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BrettInLJ
03-11-2005, 11:54 AM
I recently purchased a '93 525i (dark green) and practically every square inch of the paint has swril marks visible in any kind of light and the oxidation is obvious. The swirl marks are heavy, but there are no scratches that penetrate the paint. What is the best strategy for me to restore the finish. I live in the city, so to wash the car myself, I have to go to a self-wash. I can do clay/waxing, etc in my parking garage.

Here was what I was thinking:
1) Dawn soap wash
2) Clay bar
3) Paint cleaner? Polish? (I need advice here, and will probably need to do this by hand)
4) Meguairs NXT techwax

Am I on the right track?

After the clay bar, I would need to drive the car somewhere to wash it before the next step. I may divide and conquer, doing a different section of the car on different weekends.

NH-SHICKS
03-11-2005, 12:51 PM
You are on track, but you won't be able to remove the swirls without some good polish and a machine polisher like the porter cable. Your arm will fall off before you effectivly remove any swirls by hand. I use the poorboy's porducts and they are incredible.

NXT will do little to nothing on swirls, maybe just hide them a little until it wears off.

here is a before and after of my 4runner hood.

Before

http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/18990acidrain.jpg

After

http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/18990photos_624.jpg

http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/18990geen3.jpg

http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/18990green1.jpg

http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/18990green2.jpg

http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/18990greentree.jpg

http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/18990s100water.jpg

Artslinger
03-11-2005, 12:55 PM
If it was my heavily swirled and oxidized paint here is what I would do:

1. Clay bar
2. Using a Porter Cable buffer, start with the Griot's machine polish 1, then go to the 2, and finish with the 3.
3. Klasse AIO
4. Klasse SG (if you havenít had enough already)
5. Your favorite wax

BrettInLJ
03-11-2005, 01:24 PM
If it was my heavily swirled and oxidized paint here is what I would do:

1. Clay bar
2. Using a Porter Cable buffer, start with the Griot's machine polish 1, then go to the 2, and finish with the 3.
3. Klasse AIO
4. Klasse SG (if you havenít had enough already)
5. Your favorite wax

What do the Kasse AIO and Klasse SG do? The machine polish will be hard because there is now power outlet in my parking garage. I will have to have a professional do this I guess.

Artslinger
03-11-2005, 01:34 PM
What do the Kasse AIO and Klasse SG do? The machine polish will be hard because there is now power outlet in my parking garage. I will have to have a professional do this I guess.



Klasse.

http://www.properautocare.com/klasapguid.html

Do you know anyone with a garage? I use my parents garage becuase it is easier than using the garage in my condo building. If you use a professional they will more than likely want to use their own detailing products.

BrettInLJ
03-11-2005, 01:51 PM
Klasse.

http://www.properautocare.com/klasapguid.html

Do you know anyone with a garage? I use my parents garage becuase it is easier than using the garage in my condo building. If you use a professional they will more than likely want to use their own detailing products.

I know... living in West Hollywood means pretty much everyone I know within driving distance lives in a condo or apartment. City living vs. suburbia has its disadvantages. I will probably try the polish by hand, which will take care of the oxidation, and just have to wax more often to hide the swirl marks.

BahnBaum
03-11-2005, 02:34 PM
I had awesome results with an oxidized car using Menzerna Intensive Polish, Menzerna Final Polish, Klasse AIO and several coats of Klasse SG. I can not imagine having to do that by hand. I'd hold off until I had access to using a PC or similar buffer.

http://AlexTBaum.smugmug.com/photos/8995823-M.jpg

Alex

Chris325i
03-11-2005, 04:52 PM
I know... living in West Hollywood means pretty much everyone I know within driving distance lives in a condo or apartment. City living vs. suburbia has its disadvantages. I will probably try the polish by hand, which will take care of the oxidation, and just have to wax more often to hide the swirl marks.

You can probably take care of it by hand, but it will be a lot of work. I would not expect to do it in one day. As far as oxidation, the horizontal surfaces like hood, trunk, roof are probably the worst so maybe you could start with those. Maybe do one or two panels each weekend after washing the car, you'd be done in a few weeks. Hand polishing will get rid of the oxidation but will probably not get out heavy swirls.

BrettInLJ
03-11-2005, 05:17 PM
You can probably take care of it by hand, but it will be a lot of work. I would not expect to do it in one day. As far as oxidation, the horizontal surfaces like hood, trunk, roof are probably the worst so maybe you could start with those. Maybe do one or two panels each weekend after washing the car, you'd be done in a few weeks. Hand polishing will get rid of the oxidation but will probably not get out heavy swirls.

Thanks for the advice. I was actually planning to do a few panels each weekend anyway, starting with the hood. I'm sure it will look a lot better than it does now either way.

xspeedy
03-11-2005, 05:50 PM
Meguiars Deep Crystal cleaner. About $6 at your local auto parts store.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23026

BrettInLJ
03-14-2005, 01:47 PM
Meguiars Deep Crystal cleaner. About $6 at your local auto parts store.


Very nice. Was that done with the PC or by hand?

Alex Baumann
03-14-2005, 01:49 PM
Very nice. Was that done with the PC or by hand?

must be with a PC, I don't think that you can get those results by hand (unless you have biceps like Arnold Schwarzenegger)