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Jon Shafer
04-25-2005, 12:44 PM
Next year we utilize the dealership and the fairgrounds?

Just an idea I've been kicking around....

Jon Shafer
04-25-2005, 12:48 PM
Oh yeah, and we'll get Price & Waterhouse to admin the raffle!

:p

WilliamsKR
04-25-2005, 01:24 PM
Jon,
Once again great event. I don't know if you were kidding, but I think it would be a great idea. People could visit two sites

Jon Shafer
04-25-2005, 01:52 PM
Jon,
Once again great event. I don't know if you were kidding, but I think it would be a great idea. People could visit two sites

Thanks! Glad that you enjoyed it...

:thumbup:

My question is totally serious: what do you think about expanding the capacity
as proposed?

shragon
04-25-2005, 02:07 PM
first off jon, thanks for all your hard work! i had a great time this year!

so what were you thinking of? venders/race cars/true show cars at the dealer and everything else at the showgrounds? they're an exit apart from each other iirc?

RKT BMR
04-25-2005, 02:09 PM
Much depends on how the event would be split -- what would be at the dealership, what would be at the fairgrounds.

So, stabbing in the dark such as it is, I'm initially agin it. IIRC the two locales are not really walking distance in a fat-american lazy sense, so there is just too much liklihood that people would be rallying back and forth between the two spots, and we'd have 645s doing donuts all up and down State for 5 hours :D

As much as I appreciate and value the event at the dealer (probably wouldn't have had the thrill of that Carerra GT to drool over at EWFG), I fear the event just simply has outgrown the space and logistics of the dealership.

The experience at EW could be improved a lot over 2004 by learning from that first experience and leveraging it in terms of the layout (vendor locations, music, etc.)

No matter where it is and how it's done, though, I'll be there!

Ågent99
04-25-2005, 02:14 PM
Sounds good, Jon, but it all hinges on how you plan to split things up! I fear if you don't do it uniformly, someone will feel left out or cries of segregation will be shouted out.

How are you going to be in two places at once??? ;)

SB_328SP
04-25-2005, 02:36 PM
I think the dealership is a great place, but parking is obviously a huge issue. Not to mention the problem of who gets to park on the lot and who doesn't. EWSG is obviously big enough, but it also costs $$$ and the 2 locations are a little bit too far apart IMHO to co-locate the event. There has got to be another venue here that would be conducive to the event and not be as pricey as EWSG. I don't know how many of you stuck around 'til Sunday, but there was a huge car show ON State St. They close the street from Gutierrez all the way up to the Arlington. I don't know if that is feasible for Bimmerfest or not.

What about SB City College. They have 2 large parking lots below the stadium that would probably hold most of the cars. It wouldn't be free, but it is right on the beach.

E30 325IS
04-25-2005, 02:57 PM
Next year we utilize the dealership and the fairgrounds?

Just an idea I've been kicking around....



I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. THEN YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE ARGUING ABOUT CARS BEING ON THE LOT STOCK, PARKING SITUATION, OR HOW CLUTTERED STREETS ARE.

DIVIDE THE CARS BY E38,E39,E46,E60,E61,E66,E65,X3,X5,Z4,Z8,E90 AT THE FAIR GROUND BECAUSE OF THE ROOM.

ALL E36,Z3 AND OLDER AT THE DEALERSHIP.
I KNOW THEY ARN'T GONNA BE CLOSE TOGETHER BUT IT IS THE BEST IDEA YET.
THERE ARE ALWAYS GONNA BE PROBLEMS

sailwind
04-25-2005, 03:18 PM
I would say just holding it at the fairgrounds should be enough. Last year the parking lot was only about 70% full with a lot more space available.

I think it's a bad idea to split up the group, since the whole point is to have everyone together without any segregation. It would be bad to have the older cars on one side and newer models on another. It furthers the division.

I think the problems could be solved if the city of Santa Barbara allow us more leeway on street parking. The roads around the dealership were quite spacious, but just barred by no parking signs. If Santa Barbara is willing to give us a 7 hour window and do what the Z3 homecoming did, I think it would simply be beautiful and very streamlined.

What do you guys think.

http://www.mz3.net/pictures/homecoming1999/1999_homecoming.jpg
http://www.mz3.net/pictures/homecoming1999/turquiose.jpg
http://www.mz3.net/pictures/homecoming1999/downtown_greenville_night.jpg

Slvr e39
04-25-2005, 03:20 PM
That is a HELL of a lot of z3's....OMG

sailwind
04-25-2005, 03:22 PM
That was only the 1999' event too. It's grown a lot since then.

Blacksheep
04-25-2005, 03:27 PM
What would be good would be to set up an area at the fairgrounds where those so inclined could perform their tire eating moves in a K-rail protected area.

They could slide, spin and drift to their hearts content and get it out before the road rally.

What do ya'all think?

scottn2retro
04-25-2005, 03:35 PM
What would be good would be to set up an area at the fairgrounds where those so inclined could perform their tire eating moves in a K-rail protected area.

They could slide, spin and drift to their hearts content and get it out before the road rally.

What do ya'all think?

I wouldn't want to encourage that activity no matter what the location.

Hey Jon, how about making an arrangement with Le Cumbre Mall to use a dedicated section of the back parking lot? It's walking distance (I think you can actually see the dealership from it) and it should be large enough for the overflow.

The mall is already getting some extra business from the 'fest and may not mind. I saw some 'festers at Baja Fresh and Panda Express (and people are already parking there anyway). You could have some of the vendors up there, etc.

SB_328SP
04-25-2005, 03:47 PM
They do Farmer's Market up there every week, so they might just be open to that. The girlfriends/wives that aren't into the car thing can spend the day at the mall. I bet you could even get a deal setup with SB Trolley to shutle people back and forth. Still, if we have 700-800 cars, they still might not all fit.

scottn2retro
04-25-2005, 04:55 PM
They do Farmer's Market up there every week, so they might just be open to that. The girlfriends/wives that aren't into the car thing can spend the day at the mall. I bet you could even get a deal setup with SB Trolley to shutle people back and forth. Still, if we have 700-800 cars, they still might not all fit.

Wow, didn't know that (about the farmer's market). Interesting.

I'd have to look at that back section again, but if it was the overflow from the dealership and not the total, I think it could work - may have to take the whole back section, but what the hey.

Then if all the people with Dakar Yellow (for example) wanted to park together, they could. Or the e39 crowd or Seattle 7s or what have you.

SB_328SP
04-25-2005, 05:08 PM
They also have the lower lot between the mall and State St. I would bet that SB Trolley would not be too expensive to have shuttling people for 5-6 hours. My church has them shuttle people from overflow lots from 8-1 every Sunday, I can try to find out what they pay.

WilliamsKR
04-25-2005, 05:23 PM
Jon,
I think there are some good ideas out there, but it's obvious we need to do some type of paradigm shift with respect to doing it solely at the dealership. Bottomline, is I'll suport whatever you come up with because I can only imagine the logistical nightmare it creates.

Kevin

tommiexboi
04-25-2005, 05:29 PM
honestly i liked last year fest at the fairgrounds... everything was there and we could all see eachothers car... the walk was way to long for some of us, parking was even more confusing

once we were out of the dealership, we never came back because it was to much of a walk back

jvr826
04-25-2005, 05:30 PM
I like the idea of parking like model cars together on the lot. I think if there was a way to register your car as one that is "on display" it could maybe control the dealership lot parking deal a little better. Like sending a sticker or something to those pre-registered to allow them access, as well as an assigned spot to park.

I found a spot on the street just up from the Chevy dealer, so I didn't have any issue with parking. In fact I think I parked in the same area in '03 and '02 when I was there. Good parking karma I guess.

The side streets are kinda wide and getting some cones setup or something to allow attendees to park perpendicular to the curb rather than parallel would probably double the capacity and still allow cars to move thru. But, there are other businesses in the area as well as freeway access, so that could be a bit of an issue to work out.

Ideally, SB Auto Group should just buy up the surrounding dealerships, level them, and turn the whole area into a Bimmerfest event center. :bigpimp:

And I also vote NFW on the "drift, burn-out, slide" area. Even at the track that type of behavior is not allowed. Personally I can't think of a single valid reason to do a burn out. Anyone?

BMWenthusiast
04-25-2005, 05:58 PM
the only problem i see with teh fairgrounds is that it is probably far away and would splinter the group and thats not good, bimmerfest is "bringing the BMW community togethar" and we shouldn't split into two main groups. some other stuff was that at Bimmerfest you guys were mainly only utiliting the BMW building and the Audi side with vendors and that was the busy area. When i went to the Porsche and Benz side with no vendors it was just a couple of peopel there, you should think about putting some vendors there to increase the flow of people

as some, i parked at the mall by using Jon's map, i think that the main issue with parking was that you had a bunch of people circling the dealerhip looking for parking on the street, where an idea may have been to have some staff along the streets with signs of where to park, ex. when i went to a tournament at UCI they had cones with paper saying "parking" with an arrow, if we had a couple of cones and staff at the area directing people to the parking lot at the mall that would be great since everyone would know where to go and park, i mean you only need a couple of people doing this in order to get the traffic more steady and know where to park, just think of hte people at disneyland who do it, and i'd volunteer to help out, or call SBPD, im sure they'd help since its going to be a massive event.

Perhaps another idea utilizing SBPD is to turn the streets on both sides of the dealerhsip, for like a 7 hour period, into one way streets, im pretty sure there was a loop on those streets and crosses behind the dealer, if you turned them into a one way street, or even just the side by the BMW dealerhsip you could probably fit a lot more show cars and just have half hte street coned off and traffic only going one way through it.

Well these are all suggestions, it was a great Bimmerfest and im sure it'll be even better next time

edit: i read Kaz's post about "how it used to be" and hearing more of this large fairground, anyone have any pics of it from previous years to see the capacity and such?

sailwind
04-25-2005, 06:09 PM
Perhaps another idea utilizing SBPD is to turn the streets on both sides of the dealerhsip, for like a 7 hour period, into one way streets, im pretty sure there was a loop on those streets and crosses behind the dealer, if you turned them into a one way street, or even just the side by the BMW dealerhsip you could probably fit a lot more show cars and just have half hte street coned off and traffic only going one way through it.


That's the exact idea I'm suggesting. We can do like the Z3's homecoming and turn the streets in front of the dealership into temporary one or narrow two-way streets. Those streets can easily fit 5 cars wide so there will be room for at least one double parked line, or a line of cars on either side of the road.

BMWenthusiast
04-25-2005, 08:39 PM
That's the exact idea I'm suggesting. We can do like the Z3's homecoming and turn the streets in front of the dealership into temporary one or narrow two-way streets. Those streets can easily fit 5 cars wide so there will be room for at least one double parked line, or a line of cars on either side of the road.

im pretty sure the local PD would be happy to help if you gave them time to meet with them and discuss the situation, i mean they can call Santa Barbara the "home to Bimmerfest", for any of you who watch Discovery and seen teh Arlen Ness special on their new complex they ahd 10x the amount of people show up and the local PD helped because it is the home of Arlen Ness, that should be what Bimmerfest is about, the local community having a helping hand too.

edit: did a search to find some pics of the fairgrounds, since i've never been there, found this thread with tons of pictures:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/bmw/swapmeet_pics/BimmerFest_2004/Page1.htm

looks pretty good, we could fit a ton of cars there, but then wouldn't have a nice facility like Santa Barbara BMW :(

edit 2: upon further review, the fairgrounds are freaking amazing, a lot better then the dirt we had at my old city, not sure if my new city has fairgrounds :eeps: so what are the facilities like (whats that building i see in the pictures) how many cars can it fit, it looks like it has grass, is this confirmed (seriously, old fairgrounds = dirt) just details please!

SB_328SP
04-25-2005, 09:00 PM
I wasn't a Bimmer owner last year, so I wasn't there, but that looks like it was a pretty nice setup. With the cars on the grass, it kind of has that Pebble Beach feel. :)

Answer to the post above: You can fit a bunch of cars inside. Jon, did you have access to the inside, or just the grounds facilities?

My church does a big Halloween event there every year. Totally crazy - 5000+ people with bands, motorcycle jumps, etc. The place is definitely big enough to handle the event.

sailwind
04-25-2005, 09:03 PM
I would say ~100 can fit in the grassy and "preferred" inside parking area, where most of the show cars are. Then the rest park in the parking lot. You'll get the same segregation issue again, although not nearly as severe.

The parking lot at the fairgrounds can easily fit 600+ cars out there. I think if it is organized so everyone parks at an angle, in columns, it would make it attractive to venture out to look at the cars. Last year it just look like a normal parking lot, and the sun was blazing and no one went out there.

Dave 330i
04-25-2005, 09:04 PM
Having the event at the dealer and the fair ground would lose the charm of everything being at one place. How about utilizing the fair ground just for parking of stock cars to minimize the congestion?

shragon
04-26-2005, 09:16 AM
they should block off downtown sb and have an octoberfest-like type of deal with bimmers showing. that'd be kick ass!

this was last years obon festival in japantown, sf.

MR 325
04-26-2005, 11:49 AM
I am strongly against seperating the event with 2 locations, as said, that takes away from the idea of all the BMW owners being at the same place. I think we should try and work with the city of Santa Barbara and SBPD and get something worked out with blocking of parking spots on the streets around the dealer lot. If we can't do that, the event should move back to the fairgrounds or something else nearby that is large enough to host this event. It would be awesome to come away from next years event with not one person unhappy about not parking with the other BMW's. I really love the idea of seperating the cars by model code, it would be all that hard if there were signs and a designated aprking staff.

czechm3out
04-26-2005, 11:52 AM
it took me 20mins to get a spot, but it was well worth it. it was my 2nd time going there and my girlfriends 1st time so im excited she got to see it at the dealship, if it would move i would feel as if something were missing

marvelphx
04-26-2005, 12:44 PM
I have put a lot of thought into this based on people I talked to and posts I have read.

I think this year's Bimmerfest was the best one yet. We had more vendors, more people, and more prizes than ever before. Not to mention race teams, drivers, and lots of rides to oogle. Yes, there were parking problems, but the first four years of Bimmerfest were the same way and it was understood to get their early and get a spot or park on the streets. It is like everyone got spoiled last year.

Most people, especially the complainers, have NO idea how much work went into getting this event to happen. Jon worked his ass off, Scott managed to wrangle up race teams from across the country, I had to supervise getting everyone on the lot, assist the raffle, and get the T-shirts done. If the complainers think they can do better, let them setup the show next year...

Jon, here is what I have been thinking:

I know the dealership is very excited about the turnout and it *is* a beautiful location, but they simply can't handle the load of people, vehicles, and activity. We move the show back to Earl Warren. Scott Greive over there was really cool with letting use the place. We still don't charge the vendors to come, but to help cover the cost of renting the location, we may have to charge attendees $5 a car or something. I doubt most people would even flinch at $5, including myself. We can even extend the hours of the show from perhaps 9-4pm and then do a Sunset Rally like I was mentioning before. Give the show a full day for the people that drove such a long way time to enjoy.

The dealership can keep their lot full and do business and still make a showing at the Showgrounds with new vehicles, provide the catering and music perhaps. We create a vendor alley where the vendors are close together and not spread across the parking lot. The race teams can bring (and leave) their haulers on-site with the canopies and displays, etc and put on the full show.

We didn't fill the lot back in 2004, so we can get the clubs and caravans generally close together. We setup a small stage to do the music and raffles and even if we have to use $1 from each ticket to cover costs, so be it. Same with T-shirt sales. It was more expensive than people think to do it at Earl Warren, so we'd have to take people's temperature on paying.

Just my idea...

Kaz
04-26-2005, 12:59 PM
Just my idea...

Agreed 100%

shragon
04-26-2005, 01:08 PM
I know the dealership is very excited about the turnout and it *is* a beautiful location, but they simply can't handle the load of people, vehicles, and activity. We move the show back to Earl Warren. Scott Greive over there was really cool with letting use the place. We still don't charge the vendors to come, but to help cover the cost of renting the location, we may have to charge attendees $5 a car or something. I doubt most people would even flinch at $5, including myself. We can even extend the hours of the show from perhaps 9-4pm and then do a Sunset Rally like I was mentioning before. Give the show a full day for the people that drove such a long way time to enjoy.

The dealership can keep their lot full and do business and still make a showing at the Showgrounds with new vehicles, provide the catering and music perhaps. We create a vendor alley where the vendors are close together and not spread across the parking lot. The race teams can bring (and leave) their haulers on-site with the canopies and displays, etc and put on the full show.

We didn't fill the lot back in 2004, so we can get the clubs and caravans generally close together. We setup a small stage to do the music and raffles and even if we have to use $1 from each ticket to cover costs, so be it. Same with T-shirt sales. It was more expensive than people think to do it at Earl Warren, so we'd have to take people's temperature on paying.

Just my idea... i think this is an awesome idea! $5-10 would be nothing to the majority of people.

Brad330ci
04-26-2005, 01:24 PM
Jon, here is what I have been thinking:

I know the dealership is very excited about the turnout and it *is* a beautiful location, but they simply can't handle the load of people, vehicles, and activity. We move the show back to Earl Warren. Scott Greive over there was really cool with letting use the place. We still don't charge the vendors to come, but to help cover the cost of renting the location, we may have to charge attendees $5 a car or something. I doubt most people would even flinch at $5, including myself. We can even extend the hours of the show from perhaps 9-4pm and then do a Sunset Rally like I was mentioning before. Give the show a full day for the people that drove such a long way time to enjoy.

The dealership can keep their lot full and do business and still make a showing at the Showgrounds with new vehicles, provide the catering and music perhaps. We create a vendor alley where the vendors are close together and not spread across the parking lot. The race teams can bring (and leave) their haulers on-site with the canopies and displays, etc and put on the full show.

We didn't fill the lot back in 2004, so we can get the clubs and caravans generally close together. We setup a small stage to do the music and raffles and even if we have to use $1 from each ticket to cover costs, so be it. Same with T-shirt sales. It was more expensive than people think to do it at Earl Warren, so we'd have to take people's temperature on paying.

Just my idea...


Having been to my 2nd Bimmerfest this year (1st being last year) and seeing the fairgrounds as well as the dealership, I feel a $5 cover or possibly $10 would be more than justified in holding this event at the fairgrounds. The parking last year was a little spread out but otherwise plenty of room for even those that want to gather like cars together.

The dealership was great since it had the multi-level parking capability and a show room in case you want to cool down as I got sunburned, again. Just can't win. The dealership was great but the fairgrounds would afford everyone to be able to take part in the event with even their totally stock fresh off the showroom floor BMW or Mini.

Just my .02 but I felt the event was awesome, even the rally was great since I didn't stick around for it last year. I applaud everyone involved in setting things up.

sailwind
04-26-2005, 01:39 PM
I think there's been some great suggestions, but like to throw in my two cents here.

1. Extending the event is probably a bad idea. Most people were bored out of their minds by 1pm and were just waiting for the road rally. Then came the raffle drawing that took over an hour to do. It's a bit excessive. By 1pm everyone already had lunch, visted vendor booths 3 times and looked at the show cars 5 times. I would actually suggest that the raffle run more efficiently so we can leave for road rally earlier. A sidetrack off to highway 1 toward lompoc would be a good idea.

2. As someone said, can't beat the dealership for shade. Last year's bimmerfest the sun was scorching and no one dared to venture into the fairground parking lot. Those shiny cars was throwing a lot of rays back.

3. Charging an entry fee is a great idea. I doubt it'll curb enthusiasm. But you can bet people will whine a lot more since they now feel they've "PAID" for the event and are entitled to preferencial treatments (like parking on the fairgrounds lawn)

MR 325
04-26-2005, 02:50 PM
I think if the event could be nicely organized with great vendor turnout [combine the best things of 04 and 05] it would be awesome. I doubt a charge of $5 will phase anyone as long as it goes toward making the event better. I really really would love to see the cars seperated by model type, E21, E30, E36, you get the idea

Keith
04-26-2005, 05:17 PM
Just my idea...

Perfect Todd, absolutely perfect!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup:

Brought to you by BMW of Santa Barbara! (at EW)

Food vendor' "s", we need choices AND hot food, the free stuff isn't what it's about, it's the people, then the cars.

Once again Todd, I like your thinking!

Jon, let me know if there's anything I can do in the coming year, I'm only a phone call away,

SB_328SP
04-26-2005, 05:34 PM
Hey, I will send in my $5 right now. There is plenty of shade at EW, especially if we can have one of the halls open for vendors. Like I said before, I have been involved with other great events at EW. It is all about how much you put into it.

I live here in SB, and though I am pretty busy with work (and a baby on the way), I would be happy to help out any way I can.

Brad323i
04-26-2005, 11:20 PM
Having been to my 2nd Bimmerfest this year (1st being last year) and seeing the fairgrounds as well as the dealership, I feel a $5 cover or possibly $10 would be more than justified in holding this event at the fairgrounds. The parking last year was a little spread out but otherwise plenty of room for even those that want to gather like cars together.

The dealership was great since it had the multi-level parking capability and a show room in case you want to cool down as I got sunburned, again. Just can't win. The dealership was great but the fairgrounds would afford everyone to be able to take part in the event with even their totally stock fresh off the showroom floor BMW or Mini.

Just my .02 but I felt the event was awesome, even the rally was great since I didn't stick around for it last year. I applaud everyone involved in setting things up.

True.

LLuke
04-27-2005, 12:52 AM
Call me crazy but I kind of like the crammed in chaos at the dealership. If we could get some of the streets closed around the dealership, I think we could pile up a lot of cars and make everyone happy. If this is not possible, asking the mall for a section is a great idea.

Another suggestion:

In 2003 it was rumored that the road rally would be done by police escort. This rumor turned out to be false. After the incidents that happened on the 05 rally, I think we should look into a police escort for 2006. It has been my experience that the police will tolerate minor law breakage on an escorted rally as they know without an escort, driving would be much worse. I'm normally one of the crazy bastards who speeds and has fun, but the bimmerfest road rally is probably not the place for these actions since the event has gotten so big. A police escort would keep things moving properly, keep everyone safe, and still allow for decent speeds and plenty of photo opportunities. As a matter of fact, I bet a police escort would lead to higher speeds through the canyon as we all would not be held up by the handful of blue hairs in minivans and sedans who always seem to get stuck in the line of 800 Bimmers.

So for 2006 we may want:

Street parking and/or mall parking
A police escort for the road rally

Thanks for all your hard work on this Jon. No matter how Bfest06 goes down, I will be there.

-Eric

P.S. Thanks for the advice at breakfast regarding car sales. ;)

BMWenthusiast
04-27-2005, 05:34 PM
next time we should get a pace car...like that BMW police car on the lot to lead us all on the road rally, cuz i didn't know where to stop and go, as with some other people

reelizmpro
04-29-2005, 08:35 PM
I think they should keep it at the dealer but try to close down the adjacent street (between the dealers) and use that for the show. Or how about have the event on a Sunday and use the entire block including the lot from the building next door (with permission of course)Cars on the lot also could be arranged better so you can get more cars in. On the north side of the dealership they could have parked at least 10 more cars if they just arranged the other ones a certain way or closer together. Could have parked individual cars in the middle of the walkway since it was wide enough. SB is more than 100 miles for most people attending and they should be able to see most if not all of the other cars there. I saw pics of nice cars from the rally that I didn't even know were there probably because they parked 1/4 mile away someplace like I did. :dunno:

PropellerHead
04-29-2005, 08:45 PM
Next year we utilize the dealership and the fairgrounds?

Just an idea I've been kicking around....I dunno ab the dealer, but from my visit with you at the dealer in '03, then the '04 Bimmerfest at the grounds- where there was PLENTY of room- I think they should bring the DEALER to the fairgrounds.

Organize the vendor area a lot more around the main 'stage' for the mic, etc and let the like autos have their own entry and parking areas. That place was HUGE. Seems like you could even have some things inside some of those buildings.

And get ready for ME in '06. One healthy wife (who'd BETTER not be preggie) makes for a good excuse to roll 'er on out!

antetr95
04-30-2005, 08:51 AM
I like your idea Todd. I wouldn't mind paying $5-10. I also like the idea of closing down the streets like Oktoberfest. If we can swing that, great. Next year will just get bigger and every year after that, so having it at the Earl Warren Showground may be the best option. Whatever you guys decide, I'll be there. I appreciate the long hours and efforts in putting this event together.

Darkstar M3
04-30-2005, 02:09 PM
Food vendor' "s", we need choices AND hot food, the free stuff isn't what it's about, it's the people, then the cars.
I agree!
Not a complaint, just a suggestion:
Food vendor with a selection of food, and options for vegetarians (besides chips and water... or a hotdog bun, with onions, relish, ketchup and mustard, like my GF had to eat).
Heck, I would be happy with a Roach Coach. :thumbup:

I love the idea of segregating the cars...If only we could all be as organized as the E21's and 2002 groups. :D

kfunk
04-30-2005, 08:07 PM
I just came back from the European car show circuit a few months ago. I toured with my 2001 BMW 325 CIC over the past few years. I was a BMW car club president and spent a lot of time on the road. The car show season starts around April and ends in October. There was at least one, sometimes three and four BMW car shows a weekend. We put our own BMW car show on last summer as well. This was my first Bimmerfest and it definitely will not be my last. I feel one of the most important aspects of a car show is location. It has to be complimentary to all personnel involved; for example, the vendors, sponsors, DJ and of course the BMW enthusiast. I felt the location for the Bimmerfest this year was too small in relation to the number of cars and personnel. The vendors and the amount of booths was good, but took up most of the space. In order to accomadate everyone I think there should definitely be a bigger location. This way no one is segregated and are all in one location. You should charge no more than $10-$15 per car for entry to be officially judged and the sponsors could make up the difference. The judges could be from the group of sponsors and expand the categories for trophies. The categories could include 3 series, 5 series, etc. and a people's choice award as well. Another idea would be to have more than one BMW gathering, the Bimmerfest could be the starting point and then have maybe 2-3 other shows as well. Spread the locations out so people would not have to travel as far each time. Maybe another event in July and then again in the September time frame. This way BMW enthusiasts could gather more than once a year? I know I was used to travelling around Europe on a weekly basis trying to figure out which show I wanted to goto. This way if someone cannot make the only show each year there are other alternatives. I know the hardest part would be getting sponsors to commit and most of all the support to coordinate everything. It takes a lot to make the show happen and have personal experience. The bottom line is you will never satisfy everyone and experience difficulties in putting on an event of this magnitude.These are just a few ideas and enjoyed Bimmerfest 2005 and look forward to next year. Good job Jon and thanks. :cool:

WilliamsKR
05-02-2005, 07:05 AM
I agree with Todd 100%%%%%

BoostedE21
05-02-2005, 09:11 AM
I have put a lot of thought into this based on people I talked to and posts I have read.

I think this year's Bimmerfest was the best one yet. We had more vendors, more people, and more prizes than ever before. Not to mention race teams, drivers, and lots of rides to oogle. Yes, there were parking problems, but the first four years of Bimmerfest were the same way and it was understood to get their early and get a spot or park on the streets. It is like everyone got spoiled last year.

Most people, especially the complainers, have NO idea how much work went into getting this event to happen. Jon worked his ass off, Scott managed to wrangle up race teams from across the country, I had to supervise getting everyone on the lot, assist the raffle, and get the T-shirts done. If the complainers think they can do better, let them setup the show next year...

Jon, here is what I have been thinking:

I know the dealership is very excited about the turnout and it *is* a beautiful location, but they simply can't handle the load of people, vehicles, and activity. We move the show back to Earl Warren. Scott Greive over there was really cool with letting use the place. We still don't charge the vendors to come, but to help cover the cost of renting the location, we may have to charge attendees $5 a car or something. I doubt most people would even flinch at $5, including myself. We can even extend the hours of the show from perhaps 9-4pm and then do a Sunset Rally like I was mentioning before. Give the show a full day for the people that drove such a long way time to enjoy.

The dealership can keep their lot full and do business and still make a showing at the Showgrounds with new vehicles, provide the catering and music perhaps. We create a vendor alley where the vendors are close together and not spread across the parking lot. The race teams can bring (and leave) their haulers on-site with the canopies and displays, etc and put on the full show.

We didn't fill the lot back in 2004, so we can get the clubs and caravans generally close together. We setup a small stage to do the music and raffles and even if we have to use $1 from each ticket to cover costs, so be it. Same with T-shirt sales. It was more expensive than people think to do it at Earl Warren, so we'd have to take people's temperature on paying.

Just my idea...

Stealing my ideas huh, and getting all the credit :confused: I see how it is.


Just joking. I did also suggest this, charge the attendees $5-10 per car (or person) and that would cover the cost of renting the grounds. But there is always the other side of things, what i mean is that how would you be able to determine the payers vs the non payers, a list? There car groups that attend the fest, ie the E21 guys, Bay Bimmers etc. and they could be put on the list as named, but what about the individual people? I think this idea is great, and as mentioned, im sure people would def not mind paying that much, heck you could even include 1 raffle ticket with the admission fee.

marvelphx
05-02-2005, 11:56 AM
Atilla, you hush...!

And I think per car is fine... it's not like we are going to have people sneaking into the event in trunks... Besides, most people will want to bring their own cars.

Jon and I have been talking constantly since this year's show finished and we have some incredible ideas in the works and thank everyone for shouting out the new ones. Keep them coming!

This is how we make Bimmerfest better and better each year!

RKT BMR
05-02-2005, 12:59 PM
And get ready for ME in '06. One healthy wife (who'd BETTER not be preggie) makes for a good excuse to roll 'er on out!Looking forward to meeting up with you, prop! Be sure and drop me a line around Jan/Feb and let me know if you're coming, and we'll get you hooked up with the BayBimmerz gang, where you'll have the best time possible!

Bmwcat
05-02-2005, 02:19 PM
First I'd like to say Thanks to Jon Shafer and the Bfest crew for all the hard work. We had a great time at Bfest 2005. I would not have a problem paying a few bucks to be at a fairground or other venue for Bfest 2006. Even tho my car is stock I'd enjoy showing it off.
The dealership is just way too small for this sort of function. My 2 cents worth. :beerchug:

SB_328SP
05-02-2005, 10:23 PM
Just joking. I did also suggest this, charge the attendees $5-10 per car (or person) and that would cover the cost of renting the grounds. But there is always the other side of things, what i mean is that how would you be able to determine the payers vs the non payers, a list? There car groups that attend the festie the E21 guys, Bay Bimmers etc. and they could be put on the list as named, but what about the individual people? I think this idea is great, and as mentioned, I'm sure people would def not mind paying that much, heck you could even include 1 raffle ticket with the admission fee.

I don't think you need to have people pay in advance, just charge at the gate. You can give them a ticket for their car so they can leave an come back if they want to go out for lunch or something. Those that want to register for the car show can do so in advance, and have window placards for those people.

I know it is still a long way aways Jon, but being an SB local, I am totally available to help in any way I can.

marvelphx
05-03-2005, 12:22 AM
It would have to be pay in advance, locks a car count and provides for deposits and rentals. $10 is the cost of a small meal or a movie, i would pay twice that for Bimmerfest.