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wingrove
05-02-2005, 01:20 AM
Ok I know its up to me to decide and starting a thread here about the (possible) pluses of another marque is dangerous and yes its comparing apples to oranges but after comparing the two i cant help but be a little undecisive.

For the price of an X3 3L sport W/Pano drive away i can get an Rx330 that INCLUDES: (prices in australian $)

Navigation & OBC (BMW + $6990)
Blue Tooth prep (BMW + $700)
electric Memory seats /mirrors / steering wheel (BMW + $2750)
Adaptive headlights (BMW+$860
Sunroof (included in quoted X3)
CD stacker (BMW +$?)
18" wheels (included in BMW SPORT pkg)
Rear Camera - awesome (BMW pdc + $1680)
Folding side mirrors (BMW +$450)
Auto dip rear view mirror (BMW +$350)
Mark Levinson 11 speaker HIFI (BMW + $2200
4 year warranty! twice the BMW's 2yr


Ok Ok one has a legendary BMW sport drive and one has a legendary smooth quiet Lexus drive. but adding all this stuff to my X3 would come to another $15,980!!

I guess it comes down to how much more i want to spend for the X3's drive and guts and how much gadgetry i can do away with. But going through the list has certainly been an interesting experiment!

Any thoughts welcome ... flaming expected :-)
jas

machmeter
05-02-2005, 01:35 AM
Wow. Lot's of nice goodies on the RX. :thumbup: I'll probably get flak for saying this, but... My guess is that the X3 drives more like a mini SUV than a sports sedan. So if you're committed to a mini SUV, why not get the loaded Lexus?

Just curious, but, why buy an X3 or RX, in the first place? Do you really need the off-road capability? Just seems to me that a sedan is hella more fun to drive. :dunno:

wingrove
05-02-2005, 01:52 AM
i travel a bit, need a soft roader more than an off roader. and yes i like the higher viewing position. I use my car as a mobile office and fine the 'sitting up' rather than reclined position of a sedan better when ive got my coffee/muffin/laptop/digital camera office set up
...not while driving of course :-)
j

machmeter
05-02-2005, 01:59 AM
i travel a bit, need a soft roader more than an off roader. and yes i like the higher viewing position. I use my car as a mobile office and fine the 'sitting up' rather than reclined position of a sedan better when ive got my coffee/muffin/laptop/digital camera office set up
...not while driving of course :-)
j
Okay, got it. Thanks. Then, unless the X3 just kills in the test-drive, I'd go for the Lexus.

wingrove
05-02-2005, 02:02 AM
I guess the X3 was 'firmer' and a sportier, of the mark accelaration.
The lexus is probably softened slightly for passenger comfort etc.

The words Lexus and BMW cunjure up exactly the ride for both.

Thinking.....
j

bim530mer
05-02-2005, 02:15 AM
Personally, I like the exterior and interior of the lexus... For all I would think about is quiet and reliable ride, I would go for the lexus... Although I beleive that model is a bit old considering the life of X3 is just 2 years old now (correct me if I am wrong)...

I hated the exterior of the X3 (sorry owners). The X5 in my opinion looks much better...

wingrove
05-02-2005, 02:55 AM
i agree, x3 is an unusual look almost looks wimpy and understated compared to the dominant and commanding looks of the X5. yes the body of the RX330 is getting on, i first saw the design in japan a decade ago as a Toyota Harrier. The X3 is really odd as its just a few iches smaller than the X5 but looks like a Rav 4 on the road.
j

JG
05-02-2005, 05:50 AM
i agree, x3 is an unusual look almost looks wimpy and understated compared to the dominant and commanding looks of the X5. yes the body of the RX330 is getting on, i first saw the design in japan a decade ago as a Toyota Harrier. The X3 is really odd as its just a few iches smaller than the X5 but looks like a Rav 4 on the road.
j

The X3 looks trim and fit to me compared to the top heavy and more umbering look of the X5. To each his/her own.

I think someone mentioned in a previous thread that the Lexus looks like a pregnant roller skate.

I test drove one a while back and it's not even in the same galaxy as a BMW for handling and driving. I also found the interior rather gaudy.

If you want dependable, mushy ride, and comfort then go for the Lexus. If you enjoy driving then..............?

BTW if you do a search with RX330 - there are quite a few informative threads on the Lexus vs. X3 and X5. No matter what choice you make it will be a good one. I also seem to recall that X3 prices in Australia seemed very high compared to North America, which might affect that kind of decision.

harplayr
05-02-2005, 06:47 AM
The X3 looks trim and fit to me compared to the top heavy and more umbering look of the X5. To each his/her own.

I think someone mentioned in a previous thread that the Lexus looks like a pregnant roller skate.

I test drove one a while back and it's not even in the same galaxy as a BMW for handling and driving. I also found the interior rather gaudy.

If you want dependable, mushy ride, and comfort then go for the Lexus. If you enjoy driving then..............?

BTW if you do a search with RX330 - there are quite a few informative threads on the Lexus vs. X3 and X5. No matter what choice you make it will be a good one. I also seem to recall that X3 prices in Australia seemed very high compared to North America, which might affect that kind of decision. :stupid:
Take a long extended test drive in both. Push them to their limits and see which one you like better. At this price range there isnít really much difference in the long term between a X3, RX330 and X5. Each is a quality vehicle and each has its ups and downs. The X5 boys like to troll here sometimes so take their advice with a grain of salt.

For myself, my choice boiled down to the X3, X5 and RX330. I just happened to like the handling of the x3 the best. The X5 felt lumbering, and sloppy when compared to the X3 but it did have a more upscale interior. The RX330 was much too soft in the handling department, but had BMW beat in the luxury department. My sister-in-law has the RX330 and loves it. It all boils down to your personal likes and priorityís.

wingrove
05-02-2005, 07:05 AM
totally agree on the ride quality. for me as amobile office, the extra inclusion of sat nav, an excellent blue tooth set up (dial / text from the big touch screen etc) is worth considering. not to mention double the warranty!
jas

Bart001
05-02-2005, 07:50 AM
I think that I've posted this here before, but I owned an X3 for a year and didn't like it. A co-worker has the Lexus and I've been in that a lot. If you are looking for a mobile office vehicle, I think that you will appreciate the quiet of the Lexus a lot.

My #1 complaint about the X3 was the noise. Road noise and wind noise were very pronounced. If you talk on the phone while in the vehicle, I think that you'll really appreciate the quiet of the Lexus.

And yes, the X3 does NOT drive like a sports sedan. The higher center of gravity precludes that. I loved my 1994 325is and the way it drove, and as you can see from my info I now own a 2005 545i. Those drive like BMW's to me. The X3 didn't. The X3 may well be 'the BMW of the small SUV's', but that is still not making it drive like a sports sedan.

But definitely take account of the ride noise when you compare the two vehicles. That's my suggestion.

wingrove
05-02-2005, 07:55 AM
interesting to hear it as as many people complaining about the x3 noise as there are people saying its not a problem. I think its one of those issues they may have fixed between '04-'05

B r i a n
05-02-2005, 09:18 AM
It's mainly a choise of personell preference.
I perfer the look of the X3 interior and exterior to that of the RX.
To me the RX looks like a Poke man car inside and out.
Lexus is very conservative with design, BMW is very inovative.
The drive is the main difference, If you like the look of the RX and prefer luxury over performance, pick the RX.
If drive is most important I think X3 would win.
I think people that purchase a car purly by specification and price vice end up selling or trading it in much sooner then if it is an emotional descision.
My advise, choose from the heart not from a matrix - cheaper in the long run.

stangmatt66
05-02-2005, 12:41 PM
I've driven both extensively and I must say that the each is a different machine--almost apples to oranges.

The X3 is a BMW through and through, sporty handling, great acceleration, ample power (in 3.0 trim). The Lexus is more of a luxury cruiser. Handling is poor, acceleration while adequete 0-60, lacks authority when going from 30-60. You floor the pedal, the Lexus thinks about shifting, thinks some more and then finally shifts. The X3 is much more direct and instant.

I will give the Lexus the nod for luxury and amenities, that is if you can put up with the futuristic (read: gaudy) dash and controls. The X3 is a little stark inside with less plush materials, but that is typical Germanic style.

I have also driven the Cadillac SRX extensively and found it to be a good comprimise between the X3 and Lexus, that is if you can put up with the UGLY grey dash and controls pulled from the CTS. But that HUGE sunroof like the X3 makes up for some of it. Performance is great with the V6, better with the V8 and handling is way tighter than the Lexus.

adc
05-02-2005, 01:06 PM
I have also driven the Cadillac SRX extensively and found it to be a good comprimise between the X3 and Lexus, that is if you can put up with the UGLY grey dash and controls pulled from the CTS. But that HUGE sunroof like the X3 makes up for some of it. Performance is great with the V6, better with the V8 and handling is way tighter than the Lexus.

Exactly my findings. Drove the Caddy on an autocross course and was very impressed. But I doubt that you can get that in Oz.

The X3 without the sport package drove very much like my friend's E39 530i (non sport). I thought it drove brilliantly and I am not going to qualify it by adding "for an SUV". I simply thought it was great.

The sport-package X3 drives even better for my taste. I would not hesitate to pitch it against a 530i sport, even though this may sound like heresy to some.

I would only choose a Lexus if I wanted to impress friends with the many gimmicks: NAV, rear camera etc. Otherwise it's dead and bland like an overweight Chinese carp. If you like driving, then the X3 will be a much more satisfying ownership experience, despite the worse reliability (yes it's true) and comparable lack of amenities.

I somehow get the feeling the NAV would be a welcome addition for driving in Oz - if that's the case then I'd consider springing for the NAV on the X3 - nothing more.

For reference I drive an 03 330 ZHP - I guess the closest car in Oz would be the 330i with the M Sport II suspension and aero package. The X3 rides like a *****cat compared to this, yet still manages to feel sporty, well damped (and amazingly no brake dive).

Of course, that's just my opinion but I guess that's why people come to these boards.

adc
03 330 ZHP

climrgrl
05-02-2005, 01:09 PM
I think the Lexus looks like a rolling potato. I'm not saying that the X3 is a thing of beauty, but, at least it doesn't look like a potato.

I haven't driven the Lexus, but I've been a passenger in a friend's several times. I guess it is more typically luxurious than the X3.....but I actually don't like the interior. The leather on the seats feels too thin and squishy for me. It's completely a matter of personal preference, though. It sounds like you have more of a need for something roomy, quite, & comfy, and the Lexus would probably serve you better. If you're more interested in driving sporty on twisty roads, then go for the BMW.

Rob V
05-02-2005, 02:44 PM
I feel a little differently about the Lexus than most people here. I actually prefer the styling of the Lexus over the X3. The unpainted bumpers on the X3 make it look somewhat incomplete compared to the Lexus. But that's the ONLY thing about the Lexus that I prefer over the X3. It's more luxurious of course, but I don't care for the plush, stuffy interiors and soft ride of the Lexus. Another thing I don't like about it is that I've seen about 100 RX330's for every X3 that I've seen on the road. I like not having a "Me Too" vehicle. The roads here are saturated with Ford Escapes and RX330's. But that's not a very good reason to decide on one over the other.

To be honest with you I fell in love with the drive of the X3. That's what sold me. And it was also surprisingly affordable, when leased, because it's a BMW and holds its value so well. I know people that pay almost $200 more a month to drive much lesser cars. But the difference in price that there appears to be in your part of the world might be too much to overcome. Being in your situation I may have gone for the Lexus simply because it appears to be a better value. Here, it made more sense to get the X3.

pipo
05-02-2005, 03:11 PM
Sounds like you should go for the Lexus. I assume you've actually driven both of them (can't tell for sure from your posts), and if you came away from the test drives scratching your head about which vehicle you prefer irrespective of cost, then by all means go for the less expensive one. That's a no brainer.

While I personally would not consider the Lexus, and always choose a car based on its performance qualities rather than comfort features, different people have different priorities and tastes. I was "forced" to buy an SUV due to its high WAF (wife acceptance factor), and I can say this: it's the closest thing you'll find to a sports car in SUV wrappings. The X3 provides amazing roadability compared to almost any vehicle out there, save the sport-tuned BMWs and other like cars. Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing! Although come to think of it, there's nothing sheepish about the X3's appearance.

Sure you'll be happy either way. G'day mate.

climrgrl
05-02-2005, 03:28 PM
4 year warranty! twice the BMW's 2yrs


Wow, this part just registered. Why is the BMW warranty only 2 years in Australia? It's 4 years/50,000 miles here in the States, and I assumed would be similar everywhere else. Weird. :dunno:

dherzfeld
05-02-2005, 04:00 PM
RX330 = Front wheel drive (or front drive bias in all wheel drive), transverse mounted V6, torque steer, soft suspension (wait, I have a Honda Odyssey with the same description)

X3 = Rear drive bias, smooth inline six mounted longitudinally, no torque steer, X-drive system, 700 lbs lighter than X5 3.0, .................

HGX3.0
05-02-2005, 04:40 PM
We have a Lexus 330 (2004 model) and the X3 (2005 premium package). The Lexus is what I consider LUXURY (it is fully loaded with 18" alloy wheels, full-leather, wood steering wheel and components, dual temperature settings, etc.).

Both vehicles are automatics, (the Lexus with 230 HP, the X3 with 225 HP). The HP difference is so miniscule but I think the X3 handles, corners better with a little less body roll. The Lexus is extremely smooth (I think I'm driving on glass, cause the ride is SO SMOOTH).

The X3 is more of a sport vehicle, the Lexus - luxury ... imo (both great vehicles)!!

wingrove
05-02-2005, 05:20 PM
thanks all for all that feedback, nothing i didnt kinda know in my heart. Just with the Bm's reliability probs having just the two year warranty gets me aq bit twitchy. My heart says go for the sporty drive, but since i use the Nav in my present car a lot and spend my life on the cell phone im torn by the practicalities of the RX not to mention double the warranty.

thinking. will update you all
jas

SunnyDriver
05-02-2005, 10:46 PM
Hi,

I drive a 330i (zhp package) and my wife drives the RX300. We got the RX and are very happy with it. The Lexus dealership has provided us with the new RX330's when we have dropped off our 300 for servcie and although I find the dash very confusing, all in all it is a great car & far better in terms of overall comfort unless you think that cornering at 60 miles per hour is your #1 proirity. We also looked at the X3 and just could not justify the value (imho)

Over the years, I have found that the Lexus servcie is legendary and far superior than that of BMW dealers - imho this is certainly a major advantage. Recently, I took in my wife's Lexus for servcing at the Lexus of Bellevue dealership. When returning with my wife in the bimmer, the BMW got chipped with some flying cardboard from a truck ahead of us on the highway. Guess what, the Lexus dealership spent 45 mins on my BMW to try and remove the scratches off the body paint & even offered to find me a weekend specialist who could assist with it further. By contrast, the BMW dealer (from whom I purchased my 2nd BMW) could not accomodate me over the weekend & had no inclination to help me with suggestions either.

My current 330i is my 2nd bimmer and I love it so don't get me wrong. Though, slowly I am relaizing that the car is only an extension of the overall experience and I hate to admit that keeping my BMW long-term is becoming an increasingly difficult decision given the overall value/brand experience.

Good luck with your decision pal - may you enjoy the car you choose.

Bart001
05-03-2005, 07:15 AM
Regarding finish and choice of materials, I was also disappointed with those on my 2004 X3 3.0i. I thought that the interior was a little below BMW's overall standards, and the black plastic bumpers really started to bother me. My X3 was black, so the bumpers blended in somewhat, but on any other color I think that the lack of painted bumpers makes the vehicle look kinda cheap. Is there ANY other BMW that does not come standard with color-matched bumpers?

Overall I got the impression that BMW had made quite a few tradeoffs to put out the 2004 X3 at its pricepoint. They seemed to clearly save money with the interior, the black plastic bumpers, and lack of sound deadening. On the other hand, it's a great engine and drivetrain at that price. Although I'd definitely NOT consider the current X5 over the X3 for several reasons, you can tell that the higher price of the X5 does go towards some of the deficiencies of the X3 I noted.

LmtdSlip
05-03-2005, 08:15 AM
Sounds like the Lexus is the way to go. :thumbup:

JG
05-03-2005, 09:11 AM
Overall I got the impression that BMW had made quite a few tradeoffs to put out the 2004 X3 at its pricepoint. They seemed to clearly save money with the interior, the black plastic bumpers, and lack of sound deadening. On the other hand, it's a great engine and drivetrain at that price. Although I'd definitely NOT consider the current X5 over the X3 for several reasons, you can tell that the higher price of the X5 does go towards some of the deficiencies of the X3 I noted.

The price point was not great for the early 2004's. It also seems to me that many of the complaints about interior finish and sound deadening have been improved for 2005, as well as the value with added standard items (panorama etc.)

The residuals and lease rates have been excellent this year - to the point where it was actually cheaper for me to lease an X3 than a mid level Explorer or Toyota Highlander at $10,000 less list; then alone a Lexus.

The lexus at the time around here was carrying a low residual and a rate double BMW's.

wingrove
05-03-2005, 03:11 PM
You know after another browse and quick drive of both I think its the X3 (yet to sign anything!) For me it comes down to one thing and its what the RX is sadly missing...Soul.

I think that while the RX would be everything i need apart from a great drive., the lure of the gadgetry now would fade leaving me wth just another car later. The X3 is far from that. here in Sydney it seems that every 2nd car on the road is an RX, now whilst that should say something positive for the car its a negative for me, I like something unique and different.

I think Brian hit it on the head "I think people that purchase a car purely by specification and price vice end up selling or trading it in much sooner then if it is an emotional descision"

You've got to love and want the car to choose it and choose it "from the heart not from a matrix"

Bingo

keep ya posted
J

Bart001
05-03-2005, 04:07 PM
I think Brian hit it on the head "I think people that purchase a car purely by specification and price vice end up selling or trading it in much sooner then if it is an emotional descision"

You've got to love and want the car to choose it and choose it "from the heart not from a matrix"

Bingo

keep ya posted
J

I really WANTED to love the X3, having loved my 325is every single day for the 9 years I drove it. Ultimately, I didn't. The issues I've identified wore me out. Honestly, I really wanted a 5-series when I bought the X3, and didn't want to spend the money. I thought the 530i was overpriced (and still do, considering how little more you can spend and get the 545i). Now I drive what I probably should have bought back then, although the X3 "on paper" should have been really satisfying. Had it just been quieter, I'd probably still be driving it.

Just be sure to spend enough time in the X3 to make sure you'll be ok with it.

pipo
05-03-2005, 05:13 PM
You know after another browse and quick drive of both I think its the X3 (yet to sign anything!) For me it comes down to one thing and its what the RX is sadly missing...Soul.

I think that while the RX would be everything i need apart from a great drive., the lure of the gadgetry now would fade leaving me wth just another car later. The X3 is far from that. here in Sydney it seems that every 2nd car on the road is an RX, now whilst that should say something positive for the car its a negative for me, I like something unique and different.

I think Brian hit it on the head "I think people that purchase a car purely by specification and price vice end up selling or trading it in much sooner then if it is an emotional descision"

You've got to love and want the car to choose it and choose it "from the heart not from a matrix"

Bingo

keep ya posted
J

Yes. Spoken like a true contrarian and traditional (as opposed to status-seeking) BMW driver. The X3 has lots of soul, and it loves to be driven -- hard at times. As concerns noise, I believe some early model year 2004s had some issues with faulty window/moonroof seals, but I have not heard that this is an issue of concern in the 2005s.

Take your X3 out on a warm, moonlit night on a nice country road, roll down all the windows and open the moonroof all the way. Then strap yourself in and go for it!

adventurelarry
05-03-2005, 05:41 PM
Take your X3 out on a warm, moonlit night on a nice country road, roll down all the windows and open the moonroof all the way. Then strap yourself in and go for it!

I did that last night, minus the moonlight, and oh my. I still have the grin on my face :thumbup:

wingrove
05-03-2005, 05:52 PM
Bart, i think your issue of buying the x3 but really wanting the 5 series is exactly what ive been through many times not just with cars. I now know that if im going into something really wanting something else then im doomed to hate the choice and long for the other.
It doesnt matter if its an x3 versus an rx330 or whatever. go with the one you want in your heart for whatever reason.

ICEBERG
05-03-2005, 09:57 PM
I think that I've posted this here before, but I owned an X3 for a year and didn't like it. A co-worker has the Lexus and I've been in that a lot. If you are looking for a mobile office vehicle, I think that you will appreciate the quiet of the Lexus a lot.

My #1 complaint about the X3 was the noise. Road noise and wind noise were very pronounced. If you talk on the phone while in the vehicle, I think that you'll really appreciate the quiet of the Lexus.

And yes, the X3 does NOT drive like a sports sedan. The higher center of gravity precludes that. I loved my 1994 325is and the way it drove, and as you can see from my info I now own a 2005 545i. Those drive like BMW's to me. The X3 didn't. The X3 may well be 'the BMW of the small SUV's', but that is still not making it drive like a sports sedan.

But definitely take account of the ride noise when you compare the two vehicles. That's my suggestion.

Hey Bart, you did a good job of bashing the BMW X3. So tell me if you where not happy with your BMW X3 why did you buy another BMW? And why are you comparing your car to an SUV? And i thought you where a Loyal BMW owner. I bet after your done with the 545i you will bash that too. :thumbdwn:

adc
05-04-2005, 07:00 AM
Hey Bart, you did a good job of bashing the BMW X3. So tell me if you where not happy with your BMW X3 why did you buy another BMW? And why are you comparing your car to an SUV? And i thought you where a Loyal BMW owner. I bet after your done with the 545i you will bash that too. :thumbdwn:

Relax my friend, it's his money and his opinion. It's explained very clear in his post what he was hoping for, what he actually got and the action he took.

This post was intended to provide all angles on the X3 experience - both good and bad. It was not supposed to be an attack on the X3 owners, or ex-owners.

:dunno:

adc
03 330 ZHP

ICEBERG
05-04-2005, 08:14 AM
Relax my friend, it's his money and his opinion. It's explained very clear in his post what he was hoping for, what he actually got and the action he took.

This post was intended to provide all angles on the X3 experience - both good and bad. It was not supposed to be an attack on the X3 owners, or ex-owners.

:dunno:

adc
03 330 ZHP

I have an right to my opinion also and i took his post as an attack on X3 owners with his comments like it does not drive like a BMW but his car does. This car handles and drives every single bit as your 330 or his 545 and thats my opinion.

Besides i am a Very relaxed person.


:)

Bart001
05-04-2005, 09:18 AM
Hey Bart, you did a good job of bashing the BMW X3. So tell me if you where not happy with your BMW X3 why did you buy another BMW? And why are you comparing your car to an SUV? And i thought you where a Loyal BMW owner. I bet after your done with the 545i you will bash that too. :thumbdwn:

Hey Iceberg, what part of my posts haven't you comprehended? All of them... I'm sorry that you don't like to hear criticism of the car you like, but that's what the OP was looking for -- info. as to the X3's plusses and minuses, not just info. from those who drink the Kool-Aide. So I'll explain for you, and show you how a loyal BMW customer can actually think and have an opinion and OMG NOT LIKE A SPECIFIC BMW PRODUCT THAT HE OWNED.

My first BMW I bought in 1994, and as I posted above, I loved it every day. I still own it -- my son has it 3000 miles away now. We even drove it across the country last fall, and it was a superb ride even at 159,000 miles on the odometer! Plus it got 30+ mpg for the trip :thumbup:

I've also owned two Beemers -- a 2003 R1150R (an amazing machine) and a 1990 K75S (another amazing machine). I'm not sure I'd ever own a bike other than a Beemer, though of course there are other good ones on the market.


Let's see...what else about my liking the BMW brand... I'd add in the BMW Drive for the Cure events that Ive been to many times over the years, and most recently the Rolex-BMW Vintage Festival at Lime Rock, CT.

Now..what were you asking about again? Why did I buy another BMW? Maybe because they build some of the best cars in the world!

PS -- I defy you to point to one thing I said that anyone reasonably would label "an attack on X3 owners" as opposed to my criticisms of the 2004 X3 I drove for 20,000 miles over 13 months.

ICEBERG
05-04-2005, 11:42 AM
and as you can see from my info I now own a 2005 545i. Those drive like BMW's to me. The X3 didn't.


I really like to know what you ment by this comment then? I can take criticism, but when people spend their hard earned money to buy a BMW X3 like my self, this kind of comment does not go well with me.

I drove an 330, i drove an Z4, i drove an M3, i even drove the 545. And compared to all these cars X3 Drives like a BMW. So they build some of the best cars in the world but not the X3?

As for a Lexus, go buy what you like. My friend has the 300. Great cars. I don't say anything bad about cars. People work hard to buy them. Thats my 02 cents.

Cheers,

Bart001
05-04-2005, 12:25 PM
It meant exactly what I said. Why you take it personally as a "bash" upon you or any other X3 owner is beyond me. Had I said, "anyone who is happy with an X3 is an idiot," you'd have a point. That would be a "bash."

Whether a 2004 X3 is "too noisy" or 'does or doesnt drive like a BMW' is a matter of opinion. So long as said opinions are offered in an intelligent manner, backed up with the writer's factual bases for making such opinions, most readers know how to interpret them and factor them into their own experiences.

Sorry you weren't able to interpret what I said, but I'm satisfied that the OP did, based on his responses, and that's who my responses were directed to -- the OP, who in considering buying a vehicle, not you, who already owns one and doesn't want to hear anything contrary about it.

mkh
05-04-2005, 12:40 PM
I really like to know what you ment by this comment then? I can take criticism, but when people spend their hard earned money to buy a BMW X3 like my self, this kind of comment does not go well with me.

I drove an 330, i drove an Z4, i drove an M3, i even drove the 545. And compared to all these cars X3 Drives like a BMW. So they build some of the best cars in the world but not the X3?
I think you're taking the whole comment out of context. The sentence you quoted was actually interpreted as his 325is drives like a sport sedan, like his 545i. He commented that the X3 doesn't drive like a sport sedan, and that is true. No SUV drives like a sport sedan, period. Among SUVs, X3 is the CLOSEST in handling and feeling to a sport sedan, and that I agree. But anyone who thinks the X3 equals a 330i, Z4, M3, or 545i is just fooling himself. I'll be getting an X3 in a few months (yes, with sport package too) because I can't find any SUV better in terms of handling and feeling, BUT I never expect it to drive like my 330i because I know it won't.

As for a Lexus, go buy what you like. My friend has the 300. Great cars. I don't say anything bad about cars. People work hard to buy them. Thats my 02 cents.
Yes, people work hard to buy their cars, but if you only comment on the positive side and don't say anything bad, then your comment is just one-sided. Only pros and no cons, how can you help others make decisions?

adc
05-04-2005, 01:09 PM
Yes, people work hard to buy their cars, but if you only comment on the positive side and don't say anything bad, then your comment is just one-sided. Only pros and no cons, how can you help others make decisions?

