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bill92
04-03-2005, 06:23 PM
Hello all, I've been lurking the various bmw forums since I bought my X3 last May. I decided to join this one, since you all cover the topics I'm most interested in.

My X3 has a 01/04 build date, so has all the early generation issues.
It is a 3.0 in Titanium silver, with gray leather interior. Maple sycamore wood trim.
Sport,Premium,Cold weather,Steptronic,Xenon,PDC,Privacy glass, and has towing package.

I had initial oil change done at 8k, at my expense, because I'm not comfortable with going 15k yet.
I just had the 15K service done, and thought I'd relate the results of my issues.
Missing flashlight-Dealer installed.
Noise from front suspension-told dealer about "front sway bar end links" discussed on this forum. Service manager said they don't go by internet recommendations, but when I went to pick it up, he told me new bushings on order for front sway bar end links, and he will call me back in when parts arrive.
Drivers side window frequently stops partway up and then goes back down about 1 inch, service manager said nothing appeared wrong, and couldn't fix anything. Hasn't done it since I got it back-so somehow works OK now.
Engine coolant smell-I went through about 1 quart in 15k, dealer said is normal after shutting off car. They must have topped if off, because when I got home it puked about a cup on the garage floor from the overflow.
Noise(high pitched) from roof at high speed(70 to 85 mph), sounds like hitting harmonic frequency. I believe it is related to the gap at front of roof rack. I stuffed this gap with paper one road trip, and it seemed to eliminate noise. This is temperature dependent, higher the temperature, lower the speed it occurs. Does NOT happen with ambient temperature below 70f. Dealer couldn't recreate-It was 45f that day...
Water gurgling noise in panoramic roof after rain/washing. Open&shut roof to clear. Dealer said was frequent complaint, but doesn't have a fix.
Bluetooth doesn't work with my Motorola v710 with latest software rev. Dealer would have to disable BMW Assist, and replace bluetooth module. Would cost me 1200, I said never mind.

This X3 was bought for my wife, who quit driving it because she has a bad back with a metal plate in it, and found it difficult to get in and out of, due to the side bolsters on the sport bucket seats. You do have to twist a little to get in. So it is now my hand me down, and she is driving the car I always wanted - a 325Ci!!!!

My son and I took the 2 day driving school in Spartansburg, SC last week. Great fun, and you learn along the way. I highly recommed every BMW owner treat themselves to this driving school. You owe it to yourself. The "Rides" are 10 times better than Disneyworld....
I discussed the X3 stiff ride with the staff in Spartansburg, in order to stay within the prescribed BMW handling parameters, the suspension in the X3 had to be really stiff.

Bottom line, I'm now hooked on BMW 3 series performance/handling. Yea I know the X3 is not really a 3 series, but it is pretty close.

jdeday
04-03-2005, 09:25 PM
I wasn't aware that the 04 models where bluetooth capable?

jliu34740
04-03-2005, 09:49 PM
Bill92 could you share with us exactly what went on in the driving school? Details please

Laosk
04-04-2005, 11:14 AM
My son and I took the 2 day driving school in Spartansburg, SC last week. Great fun, and you learn along the way. I highly recommed every BMW owner treat themselves to this driving school. You owe it to yourself. The "Rides" are 10 times better than Disneyworld....
I discussed the X3 stiff ride with the staff in Spartansburg, in order to stay within the prescribed BMW handling parameters, the suspension in the X3 had to be really stiff.



Mmmm Yes, details please.
TIA!

bill92
04-04-2005, 06:36 PM
I wasn't aware that the 04 models where bluetooth capable?

There was Bluetooth paperwork with the vehicle. It had and ESN #, so I assume the cellphone built in for BMW ASSIST uses Bluetooth in the vehicle. Maybe if I drop the BMW ASSIST I'll make the switch.

bill92
04-04-2005, 07:12 PM
Bill92 could you share with us exactly what went on in the driving school? Details please

I didn't take notes, but will take notes and Pictures when I take my wife back in June.

Favorite instructor quote, "A squealing tire is a Happy Tire!"

You are driving 2005 330's with the performance package & Steptronic.
They will be switching to the 2006 330's this summer.

You share the car with one other driver, and they have two way radio's in each car so the instructor can talk to you.

You learn proper seating position, dead pedal usage, and proper side mirror adustment to eliminate the dead zone.
NOTE: All drills start at a slow speed - around 35 MPH, and are done over and over again at increasing rates of speed(Max of 70MPH) The instructors are very good at ensuring everyone has mastered one speed, before advancing to higher speeds. They are also very observent of proper hand placement on steering wheel, where you are looking, etc.
You practice weaving through cones at increasing rates of speed.(Steering control)
You learn to look where you want to go, not at what you want to avoid.
You practice emergency braking, first with antilocks turned off, then for the remainder of the training sessions with antilocks on.
I successfully "Un learned" my old style braking habits.
If you need brakes NOW - Hammer them as hard as you can. We practiced emergency braking at speeds up to 70 MPH in a curve. You can continue to steer with full brakes applied.
We practiced taking the curves with the proper APEX, they have different colored cones to help you know where the APEX is, and where you should be pointing the car.
We practiced precision braking - as if you were going to come into your garage at high speed!!
We learned how to come out of slides & spins on the skid pad. The instructor is in the car for this one, and applies the emergency brake to surprise you with the spin. DSC is turned off for this training. If you take the 2 day course, you try it with DSC turned on.
DSC should save you from just about any skid at reasonable speed.
We learned accident avoidance. This is where I learned how manuverable the BMW is. You literally turn the steering wheel 180 degrees as fast as you can, and back again to avoid obstacle.
Some of the drills are done against a time clock so you can tell if you are improving.
Friendly competion is allowed, and makes it more enjoyable.
There is a second skid pad where we were given a chance to compete each other in a controlled enviroment.
If you take the two day course, you finish by test driving other cars. I tried the Z4 with SMG, M3 with SMG, 645 with Steptronic, and 545 with Steptronic. We finished the 2nd day by driving the X4 on their off road course.
There is much more that I will try to document when I take my wife.

My son took the teen course at the same time. From talking to him, the course was pretty much the same, but they didn't promote friendly competiton, or put them under pressure with elapsed time runs. They also didn't let them drive the M3!

Following is an excerpt from their brochure.

"Become a safer more confident driver with BMW's Car Control School. In this one or two day course you will:
Recognize and avoid dangerous driving situations before they happen.
Experience and learn to control a skid on wet and slippery road surfaces, in the controlled and safe environment of our skid pad.
Master emergency accident avoidance maneuvers
Learn advanced braking techniques - with and without ABS
Select the ideal seating position for awareness, comfort and safety
Grasp the essentials of eye-hand coordination
Enjoy driving a high-performance vehicle with confidence.

It is 550 for the one day course, and 895 for the two day. It may sound like a lot of money, but it is worth every penny.

iChick
04-04-2005, 07:21 PM
That sounds fantastic. Thanks for all the info. I think me and Mr. iChick will try and get to one of these. :thumbup:

Laosk
04-04-2005, 11:40 PM
"A squealing tire is a Happy Tire!"

We practiced emergency braking at speeds up to 70 MPH in a curve. You can continue to steer with full brakes applied.

:wow:

I think I may have to keep my eyes open for one in the Northwest!
Sounds like a blast :thumbup:

jliu34740
04-05-2005, 01:17 AM
:wow:

I think I may have to keep my eyes open for one in the Northwest!
Sounds like a blast :thumbup:

Is there one in Northwest? I thought driving school is in SC only. Where does one go to find their schedule? I checked BMW Experience link off bmwusa.com site and it says to call the 800 number.

climrgrl
04-05-2005, 11:22 AM
Mr. iChick :thumbup:
LOL! That's great!

Laosk
04-05-2005, 03:17 PM
Is there one in Northwest? I thought driving school is in SC only.

:dunno:

Uhhhh...You could be absolutely correct. For some odd reason I was thinking that driving schools happen in a few places across the country every once in a while.
I am going to do some more searching on this.
After reading that and tellin' the ms. about it, we are down for whereever we have to go.
It would be nice if there was one in the NW though....
1st day - track, skid pad, etc..
2nd day - Off road maneuvering in the X3.

EDIT: I think I'm going to join up here and see what these guys do.
http://www.bmwpugetsound.com/

Ok I think I've hijacked this thread enough!
:rofl:

JG
04-05-2005, 07:57 PM
Following are the different courses provided by BMW Canada.

Most are offered in Toronto or Montreal with Fascination series at Mont Tremblant Quebec.

The Advanced I course introduces key basic elements vital to improving your driving, such as seating position, steering technique, and braking. Elementary vehicle dynamics are highlighted in a short in-class session prior to driving. Exercises include emergency braking with and without ABS as well as obstacle avoidance. Advanced I also takes a look at typical driving scenarios encountered during everyday driving (35-70 km/h) and how to respond to them. ($290 Canadian)


The Advanced II Driver Training course brings the fundamentals of confident, safe driving together in an exciting one-day course designed to allow drivers to explore the limits of vehicle control.

Advanced II covers key elements vital to improving driving, such as seating position, steering technique, and vehicle dynamics. Exercises include emergency braking with and without ABS, brake and avoid in slippery conditions, and front and rear wheel skid control (under- and oversteer). Advanced II Driver Training also takes an in-depth look at typical driving scenarios encountered during inner-city driving (35-70 km/h) and how to respond to them. To end the session, participants compete against other participants in a slalom, challenging them to utilize the skills learned throughout the day. ($480 Canadian)

After completing the Advanced II course, drivers may take the next level with this intensive, single-day course that has been designed to refine their skills on the road at inter-city speeds (60-90 km/h).

BMW Perfection Driver Training simulates a number of different critical emergency situations that you may encounter at speeds on more open stretches of road. Participants will practice braking to a designated stop, braking on uneven surfaces, and take part in increasingly difficult read-and-react challenges. Building on Advanced II, participants will attempt to master holding oversteer around a 180-degree curve. At the end of the day, drivers get behind the wheel of a BMW M3 Coupé on a kidney-shaped autocross course in a competition sure to get their adrenaline pumping. ($870 Canadian)

The BMW Fascination I Driver Training course represents the ultimate in driver training. With two days of training, conducted exclusively using the dedicated BMW M3 fleet featuring SMG transmissions, this course is designed for true driving enthusiasts. Elements specifically developed for this course include exciting track exercises, high-speed ideal-line cornering, high-speed lane changes, track lapping, and a range of specialist skills. To end the program, instructors take participants as passengers on a thrilling "hot lap" of the circuit.

Each day opens with a brief theory session over breakfast at the host hotel followed by driving exercises on the track. Lunch is catered on both days of the course onsite. In addition, a group dinner for the participants is held on the evening of the first day of the course.

The course price does not include transportation or lodging. Preferred room rates will be available at the host hotel of Fascination I & II, based on availability. ($3150 Canadian)

The highest level of training offered by BMW Driver Training in Canada. This one day track course offers drivers who have completed Fascination I the opportunity to further practice their skills under the watchful eye of a BMW Driver Training Instructor. Participants will begin the day with warm-up exercises including braking-and-downshifting and controlling oversteer through a corner to refamiliarize themselves with the M3 Coupé. Once they are warmed up, participants will experience multiple lapping sessions for the remainder of the day under the tutelage of the BMW Driver Training Team.

The day opens with a brief theory session over breakfast at the host hotel followed by driving exercises and lapping at the track. Lunch is catered onsite.

The course price does not include transportation or lodging. Preferred room rates will be available at the host hotel of Fascination I & II, based on availability. ($1650 Canadian)

In addition there is a winter driving course:

Spend two days experiencing Canadian winter as can only be experienced in a BMW. On day one challenge yourself in driving exercises on a frozen skid-pad (the Ottawa River) including reverse 180s, obstacle avoidance, and controlling rear-wheel skids. On day two, test your limits and use your knowledge from day one on backwoods logging roads. These roads are closed to the public and will be groomed exclusively for BMW Winter Driver Training. This is what awaits those who dare attend this exhilarating engagement.

Price includes 3 nights accommodation, 2 days instruction, 3 breakfasts, 2 lunches, 2 dinners, insurance.

It does not include air/ground travel costs to/from Fairmont Le Château Montebello, accommodation costs of non-participant guests, food and beverages for non-participant guests and room upgrades. ($2950 Canadian)

iChick
04-05-2005, 09:49 PM
Is there one in Northwest? I thought driving school is in SC only. Where does one go to find their schedule? I checked BMW Experience link off bmwusa.com site and it says to call the 800 number.

We sure could use a school here on the West Coast. Yoo hoo, BMW, are you lurking??

wingrove
04-23-2005, 09:06 PM
Thanks Bill82, interesting to note the list of '04 niggles!

Do you or others know what of those have been fixed for '05 and what still plague the new model?
ta
jas

Maxey
05-23-2006, 04:50 PM
Hello all, I've been lurking the various bmw forums since I bought my X3 last May. I decided to join this one, since you all cover the topics I'm most interested in.

My X3 has a 01/04 build date, so has all the early generation issues.
It is a 3.0 in Titanium silver, with gray leather interior. Maple sycamore wood trim.
Sport,Premium,Cold weather,Steptronic,Xenon,PDC,Privacy glass, and has towing package.

I had initial oil change done at 8k, at my expense, because I'm not comfortable with going 15k yet.
I just had the 15K service done, and thought I'd relate the results of my issues.
Missing flashlight-Dealer installed.
Noise from front suspension-told dealer about "front sway bar end links" discussed on this forum. Service manager said they don't go by internet recommendations, but when I went to pick it up, he told me new bushings on order for front sway bar end links, and he will call me back in when parts arrive.
Drivers side window frequently stops partway up and then goes back down about 1 inch, service manager said nothing appeared wrong, and couldn't fix anything. Hasn't done it since I got it back-so somehow works OK now.
Engine coolant smell-I went through about 1 quart in 15k, dealer said is normal after shutting off car. They must have topped if off, because when I got home it puked about a cup on the garage floor from the overflow.
Noise(high pitched) from roof at high speed(70 to 85 mph), sounds like hitting harmonic frequency. I believe it is related to the gap at front of roof rack. I stuffed this gap with paper one road trip, and it seemed to eliminate noise. This is temperature dependent, higher the temperature, lower the speed it occurs. Does NOT happen with ambient temperature below 70f. Dealer couldn't recreate-It was 45f that day...
Water gurgling noise in panoramic roof after rain/washing. Open&shut roof to clear. Dealer said was frequent complaint, but doesn't have a fix.
Bluetooth doesn't work with my Motorola v710 with latest software rev. Dealer would have to disable BMW Assist, and replace bluetooth module. Would cost me 1200, I said never mind.

This X3 was bought for my wife, who quit driving it because she has a bad back with a metal plate in it, and found it difficult to get in and out of, due to the side bolsters on the sport bucket seats. You do have to twist a little to get in. So it is now my hand me down, and she is driving the car I always wanted - a 325Ci!!!!

My son and I took the 2 day driving school in Spartansburg, SC last week. Great fun, and you learn along the way. I highly recommed every BMW owner treat themselves to this driving school. You owe it to yourself. The "Rides" are 10 times better than Disneyworld....
I discussed the X3 stiff ride with the staff in Spartansburg, in order to stay within the prescribed BMW handling parameters, the suspension in the X3 had to be really stiff.

Bottom line, I'm now hooked on BMW 3 series performance/handling. Yea I know the X3 is not really a 3 series, but it is pretty close.

Hi Bill'
Just a note on the panoramic roof In the X3world forum they say there is a fix for gurgling roofs by way of a valve on the drain tube BMW knows about this/
Maxey:)