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Inv3ctiv3
04-24-2005, 11:13 PM
Wow, I gotta say congrats man, you damn near hit a E39 M5, my car and 2 of my buddies cars. Sorry but I just thought that was an incredibly stupid thing to do there, I am all for donuts and drifting but not when the street is lined on both sides with cars :thumbdwn: Luckily there weren't too many accidents or anything this year.

AirborneDEN
04-24-2005, 11:15 PM
I saw a estoril m3, maybe same one? Parked on the side of the road (SB roads were packed and small as it is already) with some buddies revving at cars as they passed by) I also saw the same one doing a slide getting onto a street.

timers
04-24-2005, 11:16 PM
Ya guy seemed like a jackass, trying to show off for his girl I think. People like this seem to ruin it, but luckily not much went down.

OMGZ, you drive a BMW!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Inv3ctiv3
04-24-2005, 11:16 PM
I saw a estoril m3, maybe same one? Parked on the side of the road (SB roads were packed and small as it is already) with some buddies revving at cars as they passed by) I also saw the same one doing a slide getting onto a street.
I got a tad bit sideways leaving INO on Friday for the camera guy but there weren't other cars around to hit. And yea, when he first got off the offramp he drifted and almost hit the M5, corrected and almost hit my car. Then as we were leaving he decides to do a donut and comes close to getting two of my friends cars then as he tries to end the donut he comes close to the cars on the on ramp waiting to leave so he turns and almost hits the guardrail.

PhAzEd330
04-24-2005, 11:27 PM
Ya, this year seems like there were too many dumbasses on the drive.

People were doing donuts, peeling out, and cutting people off left and right.

Kaz
04-24-2005, 11:30 PM
Ya, this year seems like there were too many dumbasses on the drive.

People were doing donuts, peeling out, and cutting people off left and right.

Just this year? There are plenty of morons every year.

surfcitydude
04-25-2005, 12:20 AM
I've been to the Porsche Parade and never seen such a bunch of idiotic drivers and pimpmobiles like this event. Congrats guys, you've reduced the german engineering into techno-jappo crapo. :thumbdwn:

scottn2retro
04-25-2005, 12:40 AM
Just this year? There are plenty of morons every year.

I didn't go, but sounds like the jack@ss factor was particularly high this year.

I've been to the Porsche Parade and never seen such a bunch of idiotic drivers and pimpmobiles like this event. Congrats guys, you've reduced the german engineering into techno-jappo crapo

Unfortunately that's the kind of opinion that can result from just a small minority of stupid people. After years of trying to get the Roundel and chief editor Satch to consider Bimmerfest worthy of covering, he finally made it this year. I hope that's not the impression we left him with.

m34ever
04-25-2005, 12:44 AM
who were those two guys sliding sideways onto the onramp at the first meeting point, they had 1/2 a lane of room and they both come in sliding sideways nearly hitting parked cars, the guardrail and eachother. I think it was a estoril and hellrot m3.

marvelphx
04-25-2005, 12:53 AM
That same M3 cut my friend off and he slammed into the median wrecking his E36... didnt even stay at the scene...

Jon Shafer
04-25-2005, 01:02 AM
That same M3 cut my friend off and he slammed into the median wrecking his E36... didnt even stay at the scene...
Different person Todd... That was a LSB M3...

Btw, how was the drive back to Arizona??

SONET
04-25-2005, 01:04 AM
Just this year? There are plenty of morons every year.
...which is why I never attend. :thumbdwn:

--SONET

sk8ermoo
04-25-2005, 01:08 AM
Haha that guy was crazy. It was kinda cool seeing it when he wasn't near my car. Then he started doing crazy **** near my car and that's when I got scared and mad. Oh well what can you do.

Inv3ctiv3
04-25-2005, 01:13 AM
...which is why I never attend. :thumbdwn:

--SONET
Wow that's too bad, I had soo much fun this year, I always do. There are morons everywhere, that is no reason not to partake in such a great event... :thumbup:

BimmerE30
04-25-2005, 01:40 AM
Haha that guy was crazy. It was kinda cool seeing it when he wasn't near my car. Then he started doing crazy **** near my car and that's when I got scared and mad. Oh well what can you do.

Hey what are you talking about?? He was doing crazy *** so you cut him off and he ran off the road or what?

marvelphx
04-25-2005, 01:42 AM
Sorry about the confusion Jon, Im just upset people have to be idiots...

Anyway, the drive home was great, quick, safe, and no problems cept for an E21 launching a belt. We got home about 830pm.

Haro
04-25-2005, 01:46 AM
I was standing there next to my friend's E39 M5 when it happened. What a jacka$$. I'm looking forward to next year's Bimmerfest, but afraid at the same time. :dunno:

roxnadz
04-25-2005, 01:59 AM
I'd like to know who the jacka$$ at the vista point was - the one who was trying to do doughnuts and was failing miserably. This was happening as the last of the rally cars were passing through. Or how about the numbnut who called himself trying to powerslide into the eastbound lane and actually ended up in the westbound lane, in front of me, as I approached in the reverse direction? Thankfully he corrected, and I reacted in time... :thumbdwn: x 100

I'm honestly glad I did very little caravanning this time...people out there doing stupid stuff would get ME into trouble...thanks, but I'll pass, I happen to like my clean driving record!

elroy
04-25-2005, 02:08 AM
who were those two guys sliding sideways onto the onramp at the first meeting point, they had 1/2 a lane of room and they both come in sliding sideways nearly hitting parked cars, the guardrail and eachother. I think it was a estoril and hellrot m3.

Yeah in general there were a lot of guys with newer M3's trying to act like they're hot **** in a champagne glass. I had a guy in an LSB E36 M3 cut very closely in front of me and then hit his brakes -- like wtf, my car's 14 years old, I may not be able to slow down that fast! I was slowing down to let them get in the front of the pack anyway.

We know it's fast. We're all BMW nerds or we wouldn't be there. Drive fast if you want, but be curteous!


That said, I had a marvelous time. Hope to see you all next year!

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~munsonm/e30/bright.jpg

eneyeengee
04-25-2005, 02:11 AM
i saw that, i was in line waiting to get onto the onramp and all i saw was a bunch of smoke and then an estoril slide toward a bunch of the bimmers lined up.

scottn2retro
04-25-2005, 07:59 AM
I saw a estoril m3, maybe same one? Parked on the side of the road (SB roads were packed and small as it is already) with some buddies revving at cars as they passed by) I also saw the same one doing a slide getting onto a street.

Anybody have it on film or pics that can identify the person?

Cliff
04-25-2005, 08:06 AM
...which is why I never attend. :thumbdwn:

--SONET
Your loss. The majority of us had a great time.

Blacksheep
04-25-2005, 08:07 AM
Funny how in another post people are bashing the police. How much do you wanna bet it's the same turds who are driving like s***?

I would like to see MORE CHP's out there. I also am confident that I won't get a ticket for doing 80 when there are so many volunteers to get one for 100+ and reckless.

RKT BMR
04-25-2005, 08:19 AM
I didn't go on the rally this year for the first time, my fifth bimmerfest, for exactly the reasons I see being talked about here -- I was concerned it would be utter chaos. Looks like I made the right decision.

The event overall was as good (and better in some ways, not as good in a few) than past fests. I'll certainly be there next year, having a great time.

However, we need to get some sort of control over the rally now that the event has grown so big. It was a really cool BMW community "bonding" part of the event in the past because is was more an act of going on a very nice drive together. Now it seems to have become a platform for showing off. Count me out of the latter.

MR 325
04-25-2005, 09:19 AM
Everyone is so high and mighty saying wow these people are dumbasses. I think the road rally went decently well, we had like 5 idiots out of hundreds of cars, not a bad ratio to me. Maybe I missed some of the stupidity sicne I was with some of the E21 guys, I don't know. But I can tell you one thing, the road rally rocked and I would sure as hell do it again.

SergioK
04-25-2005, 09:25 AM
You might not have seen the dumb arses but just as with many things, a select few can ruin it for the many. :thumbdwn:

da3bous
04-25-2005, 09:38 AM
I have to say that the police where pretty cool......I was parked on the side of the road with the crashed White E36 talking to the CHP and he has the two cars he pulled over on tape giving him attitude....plus that 645 was the one doing shoulder passes and the hamann m3 that was holding up traffic below the speed limit

RKT BMR
04-25-2005, 09:40 AM
Everyone is so high and mighty saying wow these people are dumbasses. I think the road rally went decently well, we had like 5 idiots out of hundreds of cars, not a bad ratio to me. Maybe I missed some of the stupidity sicne I was with some of the E21 guys, I don't know. But I can tell you one thing, the road rally rocked and I would sure as hell do it again.I find your attitude disturbing.

This is not a pick-up football game after Thanksgiving dinner on the lawn or something. This is a situation where people's life and limb are at risk from reckless behavoir. So, any deviation from "the rules" is a very serious matter. There's nothing "high and mighty" about demanding 100% perfection from people in this regard. The stakes are very high.

I'm with you if people were harping and slagging on someone for failing to use their turn signal before a lane change. Obviously, though, we're talking about far more serious -- and dangerous -- behavior here than that.

And it is for just that reason that even one moron engaging in some of the antics reported (passing on the shoulder at high speed, flying into a lane merge at 90, donuts, slider-stops, and on and on) deserves and needs to be ostracized and dealt with. The authorities will not allow the rally to happen in the future if this sort of junk continues to spiral out of control.

Such juvenile idiocy was virtually non-existent in previous fests. There was a bit of hot-dogging and speeding, but that was about it. This year much of it crossed a line that I fear has already got some discussion taking place within the conference rooms and offices of the CHP, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Rally has a tough time even being a part of the event next year.

Cliff
04-25-2005, 09:54 AM
Dave, I think sheer size will sink the road rally (and probably Keith's caravan fairly soon) more so than the reckless driving. 270 cars trying to stay together overwhelms a road and any traffic unfortunate enough to be in the vicinity. We had a similar effect on traffic to and from the Bay Area, albeit on a smaller scale.

That said, there are enough fools on the road without our adding to the number.

chpahoy
04-25-2005, 10:02 AM
Cliff3,

I think you hit the nail square on the head on all points. Short and sweet and well said!!!

K

smoothracing
04-25-2005, 10:12 AM
That's why I didn't go on the drive either. I just stayed at the dealership and helped load the cars.

James

RKT BMR
04-25-2005, 10:15 AM
Far be it for me to disagree with chpahoy :D, but thankfully my buddy Cliff is standing there as a pinata so I'll whack at him instead :D :D

I don't disagree with you guys regarding the numbers, and it probably is a lost cause with the Road Rally (although I'm not ready to give up yet).

However, as for the Bay Bimmerz caravan, there's a lot more planning and some control. For example, there definitely are people that would be more than happy to go down later. So, it certainly is within a reasonable possibility to divide the group an stagger caravans, keeping them to 40 cars or so. All the while still being organized as part of the Bay Bimmerz "event".

I suspect we may very well do something like that next year. It would be better, IMO, than having the group break up on it's own due to irritation with its unwieldiness (wow, did I just make up a word? :D)

Cliff
04-25-2005, 10:23 AM
Far be it for me to disagree with chpahoy :D, but thankfully my buddy Cliff is standing there as a pinata so I'll whack at him instead :D :D :asshole: :neener:

So, it certainly is within a reasonable possibility to divide the group an stagger caravans, keeping them to 40 cars or so. All the while still being organized as part of the Bay Bimmerz "event". Agreed

It would be better, IMO, than having the group break up on it's own due to irritation with its unwieldiness (wow, did I just make up a word? :D)
No: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=unwieldiness&x=0&y=0

:p

The HACK
04-25-2005, 10:42 AM
Imagine the amount of liability Cutter Motors and the prepresentatives of Bimmerfest is under if and when there is a fatality crash from one of these guys.

Kiss Bimmerfest goodbye and Cutter Motors goodbye for sure. If you want to continue to have these type of events Jon and reps of Bimmerfest and Cutter, you need to make sure EVERYBODY that comes to these events sign a waiver basically waiving all rights to sue in event of accidental fatality. Because, it is going to happen. And even a liability waiver does not dissolve you and Cutters of all liability and responsibility...

So for those of you who said, it's only a couple of idiots in a group of hundreds, the consequences of their action is much more far reaching than you think. Imagine the amount of liability Bimmerfest (the event and the owners of this site) and Cutters Motor is under here. I don't recall them ever having any sort of waivers you have to sign.

roxnadz
04-25-2005, 10:51 AM
Everyone is so high and mighty saying wow these people are dumbasses. I think the road rally went decently well, we had like 5 idiots out of hundreds of cars, not a bad ratio to me. Maybe I missed some of the stupidity sicne I was with some of the E21 guys, I don't know. But I can tell you one thing, the road rally rocked and I would sure as hell do it again.

'High and mighty?' What's high and mighty about - oh, I dunno, NOT WANTING MY CAR WRECKED? :tsk: We're saying they're dumbasses because they ARE.

It's why I haven't directly participated in the rally myself. Who wants to be a ticket magnet because of those 5 (more like 50) idiots out there thinking they're invincible because they happen to own a BMW?

And yeah, these same cats are probably the ones that talk big smack to guys like chpahoy, who is genuinely a nice guy that has a responsibility to enforce the road laws? I know there are a$$holes in the CHP, but if he were one, why would he be WINNING PRIZES at bimmerfest??

There's really no reason for stupid stunts like this. And in the end, we all end up having to pay for 5 or 10 fools' negligence. Sorry, I'm not okay with that.

SergioK
04-25-2005, 11:28 AM
Imagine the amount of liability Cutter Motors and the prepresentatives of Bimmerfest is under if and when there is a fatality crash from one of these guys.

Kiss Bimmerfest goodbye and Cutter Motors goodbye for sure. If you want to continue to have these type of events Jon and reps of Bimmerfest and Cutter, you need to make sure EVERYBODY that comes to these events sign a waiver basically waiving all rights to sue in event of accidental fatality. Because, it is going to happen. And even a liability waiver does not dissolve you and Cutters of all liability and responsibility...

So for those of you who said, it's only a couple of idiots in a group of hundreds, the consequences of their action is much more far reaching than you think. Imagine the amount of liability Bimmerfest (the event and the owners of this site) and Cutters Motor is under here. I don't recall them ever having any sort of waivers you have to sign.

I don't think you need a liability waiver to drive on public roads. Just because someone at B'fest organizes a road rally on public roads doesn't necessitate the waiver. If this was being held on a private road/track, then yes, but last time I checked, SR-154 was a public road. I think next year I'll give the local PD and CHP offices a call just before everyone 'heads out'. :angel: :eeps:

shragon
04-25-2005, 11:39 AM
interesting, the estoril m3 guy sounds like a complete a-hole. it's sh!t like that which gives it a bad wrap. i didn't go on the road rally this year since i was on a time constraint.

MR 325
04-25-2005, 12:23 PM
I don't think you need a liability waiver to drive on public roads. Just because someone at B'fest organizes a road rally on public roads doesn't necessitate the waiver. If this was being held on a private road/track, then yes, but last time I checked, SR-154 was a public road.
Hit the nail on the ehad as far as that goes

sk8ermoo
04-25-2005, 12:24 PM
Hey what are you talking about?? He was doing crazy *** so you cut him off and he ran off the road or what?
Huh what are you talking about? All I said was it was interesting to watch him do that slide and donuts, but when he came near my car I thought uh oh this can't be good. I didn't cut or run anyone off the road. =\

MPoweredKid
04-25-2005, 01:37 PM
Anybody have it on film or pics that can identify the person?


i could recognize the car if i saw it. it was the only Estoril with BBS CH's i saw saturday. have yet to see it in any pics, but i have yet to see all the pics

sky
04-25-2005, 01:38 PM
Anyone have a pic of the guy?....Maybe he's on here.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95776

scottn2retro
04-25-2005, 01:43 PM
Huh what are you talking about? All I said was it was interesting to watch him do that slide and donuts, but when he came near my car I thought uh oh this can't be good. I didn't cut or run anyone off the road. =\

Has you confused with the real culprit - who will hopefully be found.

timers
04-25-2005, 02:22 PM
think it might be him
http://www.coates3.com/albums/bfrr2005/bfest_rally_018.jpg

scottn2retro
04-25-2005, 02:38 PM
think it might be him
http://www.coates3.com/albums/bfrr2005/bfest_rally_018.jpg

I don't think so - that looks like Steve Potter - one of the VPs at B&M Racing (and a great supporter of Bimmerfest). He definitely would not be doing donuts or driving dangerously on the street.

We'll probably never positively identify who it was, but I'm sure he or somebody he knows will see or hear about this thread and let him know that what he was doing was not cool - not cool at all - and he's not the kind of person we'd like to have at Bimmerfest.

asura0s9
04-25-2005, 02:51 PM
so the search has begun...dun dun DUNN!

sky
04-25-2005, 02:53 PM
think it might be him
http://www.coates3.com/albums/bfrr2005/bfest_rally_018.jpgThat car doesn't have bbs ch's.

Maybe on this page?:dunno:
http://www.coates3.com/modules/gallery/bfrr2005?page=2

MPoweredKid
04-25-2005, 03:41 PM
YEP


that would be him.


http://www.coates3.com/modules/gallery/bfrr2005/bfest_rally_029

asura0s9
04-25-2005, 03:44 PM
....and the search is over...

that was damn fast :rofl:

BoostedE21
04-25-2005, 03:53 PM
All i gotta say is that Mother F***er got real close to my car, prooly cause i was the one right behind, WHAT A LOSER!!!!! Yeah look at me i can do a burn out :rolleyes: And if you know him, please feel free to share what i just said!!!! Its one thing to that when there is no one around but another to get close to peoples cars. what a loser!

sk8ermoo
04-25-2005, 04:09 PM
Has you confused with the real culprit - who will hopefully be found.
Oh okay. Eh whatever what's done is done you can't go back and beat him up or something

scottn2retro
04-25-2005, 04:28 PM
Oh okay. Eh whatever what's done is done you can't go back and beat him up or something

Actually, if that person fled the scene of an accident, he could be turned into the authorities (and his insurance finds out).

sailwind
04-25-2005, 04:36 PM
I had more fun searching the photo log for a blue M3 than I do reading the other ramblings. Hah.

AirborneDEN
04-25-2005, 05:16 PM
Too bad I cant provide more info, but the only thing I remembered was that it was a white male in a estoril m3 coupe.

Slvr e39
04-25-2005, 05:30 PM
Im suprized no1 has pics of it

sk8ermoo
04-25-2005, 05:56 PM
Actually, if that person fled the scene of an accident, he could be turned into the authorities (and his insurance finds out).
True...this is all pretty weird to me. You'd think all us enthusiasts would get together and have a good attitude towards everything, but all the posts i've seen have just been complaints and whinning towards "stupid" driving. It's a road rally with a bunch of above average performance vehicles. What do people expect? All of us going 65 in the right lane? Making someone crash though...that's over the line. Not stopping because he caused the crash is pretty bad too and not really considerate given that we all share a common love for cars, but it seems like he doesn't care much about other guys.

sleek.statik
04-25-2005, 05:59 PM
I have video when i get home ill try and get a still picture taken.

There where a few morons on the caravan, but thats no reason to stop the caravan. i had a blast on it seeing all those cars and watching people posted up taking pictures. alot of the people I've seen bad replies about it didnt even go, "dont knock it till you try it" alot of people said they have gone before and didnt go because of these morons, well theres nothing you can really do about them, go driving for a day in your city you will see bad drivers everywhere, you take a chance of getting into an accident everyday, personally there were as many moron drivers as i see on a daily drive, so why bitch about it?


ill post the pics when i get home later since my cam is there. please dont flame me or upstage my opinion, its worthless effort.

roxnadz
04-25-2005, 06:02 PM
well theres nothing you can really do about them, go driving for a day in your city you will see bad drivers everywhere, you take a chance of getting into an accident everyday, personally there were as many moron drivers as i see on a daily drive, so why bitch about it?


ill post the pics when i get home later since my cam is there. please dont flame me or upstage my opinion, its worthless effort.

Well, I guess that's as good an excuse as any.

So, if you see guys driving off a bridge, I guess you should do that too, since 'you will see bad drivers everywhere'?

:rolleyes:

sleek.statik
04-25-2005, 06:12 PM
Well, I guess that's as good an excuse as any.

So, if you see guys driving off a bridge, I guess you should do that too, since 'you will see bad drivers everywhere'?

:rolleyes:
yo' tha be sum dooks of hazerd sh!tte right there yo'.

tommiexboi
04-25-2005, 06:31 PM
i have the video of the guy who did that lol

Vroomer
04-25-2005, 06:33 PM
sleek.statik, :p you have been upstaged. :p

~Vroomer

sleek.statik
04-25-2005, 06:35 PM
sleek.statik, :p you have been upstaged. :p

~Vroomer
buwahahaha yeah and he did it with such ease lol oh well.

Vroomer
04-25-2005, 06:38 PM
:rofl:

Post those Vids guys. preferably ones with plate #s. :thumbup:

Oh, and this was what I was afraid of, so I left at 11:30. :(

OVER ALL, I liked the fest. :)

~Vroomer

roxnadz
04-25-2005, 06:50 PM
buwahahaha yeah and he did it with such ease lol oh well.

Hey what can I say. Setup was easy :D

sailwind
04-25-2005, 07:17 PM
Well, I guess that's as good an excuse as any.

So, if you see guys driving off a bridge, I guess you should do that too, since 'you will see bad drivers everywhere'?

:rolleyes:

Nono. I think what he's saying is since you can't do anything about guys driving off a bridge, you should just take videos of them and sell it to world's wildest videos.

Vroomer
04-25-2005, 07:22 PM
Video Needed!! (http://sacramento.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/67310530.html)

~Vroomer

SB_328SP
04-25-2005, 10:28 PM
Vroomer, that story ^^^ is hilarious :rofl:

740ibmw
04-25-2005, 10:42 PM
i have a video of that guy doing donuts near my car,,,,during the first stop,,,,,but it is on video,,,,i dont have the equipment to put it on the net.

i could recognize the car if i saw it. it was the only Estoril with BBS CH's i saw saturday. have yet to see it in any pics, but i have yet to see all the pics

scottn2retro
04-25-2005, 10:51 PM
i have a video of that guy doing donuts near my car,,,,during the first stop,,,,,but it is on video,,,,i dont have the equipment to put it on the net.

You could see which car it matches in Cliff's road rally pics (see the thread) - he got every car going by.

MattE21
04-26-2005, 12:09 AM
we're all confusing this thread into one car being the culprit for 2 crimes.

The car you all identified, the E36 Estoril did the donuts at the first rally point, and nearly hit a few e21'ers and threw up mumerous rocks at many cars.

The car that cut off the White arizona E36 M3 was a LSB E46 M3. If anyone has pictures or video of that accident, please contact me thru PM or email.

740ibmw
04-26-2005, 12:35 AM
i watch my video ...the guy who did donuts on blue m3,,,during the first stop........and the guy matches the bfest_rally_029 picture ...i'm pretty sure it's him!!!!

LWRNCE
04-26-2005, 01:10 AM
I got a tad bit sideways leaving INO on Friday for the camera guy but there weren't other cars around to hit. And yea, when he first got off the offramp he drifted and almost hit the M5, corrected and almost hit my car. Then as we were leaving he decides to do a donut and comes close to getting two of my friends cars then as he tries to end the donut he comes close to the cars on the on ramp waiting to leave so he turns and almost hits the guardrail.

yeah so where is that video? I got sidways leaving the parking lot too.

BimmerE30
04-26-2005, 03:52 AM
Huh what are you talking about? All I said was it was interesting to watch him do that slide and donuts, but when he came near my car I thought uh oh this can't be good. I didn't cut or run anyone off the road. =\


Hey how many LSB's were out on the road including yourself do you think?

scottn2retro
04-26-2005, 08:27 AM
It's a road rally with a bunch of above average performance vehicles. What do people expect? All of us going 65 in the right lane?

Actually, yes - for just a few hours once a year I'd hope that the supposedly intelligent BMW enthusiasts could set a good example and not confirm the public's perception of those 'damn BMW drivers.' It sounds like the silver M3 could have saved himself a ticket if he'd had been content to just ride it out in line on the right lane.

I think with the growth of the event, we are clearly getting attendance from people not normally on the forums (a lot of people I talked to did not even know about the raffle and prizes :dunno: ) and I'd imagine it's not the road rally veterans that don't know how to behave.

So maybe we're not doing enough on the day of the event to inform people about some things (like the raffle), but for sure about the road rally - what to expect, tips, what actions are not appreciated, CHP presence, etc.

Other clubs can do orderly rallies, and I think for the most part the Bimmerfest road rally is well conducted by just about everyone and it sounds like the vast majority do set that good example. 5 or 6 idiots out of 350 isn't bad, but when the reputation of an event is at stake there's not a lot of room for error.

The road rally is Jon's favorite part of the event, so I hope we don't give up on it. I think we can do it - I think we can pull off clean road rallies - maybe just need to do a little educating at the event before hand.

sk8ermoo
04-26-2005, 09:50 AM
Hey how many LSB's were out on the road including yourself do you think?
I remember there were 2 more including me, but i'm sure those guys didn't flee the scene. I remember one more that I saw/talked to that I didn't notice during the 2nd stop, but remember seeing him all other times.

sk8ermoo
04-26-2005, 09:51 AM
Actually, yes - for just a few hours once a year I'd hope that the supposedly intelligent BMW enthusiasts could set a good example and not confirm the public's perception of those 'damn BMW drivers.' It sounds like the silver M3 could have saved himself a ticket if he'd had been content to just ride it out in line on the right lane.

I think with the growth of the event, we are clearly getting attendance from people not normally on the forums (a lot of people I talked to did not even know about the raffle and prizes :dunno: ) and I'd imagine it's not the road rally veterans that don't know how to behave.

So maybe we're not doing enough on the day of the event to inform people about some things (like the raffle), but for sure about the road rally - what to expect, tips, what actions are not appreciated, CHP presence, etc.

Other clubs can do orderly rallies, and I think for the most part the Bimmerfest road rally is well conducted by just about everyone and it sounds like the vast majority do set that good example. 5 or 6 idiots out of 350 isn't bad, but when the reputation of an event is at stake there's not a lot of room for error.

The road rally is Jon's favorite part of the event, so I hope we don't give up on it. I think we can do it - I think we can pull off clean road rallies - maybe just need to do a little educating at the event before hand.
The road rally was my favorite part too. I know what you mean, but you have to expect people to be going around 70-80 and doing a couple spirited runs. I think the point where people cross the line is when they endanger others or are going 95+ mph.

elroy
04-26-2005, 06:48 PM
Basically, the general concensus is this: Driving fast is to be expected, but close-calls are intollerable.

BMWChick143
04-26-2005, 08:15 PM
I saw that and I have to say I wasn't impressed especially, since
there were people that had thier kids with them. This event isn't about
all that. They need to go to oakland to the sideshows if they want
to do all that!! But, there will always be those people who think they
are Hot * * * * but, What i don't get why try to show off infornt
of a WHOLE group of bimmers? We are all aware of what these cars
can do thank you very much that's why we drive them!!

Slvr e39
04-26-2005, 08:56 PM
how about next year no1 does anything stupid.

plskthx :D

playround
08-27-2005, 02:37 PM
That was a stupid move, good thing no one got hurt. And to who ever did that thanks for letting me take pics so I can show people what not to do. oh here are the pics if you need a copy to call the cops or something let me know I have the originals.
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