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Alex Baumann
02-28-2005, 09:31 AM
:yummy:

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/949444d.jpg

4.4 Liter Supercharged V8 - 500 hp - 700 Nm :eek:

Desertnate
02-28-2005, 09:37 AM
SWEET!!! :thumbup:

Thanks again Alex for yet another tease of something we will never see on American soil :(

Lanc3r
02-28-2005, 09:43 AM
SWEET!!! :thumbup:

Thanks again Alex for yet another tease of something we will never see on American soil :(


:stupid: :asshole:

Alex Baumann
02-28-2005, 11:00 AM
Hehe, this of course made me worry about the M5 Touring though.

Can this be the reason why they are probably not going to build the M5 Touring ?

Patrick
02-28-2005, 11:04 AM
700 Nm :eek:


:eek:


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Desertnate
02-28-2005, 11:06 AM
Hehe, this of course made me worry about the M5 Touring though.

Can this be the reason why they are probably not going to build the M5 Touring ?

With those kind of numbers, I don't see why they would need to bother.

It isn't AWD is it :eeps: ...please tell me it isn't!

Alex Baumann
02-28-2005, 11:16 AM
With those kind of numbers, I don't see why they would need to bother.

It isn't AWD is it :eeps: ...please tell me it isn't!

At the beginning, no AWD, it's the same setup that comes in the B5 Sedan.

Alex Baumann
02-28-2005, 01:14 PM
http://www.salon-auto.ch/multimedia/images/img_traitees/2005/02/1109335127_31alpina_b5_touring_small.jpg

:thumbup:

Patrick
02-28-2005, 01:16 PM
Not my color choice, but a damn fine E61 if I do say so my damn self.

:thumbup:


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Desertnate
02-28-2005, 01:16 PM
http://www.salon-auto.ch/multimedia/images/img_traitees/2005/02/1109335127_31alpina_b5_touring_small.jpg

:thumbup:

For some reason that picture makes it look like an inflated Z3 Coupe...very torpedo like.

Patrick
02-28-2005, 01:17 PM
BTW, any word if there would be/could be/might be a D5 Touring, based on the 535d Touring? :dunno:


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Alex Baumann
02-28-2005, 01:18 PM
Not my color choice, but a damn fine E61 if I do say so my damn self.

:thumbup:


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Now I am sitting here and envisioning myself in that touring, on the Autobahn in the left lane, flashing a Porsche 911 to pass :rofl:

Patrick
02-28-2005, 01:20 PM
Now I am sitting here and envisioning myself in that touring, on the Autobahn in the left lane, flashing a Porsche 911 to pass :rofl:

:rofl:

Porsche driver says to himself: "WTF station wagon is overtaking me now?" :eek:


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Alex Baumann
02-28-2005, 01:20 PM
BTW, any word if there would be/could be/might be a D5 Touring, based on the 535d Touring? :dunno:


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Still no word on the diesel models. I don't know what you can do to a 535d anymore ? :eeps:

Patrick
02-28-2005, 01:21 PM
Still no word on the diesel models. I don't know what you can do to a 535d anymore ? :eeps:

:eeps:

Good point. At least not to that engine. :eek:


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Alex Baumann
02-28-2005, 01:22 PM
:rofl:

Porsche driver says to himself: "WTF station wagon is overtaking me now?" :eek:


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LOL, this car will probably be the fastest touring in the world. 300km/h top speed (restricted, not to upset B7 owners. The B7 topped 311 km/h at Nardo. B5 will be a couple of hundred kilo lighter)

:eek:

Patrick
02-28-2005, 01:24 PM
LOL, this car will probably be the fastest touring in the world. 300km/h top speed.


:eek:


Mrs Morton could get the groceries somewhat faster in that beast. :bigpimp:


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Alex Baumann
02-28-2005, 01:25 PM
:eek:


Mrs Morton could get the groceries somewhat faster in that beast. :bigpimp:


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:bustingup :bustingup

Vodka Express !!! Wooohooo !! :rofl:


:bigpimp:

Patrick
02-28-2005, 01:26 PM
:eeps:


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Alex Baumann
03-01-2005, 12:42 PM
http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img01.jpg

http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img02.jpg

http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img03.jpg

http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img04.jpg

Alex Baumann
03-01-2005, 12:44 PM
http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img07.jpg

http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img08.jpg

http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img09.jpg

http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img10.jpg

Alex Baumann
03-01-2005, 12:45 PM
http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img16.jpg

http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img20.jpg

http://www.alpina-automobile.de/galerie/b5/800/gal_B5_img21.jpg

wheel-man
03-01-2005, 12:46 PM
Why again are we in the U.S. tempted and restricted from having an Alpina of our own? :( :dunno:

Alex Baumann
03-01-2005, 12:50 PM
0-62 mph in 4.7 secs
Top Speed 195 mph

Hasta la Vista, Baby ! :supdude:

Lanc3r
03-01-2005, 12:52 PM
0-62 mph in 4.7 secs
Top Speed 195 mph

Hasta la Vista, Baby ! :supdude:


:yikes: This thread should be NWS. Im turned on. :eeps:

Alex Baumann
03-01-2005, 12:53 PM
http://www.alpina-automobile.de/de/automobile/b5/img_inhalt/600/img_antrieb_motor1.jpg

http://www.alpina-automobile.de/de/automobile/b5/img_inhalt/600/img_antrieb_motor2.jpg

gojira-san
03-01-2005, 12:55 PM
I would sell all the cars I own for that Touring. No problem at all. Well OK, I will keep the 528 as my commuter car. :D

Alex Baumann
03-01-2005, 02:26 PM
Did anyone notice the oil temperature gauge in place of the fuel economy gauge ? :)

F1Crazy
03-01-2005, 02:44 PM
Did anyone notice the oil temperature gauge in place of the fuel economy gauge ? :)
First thing I looked at :thumbup:

530iii
03-01-2005, 05:57 PM
I want that rear wing spoiler! :bling: :jawdrop:

Can anybody get me one of the bad boys?

By the way, nice two tone seating and comfort seat headrests in the rear.

andy_thomas
03-02-2005, 04:16 AM
Now I am sitting here and envisioning myself in that touring, on the Autobahn in the left lane, flashing a Porsche 911 to pass :rofl:
According to Evo, you could be flashing Gallardos and superbikes outta the way in a B5 Touring. From 0-200 km/h it is supposed to be at least as quick as the M5, which makes for an interesting comparison with the recent thread on Alpina/M performance superiority.

Perhaps BMW M said "we'll do the four-door - you can have the station wagon".

London Talking
03-02-2005, 04:41 AM
Did anyone notice the oil temperature gauge in place of the fuel economy gauge ? :)
What are the fuel consumption figures?

:eek:

andy_thomas
03-02-2005, 05:11 AM
What are the fuel consumption figures?

:eek:
According to alpina.de, 18.8l/100 on the urban cycle, and 8.8 on the motorway. The EU cycle is famously unattainable in real life - unless your motorways are always empty and your urban consumption figures are measured in the biggest town in the Outer Hebrides - so I would expect a bit better than the urban figure overall - perhaps 16l/100. Divide 282 by all of these numbers to get mpImpg, and divide that result by 1.2 to get mpUSg. (So 16l/100 = 17.7 mpg, = 14.7 mpUSg).

wheel-man
03-02-2005, 05:22 AM
Alex, you need to campaign Alpina to bring this car... might as well make it all there cars... to the U.S. for all of us not blessed to live in Europe.

Besides the engine modifications and interior/exterior sprucing, what suspension/brake changes have they made to E61 to make a B5?

