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dlp1raddad
04-18-2005, 06:28 PM
I am trying to determine if the X3 will be getting the same updated engines currently going into the new 330i. If so, I would be willing to wait as I believe this engine has been updated with VANOS technology. Anyone know anything?

Thanks,

LP

dherzfeld
04-18-2005, 07:17 PM
My guess is they would wait until at least MY07 to complete at least three model years with the existing design, and then Bangle-ize the X3 like the rest of the line, including the new engine. It just seems to make sense from a marketing perspective. I'm not in the car design and marketing business, but I don't think it would make sense to go to the expense of fitting a new engine into the existing X3 chasis, only to turn around a year or two later and redesign the whole vehicle.

I personally would like to see a couple years of the new engine in the mainstream marketplace before I bought one anyway. There is a lot of new technology that needs to be proven in the general car-buying public.

The Other Tom
04-18-2005, 07:40 PM
My guess is they would wait until at least MY07 to complete at least three model years with the existing design, and then Bangle-ize the X3 like the rest of the line, including the new engine. It just seems to make sense from a marketing perspective. I'm not in the car design and marketing business, but I don't think it would make sense to go to the expense of fitting a new engine into the existing X3 chasis, only to turn around a year or two later and redesign the whole vehicle.

I personally would like to see a couple years of the new engine in the mainstream marketplace before I bought one anyway. There is a lot of new technology that needs to be proven in the general car-buying public.

I don't think the mid model year facelift has anything to do with using the new engine. Aren't they putting the new 3.0L in the 5er ? My guess is MY06 for the X3. Just a guess, though.

dherzfeld
04-18-2005, 08:28 PM
Aren't they putting the new 3.0L in the 5er ?

Yes - and that may blow up my point. Like I say, I'm not in the business.

On the BMWUSA website, the same bore/stroke/compression ratio are shown for both the 525/530 2.5 and 3.0 ltr engines, but the HP's are different at 215 and 255 respectively. Typo I guess?

xspeedy
04-18-2005, 08:51 PM
Yes - and that may blow up my point. Like I say, I'm not in the business.

On the BMWUSA website, the same bore/stroke/compression ratio are shown for both the 525/530 2.5 and 3.0 ltr engines, but the HP's are different at 215 and 255 respectively. Typo I guess?

No typo. Both engines are the same 3.0 units. The 525i gets a detuned version with a single stage exhaust.

dherzfeld
04-19-2005, 05:42 AM
No typo. Both engines are the same 3.0 units. The 525i gets a detuned version with a single stage exhaust.

So they call it a 525 because..........?

Nick325xiT 5spd
04-19-2005, 05:59 AM
Because they've detuned it to the power a 2.5 should make as the 2.5 wouldn't pass emissions.

Aaron325iT
04-19-2005, 02:43 PM
So they call it a 525 because..........?

For the same reason that: a '99-'00 2.5l E46 was called a 323i, and the same reason the '06 E65 with a 4.8l V8 is called a 750i, and the E46 with a 2.0 litre four was labelled 318i (and the 1.8 was a 316i), and the 320i that we got here in Canada had a 2.2 litre six. Marketing, and positioning different models within a series. I guess they're trying not to confuse the average consumer who really doesn't care much about how many cc's are under the hood.

The new E60 272hp 3.0l diesel with twin turbos is called a 535d, just to give you another example. We'll never see that cool engine (413 lb ft!!!) but that's another story.

dherzfeld
04-19-2005, 07:42 PM
For the same reason that: a '99-'00 2.5l E46 was called a 323i, and the same reason the '06 E65 with a 4.8l V8 is called a 750i, and the E46 with a 2.0 litre four was labelled 318i (and the 1.8 was a 316i), and the 320i that we got here in Canada had a 2.2 litre six. Marketing, and positioning different models within a series. I guess they're trying not to confuse the average consumer who really doesn't care much about how many cc's are under the hood.

The new E60 272hp 3.0l diesel with twin turbos is called a 535d, just to give you another example. We'll never see that cool engine (413 lb ft!!!) but that's another story.

Good information, though somewhat confusing for a non-historian of BMW model designations.

acitydweller
05-01-2005, 04:38 AM
that just shows that you should always check under the bonnet, or hood ;)

x3man
05-01-2005, 05:25 AM
I am trying to determine if the X3 will be getting the same updated engines currently going into the new 330i. If so, I would be willing to wait as I believe this engine has been updated with VANOS technology. Anyone know anything?

Thanks,

LP

The current 3.0l in at least the 2005 and probably 2004 is dual-VANOS already.

dherzfeld
05-01-2005, 08:42 PM
My dealer more or less confirms that the new 3.0i engine will be available in the MY 2006 X3. Presumably with higher prices. Order now to get the 225HP six or wait till fall to order the new 255HP six. There may be some good deals to be had on the inventory 2005 X3's.

torzeck
05-05-2005, 01:41 AM
My guess is they would wait until at least MY07 to complete at least three model years with the existing design, and then Bangle-ize the X3 like the rest of the line, including the new engine. It just seems to make sense from a marketing perspective. I'm not in the car design and marketing business, but I don't think it would make sense to go to the expense of fitting a new engine into the existing X3 chasis, only to turn around a year or two later and redesign the whole vehicle.

I personally would like to see a couple years of the new engine in the mainstream marketplace before I bought one anyway. There is a lot of new technology that needs to be proven in the general car-buying public.

2004 5 series ,the new 6, and the Z4.

pipo
05-05-2005, 04:00 PM
that just shows that you should always check under the bonnet, or hood ;)

Personally, I prefer to check under both the bonnet and the skirt. :bareass: