130 in US

[onstar]

how much is it gonna cost? rumored to start at 25000. and truth to it???

[scottytrance]

are they bringing the one series to the united states?

[Chris90]

BMW NA fockheads need to bring this car here now!

http://www.carenthusiast.com/bmw/bmw_1series2005_002.jpg

The Ring in 8:35 min. That's faster than a C32 AMG, an NSX, or S2000!

8:12 - Porsche 993 Turbo (430 HP version)
8:15 - BMW Z8 400 HP
8:17 - Porsche 996 C2
8:18 - Ferrari F355
8:22 - BMW M Coupe 321 HP
8:25 - Audi RS4 375 HP
8:28 - Porsche 993 C2
8:28 - BMW M5 400 HP
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S
8:35 - BMW M3 Coupe 321 HP
8:35 - BMW 130i hatchback
8:37 - Mercedes C32 AMG
8:38 - Honda NSX
8:39 - Honda S2000
8:40 - Chevrolet Corvette
8:42 - Audi S4 265 HP
8:42 - Lotus Exige
8:49 - Jaguar XKR Coupe
8:52 - Mercedes CLK 430

[2008-230i]

how much is it gonna cost? rumored to start at 25000. and truth to it???
That price first appeared before the 130i was announced. It was the estimate of the 1 with a 6 in it... and it was thought that it would be the 125i. So $25000 was the estimate for the 125i, and when the 130i was announced that price somehow got attached since that is the only 6 cylinder 1 that has been confirmed.

[kyfdx]

how much is it gonna cost? rumored to start at 25000. and truth to it???

This is just a WAG, but I see a loaded 130i going for $35K-$37K MSRP...

Does that sound high? Well, a new 330i with typical options will be about $42K-$45K..

[Chris90]

This is just a WAG, but I see a loaded 130i going for $35K-$37K MSRP...

Does that sound high? Well, a new 330i with typical options will be about $42K-$45K..

Loaded 330 for $42k? LOL. you can't even get a loaded E46 for that.

But I agree on the 130i, not a chance in hell it'll start at $25k, more like $29,995.

[AB]

BMW NA fockheads need to bring this car here now!

http://www.carenthusiast.com/bmw/bmw_1series2005_002.jpg

The Ring in 8:35 min. That's faster than a C32 AMG, an NSX, or S2000!

8:12 - Porsche 993 Turbo (430 HP version)
8:15 - BMW Z8 400 HP
8:17 - Porsche 996 C2
8:18 - Ferrari F355
8:22 - BMW M Coupe 321 HP
8:25 - Audi RS4 375 HP
8:28 - Porsche 993 C2
8:28 - BMW M5 400 HP
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S
8:35 - BMW M3 Coupe 321 HP
8:35 - BMW 130i hatchback
8:37 - Mercedes C32 AMG
8:38 - Honda NSX
8:39 - Honda S2000
8:40 - Chevrolet Corvette
8:42 - Audi S4 265 HP
8:42 - Lotus Exige
8:49 - Jaguar XKR Coupe
8:52 - Mercedes CLK 430

I am definitely surprised by this :yikes:

[Chris90]

I am definitely surprised by this :yikes:

Impressive yeah. I'm surprised BMW NA thinks that car won't sell here. Or maybe the problem is that it would sell.

[hugh1850]

Does the 130i have the new valvtronic 3.0L or is it the same 3.0L found in the e46 (w/euro output)?

[Chris90]

Does the 130i have the new valvtronic 3.0L or is it the same 3.0L found in the e46 (w/euro output)?

It's the new engine.

I haven't heard for sure what the weight of the 130 is, some say 3300 lbs, others 2900 lbs?

[Wallenrod]

Just wait for the M1. That will be one hell of a car. Not only engine but the whole suspension settings, steering etc.
I actually like the new 1 series. I saw it in person few weeks ago in Europe and it looks much much better in person. It's really a cute hatch and that's coming from someone who thinks that new 7, new 5 and Z4 are nightmarishly ugly. It sort of looks like a mild version of E90 except the butt is OK because it's hatch.
130 should be a scortcher. I think 6 seconds (or 5.9 or 5.8 whatever they quote) is very conservative. It's probably handicapped by the diff as BMW probably does not want it to look that much faster than E90 and E60.

[andy_thomas]

Does the 130i have the new valvtronic 3.0L or is it the same 3.0L found in the e46 (w/euro output)?It's the new engine. By September, the old engine will be long gone.

[andy_thomas]

It's the new engine.

I haven't heard for sure what the weight of the 130 is, some say 3300 lbs, others 2900 lbs?
On the basis that the 120i actually weighs a mere 60 kg less than the new 320i, I might expect the 130i to weigh a similar amount less than a 330i - that's 1,465 kg (EU). I will let you translate that into your favourite flavour of lb.

Just to run that past everyone again: the 1 series is around 60 kg lighter than the new 3 series. 60 kg is not that much.

On that basis I doubt a 130i would be significantly faster than a 330i in a straight line, but it persists in being a big deal - indeed, the only deal - for many people. Assuming that drag is negligible, the same driver performs identical gearshifts in each car, and the engines produce identical power, a 130i should post a 0-62mph time of 1465/1525 * 6.3 = 6.06 sec, or 6.1 sec to one significant figure. BMW quotes 6.2 sec. That's a whole 0.1 sec out - practically a lifetime!

Please post *your* essay on 1 series low-speed acceleration here :).

[Chris90]

The 120i curb weight is 1260 kg (2778 lbs).

The 320i curb weight is 1395 kg (3069 lbs)

The 330i curb weight is 1525 kg (3355 lbs)

Extrapolating, the 130i will be no more than 3064 lbs, and probably less, since it might not have a lot of the 330's options.

That's 300+ lbs less than a 330i.

[andy_thomas]

The 120i curb weight is 1260 kg (2778 lbs).

The 320i curb weight is 1395 kg (3069 lbs)

The 330i curb weight is 1525 kg (3355 lbs)

Extrapolating, the 130i will be no more than 3064 lbs, and probably less, since it might not have a lot of the 330's options.

That's 300+ lbs less than a 330i.
Your figure for the 120i is not comparable to those for the 320i and 330i. The 120i weighs 1,335 kg; the figure you quoted does not include the 75 kg of driver and luggage used in EU measurements, although the figures you quote for the 320i and 330i do.

[Chris90]

Your figure for the 120i is not comparable to those for the 320i and 330i. The 120i weighs 1,335 kg; the figure you quoted does not include the 75 kg of driver and luggage used in EU measurements, although the figures you quote for the 320i and 330i do.

Nope, you got it wrong, look it up. The new 330i is not 3190 lbs, trust me. I wish it was!

[andy_thomas]

Nope, you got it wrong, look it up. The new 330i is not 3190 lbs, trust me. I wish it was!
I did - just before I replied. Please use a European BMW website for reference; any of them will do, and you can even improve your language skills while you're at it :). You will find there, as in the press pack, an EU weight measurement of 1,525 kg, which includes 75 kg for driver and luggage. Happy reading!

[Chris90]

I did - just before I replied. Please use a European BMW website for reference; any of them will do, and you can even improve your language skills while you're at it :). You will find there, as in the press pack, an EU weight measurement of 1,525 kg, which includes 75 kg for driver and luggage. Happy reading!

You're funny, why don't you stop patting yourself on the back for a moment and look up the meaning of "unladen weight". :rofl:

1525 kg does not include any load (see 'unladen').

[2008-230i]

From BMW.com:

Weight Unladen:
120i - 1335 [1350]Kg
320i - 1395 [1425]Kg

[] apply to vehicles with six-speed automotic transmission.

[Chris90]

From BMW.com:

Weight Unladen:
120i - 1335 [1350]Kg
320i - 1395 [1425]Kg

[] apply to vehicles with six-speed automotic transmission.

Hmm, no wonder this is so confusing. First of all, the EU "unladen weight" does in fact include driver and luggage, which is a misuse of the term 'unladen' which means without load. And various US .gov sites say "unladen weight" or "curb weight" does not include driver or load.