London Talking
03-02-2005, 09:22 AM
According to alpina.de, 18.8l/100 on the urban cycle, and 8.8 on the motorway. The EU cycle is famously unattainable in real life - unless your motorways are always empty and your urban consumption figures are measured in the biggest town in the Outer Hebrides - so I would expect a bit better than the urban figure overall - perhaps 16l/100. Divide 282 by all of these numbers to get mpImpg, and divide that result by 1.2 to get mpUSg. (So 16l/100 = 17.7 mpg, = 14.7 mpUSg).
Thanks

Alex Baumann
03-02-2005, 10:04 AM
According to Evo, you could be flashing Gallardos and superbikes outta the way in a B5 Touring. From 0-200 km/h it is supposed to be at least as quick as the M5, which makes for an interesting comparison with the recent thread on Alpina/M performance superiority.

Perhaps BMW M said "we'll do the four-door - you can have the station wagon".

I agree, it smells very much like a deal between Buchloe and Garching.

Ågent99
03-02-2005, 01:27 PM
Alex,

I'm afraid I'm going to have to lock this thread...too much time spent oogling it and it just can't be good for anyone!

;)

Awesome stuff...just awesome.

Alex Baumann
03-02-2005, 01:30 PM
Alex,

I'm afraid I'm going to have to lock this thread...too much time spent oogling it and it just can't be good for anyone!

;)

Awesome stuff...just awesome.

:fruit:

Nothing like drooling over beautiful machinery :angel:

philippek
03-02-2005, 01:32 PM
0-62 mph in 4.7 secs
Top Speed 195 mph

Hasta la Vista, Baby ! :supdude:

Alex, these numbers lay right on top of the M5's. What are the significant differences between the M5 and the B5? How much for the B5? And how can BMW not see this as a dilution of the market for the M5?

Alex Baumann
03-02-2005, 01:45 PM
Alex, these numbers lay right on top of the M5's. What are the significant differences between the M5 and the B5? How much for the B5? And how can BMW not see this as a dilution of the market for the M5?

The most significant difference is the M5 has a V10, the B5 a V8 under the hood. If you look at the RPM gauge, you'll notice the low redline on the B5, which is nice IMO. You don't need to beat the '****' out of the engine to get the power.

The B5 is a stock E60 with Alpina bodykit and wheels. It has two exhaust pipes, but slightly larger in diameter than the ones on the 545i.

I like the concept, if I had to go this way, it would definitely be a B5.

Nah, I don't think that it will dillute anything. One is a high-revving concept with a sportier character, the other one is more like a gentleman's carriage with secret power under the hood.

M cars are usually more expensive than Alpina models.

Ågent99
03-02-2005, 02:13 PM
...and Ms we can get here in the US...Alpinas we cannot...easily.... :(

andy_thomas
03-02-2005, 02:35 PM
I agree, it smells very much like a deal between Buchloe and Garching.
There is a B5 sedan, too, of course - but the price is very high, higher than the M5 (at least in the UK, where the M5 clocks in at just over £60k). Whether this means there will be no M5 Touring, who knows...

CAR magazine ran a piece on the B5 a while back, and intimated that with some restrictions on options, the B5 could be sold in the US as a limited-edition BMW - rather like the Alpina Roadster. So, one colour, one interior trim type. Again, whether Alpina has the capacity for it is the question - the supply of the Z8 exceeded demand in most European countries, so there was a strong argument for federalising the car in the US and stimulating interest there. The Alpina 5er is cheaper, and the car it's based on is more popular. Will the Alpina Roadster have been a one-off?

Heuer
03-21-2005, 10:56 AM
Just finished a long test drive in the pre-production UK B5 demonstrator. Very impressive car (traction control activated on a dry straight road in third!) and lightning quick. Seriously dangerous in the wrong hands, politically incorrect and totally unsuited to modern driving conditions.

I ordered one, obviously, but will have to wait until November as I want a Touring. Although I am still delighted by my current B10 V8 Touring the new car is in a different league. Think Starship Enterprise!

McMannusBMW
03-22-2005, 07:57 PM
Why again are we in the U.S. tempted and restricted from having an Alpina of our own? :( :dunno:

why hasn't Alpina introduced these cars in the U.S. market?

McMannus

F1Crazy
03-22-2005, 09:10 PM
why hasn't Alpina introduced these cars in the U.S. market?

McMannus
Because they sell everything they make already and don't need US market.

528i
03-22-2005, 10:59 PM
Because they sell everything they make already and don't need US market.

I think they probably wouldn't want to come to the US market. Not only is it expensive to federalize cars for the US, they would lost the niche audience and become just another automaker. They wouldn't be as exclusive, and there wouldn't be able to carry the premium they can now. I don't think Alpina makes more than 2000 cars or so a year, right?

So for now all we can do is order some stuff from KSK and hope one day they come to the US :)

wheel-man
03-23-2005, 12:35 PM
I think they probably wouldn't want to come to the US market. Not only is it expensive to federalize cars for the US, they would lost the niche audience and become just another automaker. They wouldn't be as exclusive, and there wouldn't be able to carry the premium they can now. I don't think Alpina makes more than 2000 cars or so a year, right?

So for now all we can do is order some stuff from KSK and hope one day they come to the US :)

Although, technically the only thing that needs to be federalized is the motor since the car is basically an E60/E61. And with respect to niche market, are you just referring to Europe?
Since if sold through select BMW dealers, Alpina could remain exclusive and of interest to only enthusiasts, and by order only. It would be an interesting deal, since they would have no overhead and increase their market share as well as increase BMW sales.

And the ultimate golden egg is the U.S. market... if you can crack it, you've got it made.

F1Crazy
03-23-2005, 01:35 PM
Although, technically the only thing that needs to be federalized is the motor since the car is basically an E60/E61. And with respect to niche market, are you just referring to Europe?
Since if sold through select BMW dealers, Alpina could remain exclusive and of interest to only enthusiasts, and by order only. It would be an interesting deal, since they would have no overhead and increase their market share as well as increase BMW sales.

And the ultimate golden egg is the U.S. market... if you can crack it, you've got it made.
It's not that easy as you think. Alpina is a manufacturer and their models would have to be treated as separate cars and go through complete federalization process. Since the number of cars Alpina produces is very small it doesn't make sense to federalize them for US market. Their primary markets will still be Germany, UK and Japan, they have no intention of coming here to US since they don't want to expand.

BMWNA tried to bring some models here, most recently B7 and was turned down, you can read about it in last issue of Bimmer magazine.

wheel-man
03-23-2005, 01:48 PM
It's not that easy as you think. Alpina is a manufacturer and their models would have to be treated as separate cars and go through complete federalization process. Since the number of cars Alpina produces is very small it doesn't make sense to federalize them for US market. Their primary markets will still be Germany, UK and Japan, they have no intention of coming here to US since they don't want to expand.

BMWNA tried to bring some models here, most recently B7 and was turned down, you can read about it in last issue of Bimmer magazine.

I'll definitely check out that issue... can you give me a quick run down why?

Alex Baumann
03-24-2005, 03:50 AM
http://www.alpina-automobile.de/downloads/testberichte/en1110879977BMWcar03_B5.pdf


"... I can't help but wonder whether this is the world's most complete car."


:thumbup:

Patrick
03-24-2005, 04:09 AM
http://www.alpina-automobile.de/downloads/testberichte/en1110879977BMWcar03_B5.pdf


"... I can't help but wonder whether this is the world's most complete car."


:thumbup:



:wow: 700Nm of torque.


:eek:


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BMW528i_Bilal
03-24-2005, 05:47 AM
THAT IS ONE SEXXXXXY CAR ! Is the Alpina 5 considered below or above the M5 model. I totally love this car, and the colour looks amazing, especially the two tone leather. why don't they ship the Alpina B5 to North America? :yikes: :cry: Could it be the car itself is to too good for the North American or could it be those damn emission control laws? :violent: :banghead:

WAM
03-24-2005, 07:43 AM
I have not checked the Alpina site but is it available as an Auto only?

hythe
05-15-2005, 05:38 AM
Just finished a long test drive in the pre-production UK B5 demonstrator. Very impressive car (traction control activated on a dry straight road in third!) and lightning quick. Seriously dangerous in the wrong hands, politically incorrect and totally unsuited to modern driving conditions.

I ordered one, obviously, but will have to wait until November as I want a Touring. Although I am still delighted by my current B10 V8 Touring the new car is in a different league. Think Starship Enterprise!

Aha! Sounds like you'll have the 2nd UK E61 B5 - I was wondering if anyone else had ordered a Touring yet... I booked mine back in January - apparently still on for October delivery.

The thing that most struck me about the demo car was the astonishingly good ride quality, in comparison with my E60 530iSE - blame the crummy run-flats on the E60 for that, I suppose. Didn't really get a chance to give the engine its head - the short squirts demonstrated that it's quick though, certainly, but very smooth so you almost don't notice it...

Alex Baumann
10-22-2005, 10:35 AM
How do you like it in white? :)

http://www.bmwm5.com/photo/data/505/75Alpinatokyo.jpg

http://www.bmwm5.com/photo/data/505/75Alpinatokyo-3.jpg

http://www.bmwm5.com/photo/data/505/75Alpinatokyo-5.jpg

Images are courtesy of Zawatch of M5board.com, taken at Tokio Motor Show

Me530
10-22-2005, 10:40 AM
:wow: :thumbup:

hythe
10-22-2005, 10:58 AM
Ummm, let's just say, I'm glad I went for Malachite Green...

Patrick
10-22-2005, 11:02 AM
Beautiful, even though I am not a fan of that color.

I really like the wheels.


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fidracer
10-22-2005, 04:18 PM
Because they sell everything they make already and don't need US market.
I talked with the president of Alpina at the LA autoshow a couple years ago when they launced the Aplina Z8 here and he said they would love to sell more cars here, but BMW didn't want them unless they could offer enough to satisfy all the dealers. They would have had to double or triple their capacity or something like that, and they just couldn't do it. I could tell he wasn't very happy about it. Sucks for us.

He was my driving instructor at the BMW Nurburgring school and gave me a ride in his Alpina Z8 there....unreal experience. Nice guy.

hythe
10-23-2005, 01:40 AM
You mean Andy Bovensiepen, presumably?

The major factor which has changed since then is the BMW-Alpina production process - the E60/61/63/64/65/66 models are all built on the BMW lines - Alpina ships the parts to the factory for normal assembly - this means that, in principle, they can ramp up volume quite considerably, if there's demand. They obviously don't want to dilute exclusivity, but if you add a big new market, that's no problem...

Alex Baumann
10-23-2005, 02:48 PM
B5 at 330km/h ~ 205 mph :eeps:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=9900

Me530
10-23-2005, 03:48 PM
B5 at 330km/h ~ 205 mph :eeps:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=9900
Illegal referer?

530iii
10-24-2005, 01:51 PM
Alpina(e) White? Simply AWESOME! :bling:

By the way does Alpina have two distinct rear wings? From different angles and different exterior colors the spoilers appear to be different in size.

When will they supercharge the new 4.8 V8? :wow:

fidracer
10-24-2005, 05:40 PM
You mean Andy Bovensiepen, presumably?

The major factor which has changed since then is the BMW-Alpina production process - the E60/61/63/64/65/66 models are all built on the BMW lines - Alpina ships the parts to the factory for normal assembly - this means that, in principle, they can ramp up volume quite considerably, if there's demand. They obviously don't want to dilute exclusivity, but if you add a big new market, that's no problem...

Yes, I mean Andy. You raise a good point about production changes. We were talking about the Z4 at the time. I guess I'm out of date. :dunno: