

EDIT: spelling

Kurt Martin
02-18-2005, 03:35 PM
well I guess everyone here must either do the speed limit or have just been fortunate enough not to have been caught speeding. I guess you won't know how it feels until it happens to you. Then you'll think about how unfair it is...

No, I won't think about how unfair it is. As they say: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time! If you are going 80+, then you have no grounds to complain if you get caught and receive a ticket. That's just the price of doing business.

If I ever speed, and then get caught, I'm not going to complain about it being unfair. I won't like it, but I'm not going to complain. Just one of those times when you have to take your medicine. :)

SergioK
02-18-2005, 05:15 PM
A broad generalization that the CHP doesn't have unfair tactics to boost tickets is simply naive.

"Unfair"!?!?! So pacing someone for a X distance is unfair? Sitting of the side of the road with their radar blaring is unfair? Perched on top of an overhead onramp waiting for someone to 'fly by' is unfair? Using air support (helicopter, fixed wing) to nab speeders is unfair?

I've both avoided and gotten tickets from each and every scenario and yes it sucks but I still don't think they are unfair. I think your perception of the word 'fair' may be skewed. But perhaps I'm wrong. What do you think would be 'fair' to you?

Scenario 1: For a CHP to pass you at 95mph (while you are going 80mph) and then you finally so you say 'oh, gee, maybe I should slow down to the speed limit.'

Scenario 2: Post signs with flashing neon lights at onramps (or turn outs) where CHPs are camping?

Again, what 'fair' warning do YOU need from the CHP to enforce the speed limit laws???

BoostedE21
02-18-2005, 05:31 PM
I'm sorry but this is a real immature thread. DONT SPEED and you wont get caught/ get a ticket. I personal do about 70-80mph ALL the time and i have had CHP see me and pass me and they didnt bother, prolly cause that was the flow of traffic and i was not driving like an idiot. That group that got pulled over was prolly driving like idiots and attracted attention. I know what goes on at BMW meets around here, i only go for the meet and not the drive cause they all drive stupid. i bet if you do drive above the speed limit and not recklessly, they wont mind. PLUS, if you did get a ticket and posted that on here, I;m sure a certine person can people you out.

NOW, i will agree that some police officers/CHP are dicks, there are cool ones out there. and remember..THATS THERE JOB to inforce the LAW!

if you dont want a ticket dont break the law. simple!

(this post is not intended to target any personal or start a fight)

Plaz
02-18-2005, 05:58 PM
The author, Mr. "The HACK", does not condone breaking California vehicle code. That, is up to Mr. Butthead.

:rofl:

Matthew330Ci
02-18-2005, 06:19 PM
I'm sorry but this is a real immature thread. DONT SPEED and you wont get caught/ get a ticket. I personal do about 70-80mph ALL the time and i have had CHP see me and pass me and they didnt bother, prolly cause that was the flow of traffic and i was not driving like an idiot. That group that got pulled over was prolly driving like idiots and attracted attention. I know what goes on at BMW meets around here, i only go for the meet and not the drive cause they all drive stupid. i bet if you do drive above the speed limit and not recklessly, they wont mind. PLUS, if you did get a ticket and posted that on here, I;m sure a certine person can people you out.

NOW, i will agree that some police officers/CHP are dicks, there are cool ones out there. and remember..THATS THERE JOB to inforce the LAW!

if you dont want a ticket dont break the law. simple!

(this post is not intended to target any personal or start a fight)


a few months ago, i got a ticket for 78 in a 65 which i thought was ridiculous. normally i drive 75-80 all the time just keeping with the traffic flow here when the roads are open. but what can i do, just suck up and pay up...


Also, as a general question to everyone else, what's the morning caravan up to bimmerfest like?

Galun
02-18-2005, 06:24 PM
a few months ago, i got a ticket for 78 in a 65 which i thought was ridiculous. normally i drive 75-80 all the time just keeping with the traffic flow here when the roads are open. but what can i do, just suck up and pay up...

My last ticket was 72 in 65. Go figure. But I was nailed, and that was the end of the story.

JT///M3
02-19-2005, 02:16 AM
My last ticket was 72 in 65. Go figure. But I was nailed, and that was the end of the story.

You see, I've had tickets like yours before. What irritates me most is that most of my tickets have been lame ones like this. I've fought off 2 like this b/c they were basically ridiculous. If you guys can feel me, after you get a few of these, you really get annoyed. Like, really, am I committing vehicular manslaughter or something? Just wait fellas, over time, if you keep getting these petty 10-15mph over tickets, you too will feel me. You know, 1 ticket doesn't bother me, 2 tickets doesn't bother me, but 3-4 tickets...well, now you see why I don't like the CHP. BTW, I see how some of you just shrug it off as no big deal. I mean, a small 10 over limit is like $100. You just pay it, got to traffic school, and it goes away. So you wasted a lil bit of time and money. No biggie right? Sure, I felt the same way. But then you get another, and it hasn't been 18 months yet, then what? Oh, there goes your insurance. By the time one ticket falls off, oopps, you get nailed again. DOH! shall I go on?

I think its funny how some post sound almost like, "thank you sir, can I have another?" like its no big deal to get ass raped by the CHP. then you show up on this message board and support them like they were looking out for your best interests...now thats funny to me... :dunno:

JT///M3
02-19-2005, 02:27 AM
Scenario 1: For a CHP to pass you at 95mph (while you are going 80mph) and then you finally so you say 'oh, gee, maybe I should slow down to the speed limit.'


Oh gee, maybe he should stop being a stupid hypocrite and slow down himself. I didn't know the CHP was supposed to be ABOVE the law. I guess since we gave them the authority to enforce the law, maybe they don't need to follow it either.

what are you rambling about? :confused:

SergioK
02-19-2005, 10:01 AM
Oh gee, maybe he should stop being a stupid hypocrite...

Love your argumentation skills. :thumbup:

marvelphx
02-19-2005, 12:23 PM
This thread is robbing me of IQ points... :tsk:

Kurt Martin
02-19-2005, 02:51 PM
This thread is robbing me of IQ points... :tsk:
No kidding! This thread is turning into this year's version of "Thank you very much, Cutter Motors" :rofl:

wag-zhp
02-19-2005, 05:11 PM
This thread is robbing me of IQ points... :tsk:
True, but at the same time it's kind of amusing.

It's amazing that some people just don't seem to understand how laws and their enforcement work. If the speed limit is 65 and you are doing 66 you are breaking the law. It's just as simple as that.

Most police officers are willing to give motorists a 5 mph buffer, and many even allow a 10 mph buffer. (Granted there are periods of zero tolerance where the limits are strictly enforced. This is done to try to bring the speed of traffic on a particular stretch of road closer to the posted limit. This usually happens on dangerous sections of mountain or coastal highways, where the average speeds are creeping up to speeds beyond those that average drivers are able to safely negotiate.) If a motorist exceeds that 10 mph buffer on a regular basis they need to be prepaired to pay the piper.

Yes, a ticket for 72 in a 65 zone does stink, but IT IS fair. If someone gets more than 3 speeding tickets in a 16 month period they need to rethink their driving habits. If someone needs to drive fast because they're always late, they need to work on their time management skills. If they need to drive fast because they like to, they need to spend more time driving at a race track.

Remember, differential speed is what gets people in trouble. It you have to weave in and out of traffic to go faster you are drawing attention to yourself, and are potenially creating an unsafe condition for other drivers. If you want to drive like an idiot, please make sure you aren't endangering other people. If you drive more than 15 over the posted limit, you can expect to get stopped. If you drive more than 25 over the limit, you deserve anything you get.

If you drive 25 mph faster than the majority of the traffic on the road, you are creating an unsafe condition. If you find yourself doing this a lot, eventually, it can be expected that you will be in, or cause an accident. An accident at 90+ mph is very often fatal. That is exactly what the police are trying to prevent.


[/soapbox]

operknockity
02-19-2005, 07:37 PM
Well said, wag-zhp :thumbup:

Patrick330i
02-19-2005, 09:04 PM
Who in there right mind would not think that any law enforcement agency would not monitor the web for any events that are coming to/through their area in the future. Would it not be prudent to be proactive rather than reactive? Do you think that the organizer of this event doesn't notify the local PD that 600-700 BMW's are going to be in town or do you think they won't notice if we don't tell them. If you want to come out and drive your high performance vehicle with total disregard to those around you then you can expect the "MAN" to put a damper on your day. When I'm out working the road I give a lot of leeway and show people respect and I expect the same in return. But then we get people like you who want to bitch and moan because you got caught, and all of a sudden I'm a dick for doing my job. I'm the same dick that helps out your stranded wife/sister/grandmother, gives the homeless guy $5 to get a meal, responds to your crashes, I could go on and on but you have it in your mind that we're all DICKS. I just hope that I'm the next dick that stops you!

I can respect this post and I don't blame you for saying any of this. That's telling it like it is. Nothing like having a thankless job. Anyway, what I really like about most of the CHP is exactly what you say above, the granting of leeway. If I am going with the flow of traffic and that flow is cruising between 70 and 80, I've never had a problem. Hell, I've been out on the 10 east of Cabazon where the 4 lanes east bound are flowing at 90 (same goes for the 15 north of Barstow). No problems. I appreciate the leeway you guys grant. It is completely reasonable and not to be abused. We all have lives to attend to and I like your realistic approach. BTW, my wife's cousin is CHP up in Sacramento. He has a tough assignment area, but he is much like you. Thank you for your service! :thumbup:

BTW, what are the statistics on the safety of the 101? I mean, is it that dangerous that you guys must patrol it by air to prevent ppl from flying off the road? Or are you guys just generating revenue? I love to learn about this. Please, by all means, change my perspective about the CHP. Show me that you guys are here to help keep the freeways safe. Show me some numbers/statistics.

JT, the 101NB really starts to suck once you hit Camarillo. There has been a lot of construction in Oxnard with exit traffic piling up onto the fwy, etc. Basically, I hate driving the 101 north of the pass until I get up past SB. But that's just me. The other thing I would say is that other states would totally nail you for some of the infractions you have. Don't believe me? Take a drive up to OR or WA. If you did 85 or 90, it would be all over. Those guys up north give you about 10 over or less, that's it. And in WA, you might not even get that much of a break. I am not saying that you should just take what you have and enjoy it, but I can assure you that things could be a lot worse.

Matthew330Ci
02-20-2005, 12:24 AM
Oh gee, maybe he should stop being a stupid hypocrite and slow down himself. I didn't know the CHP was supposed to be ABOVE the law. I guess since we gave them the authority to enforce the law, maybe they don't need to follow it either.

what are you rambling about? :confused:

actually i also notice this, that a good portion of cops and chp are some of the most dangerous drivers out there, tailgating, weaving in and out, cutting people off, not using turn signals, etc..

i do realize that sometimes they may need to get somewhere quick but not enough to use sirens but it still creates danger just like any other driver who does those things above.

operknockity
02-20-2005, 04:25 AM
Anyway, what I really like about most of the CHP is exactly what you say above, the granting of leeway. If I am going with the flow of traffic and that flow is cruising between 70 and 80, I've never had a problem. Hell, I've been out on the 10 east of Cabazon where the 4 lanes east bound are flowing at 90 (same goes for the 15 north of Barstow). No problems. I appreciate the leeway you guys grant. It is completely reasonable and not to be abused.
A long long time ago, I was cruising out to Riverside and going a decent bit faster than the rest of the traffic was flowing (which was above the posted speed limits already) but not really weaving much at all, and not paying enough attention to whether there were any LEOs around. All of a sudden I see a CHP car pull up next to me and all I can think of is I'm screwed. But instead of flipping on the lights and siren and pulling me over, he just motions to me to keep my speed down and then pulls away. Now that's leeway! :thumbup:

LordGop
02-20-2005, 12:46 PM
But instead of flipping on the lights and siren and pulling me over, he just motions to me to keep my speed down and then pulls away. Now that's leeway! :thumbup:

I was driving 5 south passing thru gorman and this police(?) in a SUV just pulled along side me and shook his finger at me, phew, I was sweating bullets.

wag-zhp
02-20-2005, 12:57 PM
Well said, wag-zhp :thumbup:
Thanks. That's one of my favorite soapboxes. Law enforcement has to be one of the toughest, most thankless jobs, out there. I have the utmost respect and gratitude for all police officers (even those with questionable judgment) and think the good ones deserve way more credit and praise than they receive.

I live to drive fast, and I will even admit that on rare occasions I do it on public streets. However that only happens very early in the mornings, when there are very few other cars on the roads and no pedestrians or bicyclists. On those fairly rare occasions, I am fully awake, alert, and aware of my surroundings, and am always on a road that I am familiar with. If I should ever get stoped during one of these lapses of judgement I will understand that I am in the wrong and will accept full responsibility for my actions. I will treat the officer with respect and explain my actions, hoping for leniency, but if none is given I will simply accept the ticket, as it will be deserved.

If I find my urge for morning "time trials" happening more frequently I know it's time to schedule some track time, or go to the local go cart track. Hmmm, go carts in the rain... that could be fun. I'll bet the track is closed :(

JT///M3
02-20-2005, 04:02 PM
[QUOTE=wag-zhp]Law enforcement has to be one of the toughest, most thankless jobs, out there. I have the utmost respect and gratitude for all police officers (even those with questionable judgment) and think the good ones deserve way more credit and praise than they receive.

QUOTE]

I think we should differentiate the law enforcement agencies. There is the CHP, which I unequivocally despise, and then there are local cops/sheriffs which are out there bushing their buts to keep the streets/neighborhoods safe. I totally respect what the PD is doing for us everyday and would not say a bad thing about them.

·clyde·
02-20-2005, 04:43 PM
Are you going to start a thread to let us all know when your head is removed from your ass or will we just be able to tell? :dunno:

The Roadstergal
02-20-2005, 06:48 PM
Are you going to start a thread to let us all know when your head is removed from your ass or will we just be able to tell? :dunno:
I'm not holding my breath.

SergioK
02-20-2005, 08:37 PM
I doubt we'll be able to tell. (Unless we spot him on the way to Bimmerfest 2005 off US101 while he's signing another ticket for driving like an idiot) :p

X5drvr
02-20-2005, 11:36 PM
04-14-2003, 09:32 AM
JT///M3
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: R. Cucamonga Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 49

Mein auto: 98 M3/2

do any of you guys have a V1? Just wondering if they were coming up from behind with radar on or just looking to pace someone and bust them.

Coincidentally, we did 140mph coming up when an 02 Altima with NY plates hit us up. Those guys got to see what an M3 rear end looks like from far far away. It must have been our lucky day b/c we passed 2, yes 2 (two) CHPs on the side of the road pulling other people over. I mean we passed them when we were in the slow lane (far right). I don't know what kind of wind shear 140mph feels like but I know they knew we flew by. We thought to slow down at first, but figured that at 140mph, they had no chance to catch up to us. We slowed down to 75 after a few miles distance.

JT
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Your old, old post - you've been an asshole for a long time - always was, always will be!You deserve every ticket you've gotten and more. And you're crying :mad: over an UNFAIR ticket? Your day will come - hopefully you'll only be taking yourself out! Then some law enforcement officer, a local PD, CHP, or Sheriff, will be out there doing his job, trying to put you back together. Just don't do it on my husband's beat.

ast
02-21-2005, 01:32 AM
Is speed limit really necessary/helpful at all? The German Autobohns don't have any limit so is it more dangerous/accidents/fatalities over there than, say I5 with 75 mph limit ?

With today's auto safety features and performance, I can see 110 mph on open freeway is more reasonable.

ast
02-21-2005, 03:12 AM
to add to my comments above, currently there are some States that don't have speed limits any more! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

The HACK
02-21-2005, 09:47 AM
Is speed limit really necessary/helpful at all? The German Autobohns don't have any limit so is it more dangerous/accidents/fatalities over there than, say I5 with 75 mph limit ?

With today's auto safety features and performance, I can see 110 mph on open freeway is more reasonable.

Don't compare autobahn driving to driving here in the U.S. It is 100X more difficult to pass the driving test to obtain a driver's license in Europe than it is here. 99% of the drivers in the U.S. won't pass the rigorous E.U. standards.

It's not an issue with the safety of the vehicles, it's a problem with the ID-10Ts you share a road with.

The Roadstergal
02-21-2005, 02:01 PM
It's not an issue with the safety of the vehicles, it's a problem with the ID-10Ts you share a road with.

:stupid:

I don't trust half of the drivers out there at 60mph...

TeamM3
02-21-2005, 03:10 PM
I never got a ticket I didn't deserve :dunno: and have nothing but praise and thanks for all police officers, including those who ticketed me. It's a tough, dangerous, underpaid, and often thankless job. I consider myself lucky that someone is willing to do it. I have no doubt there are some bad apples out there, just as in any walk of life, but that doesn't spoil the whole lot in my book.

:bow: :beerchug:

SergioK
02-21-2005, 04:07 PM
1st time I drove cross country I got stopped for 84mph in a 65mph. I was 1mph shy from being taken in. After the trooper wrote me up, etc, I shook his hand and thanked him. He was a bit startled but hell I was thankful!

Edit: Thanks Clyde :thumbup: I dropped the H. :eeps:

·clyde·
02-21-2005, 04:11 PM
I shook his and and thanked him. He was a bit startled


You, uh, shook his...what? :eek:

doeboy
02-21-2005, 05:38 PM
You, uh, shook his...what? :eek:

:bustingup :bustingup :bustingup

SpeedinBlueBima
02-21-2005, 10:40 PM
When you brek the law you have to understand that there are consequences. I do break the law, I do speed, I don't have a front plate, and I have plenty of fix-it tickets and a speeding ticket to show for it. If the speedlimit were raised think of all the soccer moms in their Expeditions and Suburbans that would be going even faster.

JetBlack330i
02-22-2005, 05:52 AM
I wonder what CHPAHOY has to say about the CHP Foundation question...
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14689

Thrasherlife
02-22-2005, 11:40 PM
I can't believe I wasted my time reading this:tsk: ....though it was amusing, the ignorance is just astounding :confused: ...I appreciate CHP and everytime I've been pulled over, I sure as hell have deserved it.

RKT BMR
02-24-2005, 12:59 PM
yeah, someone posted last year that they had called the mayor and police chief to let them know so they wouldn't harass us at the fairgrounds.

the stupid CHP officer who pulled our group over last year told us they knew we were coming b/c they had gotten a tip weeks earlier that we were coming.

the stupid CHP pilot who supposedly identified (doesn't know the difference between a z3, M3, 740, 318, or bicycle) our group from the air told me during the trial that he had gotten word about our bimmerfest earlier in the week and had changed his patrol from normally southbound traffic to northbound traffic.

I was there when that one CHP officer stop traffic on the parade route, so yeah, there maybe 1 cool chp officer out there. Otherwise, most are DICKs just looking to pad their "activity" for the month.This kind of bigoted vitriol is completely uncalled for.

These people are not "stupid". They are doing their job, which is to enforce the law. Your problem is with CA law, not the people who are charged with enforcing it. Taking your frustrations out on them is way out of line.

Speed laws exist for a reason. I happen to think the reasons for them are sound, despite my own stable of tickets and testosterone temptation to push my BMW to thrilling extremes. However, as a man of principle, I understand that these urges, and the risks inherent in them, are my responsibility, not that of other people who quite arguably are there serving me as well as everyone else.

So, I tend to get my jollies in circumstances where the risk to others is minimized. Basically when no one else is around me for miles. To do otherwise falls in to that category I spoke of above -- speed laws have their justification -- and people that risk others with their thrill-riding deserve every bit of consequence the law ca meet out to them.

The roads belong to all of us, including the slowpokes, grandmas, hippie buses, and just plain scared, nervous drivers. Speed laws are a part of the total mosaic that makes it possible for us all to share this resource.

RKT BMR
02-24-2005, 01:11 PM
Believe it or not, people do break the law out there. Maybe its a moving violation, maybe its a mechanical violation. But you're telling me that because you think we have a quota and you don't think its fair, that I should not write any tickets. Please come back to reality. It is against the law for the CHP to have a quota system (check the vehicle code). How can you say that you're not out to pick a fight with anyone. You insult me by lumping me into the CHP's are dicks catagory. Part of going through life is to accept responsibility for your actions. It sounds like someone got caught doing something they shouldn't have been doing, and now the person that caught them is the bad guy. Its time we moved on.chpahoy, please consider this: The irrational cop-haters like this person are a small minority of the general population, just as bad cops are a tiny minority of the overall officer population in law enforcement.

Like the bad cops, which get all the news and skew perception for people like LmtdSlip, the noisy, insulting critics like this M3 guy skew perception of how the public views you guys.

Most of us are very glad to have the fine people serving us in all levels of law enforcement, day in and day out, risking their lives from time to time and being there when we need them. When I get busted speeding -- which has happened more than it should :D -- I'm among the most friendly motorists that you guys ever encounter. I know it is me that is at fault, acknowlege it, take responsibility for it, and usually have a pleasant conversation with the officer. Ticket or not, I always thank him or her for being there keeping us safe, and doing their job.

While this isn't my motivation (honestly, my reasons for this attitude are honorable), it has gotten me off with a warning more times than I can remember. Not surprisingly, officers respect people that own up to their actions and point the finger where it belongs. Also not surprisingly, people that display the sort of attitude of the critics here find little slack when dealing with "the man".

Anyway, looking forward to seeing you at the fest this year, man! :thumbup:

RKT BMR
02-24-2005, 01:18 PM
I want this to be a discussion so please don't flame. We can talk about this like adults. Just b/c I have an opposing pt of view, doesn't mean you can flame me b/c you don't agree.Frankly, it's awefully hard to believe you really mean this. After all, you came right out of the gate with all sorts of flamage and name-calling.

That's hardly the comportment of someone truly interested in having a civil, reasoned discussion. Your statement above smells strongly of damage control -- nothing more.

RKT BMR
02-24-2005, 01:22 PM
Thinking outside the box would be to figure out a way to NOT GET PULLED OVER. Asking the local constibules not to show up is like asking flies not to be attracted to sh*t (no offense intended to ANYONE reading this that works for law enforcement).Bears to honey then, HACK?

:D

X5-4-fighting
02-25-2005, 01:11 PM
This thread again reminds me of an old joke that stereotype BMW drivers. I heard it for the first time awhile back from one of the non-BMW driving CHP officers playing on my hockey team. Before anyone takes offense to this JOKE, remember that this is not to intended to offend anyone...

Q: What is the difference between a porcupine and a BMW driver?
A: On a porcupine, the PRICK is on the outside!

Based on the response on this thread, it's good to know that a good MAJORITY of us BMW drivers do not fit that myth or stereotype. :thumbup:

Only time I ever got pulled over by CHP (knock on wood) was when my buddy wanted to know when our next hockey game was? :rofl: jk!

The HACK
02-25-2005, 02:12 PM
Bears to honey then, HACK?

:D
Well, that is certainly 100X more eloquent than I'd put it. :D