Comparing bmw.com and bmwusa.com (for the 330Ci which is the same for both), you get this:

BMWUSA unladen weight = 3285 lbs
BMW.com unladen weight = 3311 lbs

So is BMW's US curb weight also including the driver?

[johnf]

Please use a European BMW website for reference; any of them will do, and you can even improve your language skills while you're at it :).Would that include the U.K.? :)

[andy_thomas]

You're funny, why don't you stop patting yourself on the back for a moment and look up the meaning of "unladen weight". :rofl:

I'll do you a deal. I'll stop repeating myself, if you read the small print :).

Have a look at http://www.bmw.co.za/Products/Automobiles/3/Sedan/Specs_330i.asp.

It's South Africa, but these days BMW ZA uses EU standards, where "unladen" means a 68 kg driver and a 7 kg allowance for luggage. Don't ask me why, that's what they do. If your understanding of "unladen" means the car empty of driver or luggage, then you have to subtract the 75 kg.

[andy_thomas]

Hmm, no wonder this is so confusing. First of all, the EU "unladen weight" does in fact include driver and luggage, which is a misuse of the term 'unladen' which means without load. And various US .gov sites say "unladen weight" or "curb weight" does not include driver or load.

You are right, it is confusing. But it is confusing only by 75 kg, which is not much to deal with. If you don't like the way the EU quotes unladen (sic) kerb weights with an assumed weight for driver and luggage, write to them. By the way it's not just BMW:

http://content2.eu.porsche.com/prod/911/carreras.nsf/intenglish/technical_specifications

Comparing bmw.com and bmwusa.com (for the 330Ci which is the same for both), you get this:

BMWUSA unladen weight = 3285 lbs
BMW.com unladen weight = 3311 lbs

So is BMW's US curb weight also including the driver?
It's unlikely. I don't know a lot about SAE standards, Knock 165 lb off the bmw.com "unladen" weight to get a true unladen weight and you get 3146 lb. That's 139 lb lighter than the US car. The US car has more equipment and different safety features (which it does), perhaps heavier bumpers and some passenger-cell ironwork would account for some, and increased equipment levels for the rest. European-market cars, shorn of equipment packages and options, are pretty light on kit.

[andy_thomas]

Would that include the U.K.? :)
Sorry, I meant continental European ;)

[Chris90]

It's unlikely. I don't know a lot about SAE standards, Knock 165 lb off the bmw.com "unladen" weight to get a true unladen weight and you get 3146 lb. That's 139 lb lighter than the US car. The US car has more equipment and different safety features (which it does), perhaps heavier bumpers and some passenger-cell ironwork would account for some, and increased equipment levels for the rest. European-market cars, shorn of equipment packages and options, are pretty light on kit.

NHTSA defines curb weight as:

NHTSA categorizes vehicles by vehicle class and "curb" weight. Curb weight represents the weight of a vehicle with standard equipment including the maximum capacity of fuel, oil, coolant, and air conditioning, if so equipped.

So maybe you're right, US cars are heavier. Maybe the EU should have looked up 'unladen' in the dictionary before they made their standard? Oh well.

Anyway, you guys answered my question, which was what's the real weight of the 130i - probably it's closer to 60 kg lighter than 150 kg lighter. Which sucks.

[Chris90]

Sorry, I meant continental European ;)

UK joined the EU right? So . . . now they are European, like it or not.

[andy_thomas]

Anyway, you guys answered my question, which was what's the real weight of the 130i - probably it's closer to 60 kg lighter than 150 kg lighter. Which sucks.
It certainly does - just like the EU's contrarian approach to weights and measures (whatever happened to truly international standards?).

That the 3er manages to weigh little, if anything, more than the outgoing car, and provide more passenger room and luggage space, is commendable. (Not all of us like big cars, but it has a wider track, and that's generally a good thing.) That the 1er manages to weigh as much as a 3er, cost as much as a 3er, but offer perhaps 80% of its functionality is not.

[Jeff_DML]

BMW NA fockheads need to bring this car here now!

http://www.carenthusiast.com/bmw/bmw_1series2005_002.jpg

The Ring in 8:35 min. That's faster than a C32 AMG, an NSX, or S2000!

8:12 - Porsche 993 Turbo (430 HP version)
8:15 - BMW Z8 400 HP
8:17 - Porsche 996 C2
8:18 - Ferrari F355
8:22 - BMW M Coupe 321 HP
8:25 - Audi RS4 375 HP
8:28 - Porsche 993 C2
8:28 - BMW M5 400 HP
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S
8:35 - BMW M3 Coupe 321 HP
8:35 - BMW 130i hatchback
8:37 - Mercedes C32 AMG
8:38 - Honda NSX
8:39 - Honda S2000
8:40 - Chevrolet Corvette
8:42 - Audi S4 265 HP
8:42 - Lotus Exige
8:49 - Jaguar XKR Coupe
8:52 - Mercedes CLK 430

anytimes for the E90 330i?

TIA

I am with dawg, it would be nice if BMW built a lighter weight sporty car, i.e. new version of the mcoupe. I sort of have/had hopes of the 1 series being it

[Jspeed]

So how does the 130i manage to lap the Ring as fast as an M3 when it's only marginally lighter than the 330??? :yikes:

[andy_thomas]

So how does the 130i manage to lap the Ring as fast as an M3 when it's only marginally lighter than the 330??? :yikes:
I read somewhere that the 330i's time was 8.45, or something like that - not far off the 130i's proposed time. If a 1,730 kg Jaguar S-Type diesel can get round in 9.12 with traffic (from an episode of UK's Top Gear with one of the Ring-Taxi drivers at the wheel)...

[hector]

So how does the 130i manage to lap the Ring as fast as an M3 when it's only marginally lighter than the 330??? :yikes:



i suspect that for a given power to weight ratio a smaller more maneuverable car will have a faster track time, i have generally observed this with to respect to slalom times and suspect that it would extrapolate to the track.

[tagheuer]

I read somewhere that the 330i's time was 8.45, or something like that - not far off the 130i's proposed time. If a 1,730 kg Jaguar S-Type diesel can get round in 9.12 with traffic (from an episode of UK's Top Gear with one of the Ring-Taxi drivers at the wheel)...

I'm confused as to why you don't seem to like the 130. Lets face it, it will be cheaper than the 330 with the same power and with a better power to weight ratio.

I disagree with you on your statement that the 130 has maybe 80% of the functionality of a 330. Can you fit a 27 inch tv in the back of a 330? Hatchbacks are much more useful for carrying cargo.

[Chris90]

So how does the 130i manage to lap the Ring as fast as an M3 when it's only marginally lighter than the 330??? :yikes:

It's probably not marginal, it may be over 200 lbs lighter, we don't know. Moonroof and power seats seem standard on the 330i, maybe they're not on the 130? Then it could be closer to 300 lbs lighter.

It's as fast as an E36 M3 (almost), which is two generations older in suspension & braking.

[andy_thomas]

I'm confused as to why you don't seem to like the 130. Lets face it, it will be cheaper than the 330 with the same power and with a better power to weight ratio.

Personally? The 1 series in general does not appeal to me, in ways quite unlike practically any BMW car of the last twenty years. The crushingly expensive prices set by BMW GB don't help, nor do the dismal equipment levels (we're back to the 80's with this one, and not in a good way) or rear legroom. A good few seconds off the 'Ring lap time is no good if you can't even fit your kid in a child seat behind either of the front seats when occupied. And why does it weigh so much?

I copped a load of grief off the 1 series fan base last time I had a go at its all-round risibility. I still don't like it :). Maybe as a three-door it would have made a bit more sense to me.

I disagree with you on your statement that the 130 has maybe 80% of the functionality of a 330. Can you fit a 27 inch tv in the back of a 330? Hatchbacks are much more useful for carrying cargo.
Fair point, but then you have a two-seater. With the rear seats in place, the luggage compartment is very small. I would suggest trying a 1er for size, then comparing it (a) to a 3er touring, and (b) to a VW Golf V. The 1er sits very uncomfortably between the two.