Can I get an Amen? :)

So brother mkh, you'll be getting an X3 as well?? What options/color etc.?
Are you keeping the ZHP too?

adc
03 330 ZHP

mkh
05-04-2005, 01:51 PM
Can I get an Amen? :)

So brother mkh, you'll be getting an X3 as well?? What options/color etc.?
Are you keeping the ZHP too?

adc
03 330 ZHP
Yes, I'm getting an X3 3.0i to replace the X5 as its lease is ending in two months. In no way I'll part with my ZHP!!

I have not really nailed down the options yet, but very likely they would be sport pkg., leather, xenons, and privacy glass, that's it. Color is either silver gray or black with interior either black or terracotta. I have yet to see one with terracotta in person. I've seen many pictures but still can't imagine the actual color of the real thing. So I have not decided yet. If I want terracotta, I think I'll have to order it.

pipo
05-04-2005, 02:43 PM
Let me preface my comments by saying that everyone is entitled to express their opinions, especially when they are informed opinions by persons who have more than a casual acquaintance with the subject matter. I believe that Bart is in this category, and that he stated his views clearly and without malice. It was apparent from his post that his intention was to inform, not to insult.

That said, I disagree strongly with his comment about the X3 not driving like a sport sedan. Of course the seating position is higher than a sedan's, which is characteristic of an SUV, and this higher vantage point may contribute to a sense that the vehicle does not handle like a sports sedan. It may be a psychological reaction, because it's hard to believe that an SUV is capable of performing so well.

But the higher center of gravity of the X3, while presenting an engineering challenge, did not stop BMW from designing a suspension that results in handling qualities that are superior to most so-called sports sedans on the road, including some non-sport suspension BMW sedans. The tight suspension probably results in a ride quality that is a bit harsher than the ride quality in a sedan with comparable handling characteristics, and this may also contribute to the impression that the X3 does not handle like a sports sedan. It's not an M3, but it certainly shares the bloodline! Bravo BMW!

climrgrl
05-04-2005, 02:58 PM
I have yet to see one with terracotta in person. I've seen many pictures but still can't imagine the actual color of the real thing. So I have not decided yet. If I want terracotta, I think I'll have to order it.

Don't know where in CA you are, but I've seen X3s with terracotta interiors in Santa Barbara.

pipo
05-04-2005, 03:30 PM
Yes, I'm getting an X3 3.0i to replace the X5 as its lease is ending in two months. In no way I'll part with my ZHP!!

I have not really nailed down the options yet, but very likely they would be sport pkg., leather, xenons, and privacy glass, that's it. Color is either silver gray or black with interior either black or terracotta. I have yet to see one with terracotta in person. I've seen many pictures but still can't imagine the actual color of the real thing. So I have not decided yet. If I want terracotta, I think I'll have to order it.

I saw a white X3 with the terracotta interior in my dealer's showroom the other day. The terracotta looks much brighter and redder in person than in the catalog photos, so you might want to see it live before ordering. It really stands out against the black interior trim. If I were ordering sight unseen, I'd go with the black seats.

mkh
05-04-2005, 03:45 PM
I saw a white X3 with the terracotta interior in my dealer's showroom the other day. The terracotta looks much brighter and redder in person than in the catalog photos, so you might want to see it live before ordering. It really stands out against the black interior trim. If I were ordering sight unseen, I'd go with the black seats.
That is exactly what I'm afraid of when ordering sight unseen. If it looks like pumpkin color, I don't think I would go for it. Thanks for the warning.

climrgrl, I'm in LA. Santa Barbara is a bit far to just check out the color. I'll keep searching.

pipo
05-04-2005, 03:53 PM
That is exactly what I'm afraid of when ordering sight unseen. If it looks like pumpkin color, I don't think I would go for it. Thanks for the warning.

climrgrl, I'm in LA. Santa Barbara is a bit far to just check out the color. I'll keep searching.

It's not quite pumpkin, but definitely a reddish brown.

Rick480
05-04-2005, 04:02 PM
I looked at Lexus, but I wanted to tow a small (17') boat, and Lexus won't tow much. The X3 tows the 1400 lb. boat great.

wingrove
05-05-2005, 04:59 AM
Done it!
Ordered a New 3L sapphire black with light cream sport leather, Panoramic roof, PDC, Bluetooth, sport package-18" alloys, matts, Hi Fi 8 stereo, Aluminium trim and running boards.

The most important thing is im going into the deal with no regrets or if onlys. Now i just gotta wait a week. Will post pics when she arrives. Thanks all for your sagely advice- It has honestly made all the difference!

BTW the hifi 8 stereo just happens to be whats in the car, The specs are a little grey as to what the EXACT diffences between standard, hifi 8 and hifi 10. what exact speaker steup and layout am i in for?
Didnt opt for the cd stacker as im an iPod nut and will go for the icelink kit rather than the BMW ipod kit at some stage
cheers
jas

dherzfeld
05-05-2005, 06:14 AM
Done it!
Ordered a New 3L sapphire black with light cream sport leather

Great Choice - you won't be disappointed.

keep off median
05-05-2005, 07:28 AM
Yes, I'm getting an X3 3.0i to replace the X5 as its lease is ending in two months. In no way I'll part with my ZHP!!

I have not really nailed down the options yet, but very likely they would be sport pkg., leather, xenons, and privacy glass, that's it. Color is either silver gray or black with interior either black or terracotta. I have yet to see one with terracotta in person. I've seen many pictures but still can't imagine the actual color of the real thing. So I have not decided yet. If I want terracotta, I think I'll have to order it.

Check out the Highland Green. It goes very well with the black bumpers.

Bart001
05-05-2005, 08:43 AM
Done it!

Didnt opt for the cd stacker as im an iPod nut and will go for the icelink kit rather than the BMW ipod kit at some stage

jas

Congrats and I hope that you enjoy your new X3!

Kudo's for not getting the BMW iPod adaptor. As you probably know, when your iPod is connected to the car using the BMW adaptor, you are locked out from controling the iPod other than from the car radio controls. You cannot find individual songs or albums, and are limited to either (1) using several BMW-specific "play lists" you have to set up in advance at home, or (2) scrolling thru your entire library, song-by song. I think that the plain-old auxilliary input is better than the current generation of BMW iPod adaptor. At least you can listen to exactly what you want to hear at the time.

In my new car I'm using the Monster brand fm re-transmitter for my iPod as a temporary measure until BMW offers an iPod adaptor that gives me good functionality thru iDrive. That Monster unit isn't bad at all, surprisingly!

adc
05-05-2005, 11:28 AM
Check out the Highland Green. It goes very well with the black bumpers.

Yes, that was the reason we picked Highland Green. Very dark in real life, but with a deep interesting sheen. Looks nothing like the previous BMW greens... If you have the latest Roundel, there is a pic there of an X3 cresting a snow covered hill that very faithfully depicts the color.

And after having seen Terracotta in person as well, we went for it. It does have an orange tone to it, but I would still call it brown, not pumpkin. Probably not to everyone's taste, but we thought it lifted the interior completely, in combination with the light wood.

adc
03 330 ZHP

Xcube
05-05-2005, 02:55 PM
Yes, that was the reason we picked Highland Green. Very dark in real life, but with a deep interesting sheen. Looks nothing like the previous BMW greens... If you have the latest Roundel, there is a pic there of an X3 cresting a snow covered hill that very faithfully depicts the color.

And after having seen Terracotta in person as well, we went for it. It does have an orange tone to it, but I would still call it brown, not pumpkin. Probably not to everyone's taste, but we thought it lifted the interior completely, in combination with the light wood.

adc
03 330 ZHP

And don't forget the chrome tail pipes...that alone seals the deal! Great color you picked there. Have fun!

wingrove
05-05-2005, 03:20 PM
cant see the pic xcube? did you attach?
jas

mkh
05-05-2005, 07:17 PM
Yes, that was the reason we picked Highland Green. Very dark in real life, but with a deep interesting sheen. Looks nothing like the previous BMW greens... If you have the latest Roundel, there is a pic there of an X3 cresting a snow covered hill that very faithfully depicts the color.

And after having seen Terracotta in person as well, we went for it. It does have an orange tone to it, but I would still call it brown, not pumpkin. Probably not to everyone's taste, but we thought it lifted the interior completely, in combination with the light wood.

adc
03 330 ZHP
As far as I know, you can't have Highland Green and Terracotta together, right? How did you get this combination?

adc
05-05-2005, 10:08 PM
As far as I know, you can't have Highland Green and Terracotta together, right? How did you get this combination?

You ask :). No, really. It's one of those "dealer only" options that does not show up on the configurator, but BMW is ok with ordering it (and for ED no less).

Who knows, they might allow other exterior colors with Terracotta, such as Mistic, Blue Water and Flamenco - I would not be surprised.

I've actually seen this combo in person and liked it - plus it assures a certain degree of rarity, for all the good and the bad that comes with it.

adc
03 330 ZHP

jameskthompson
05-07-2005, 07:35 PM
I have owned an lexus 330 for about 5 months now and had previously owned a 330 cic, while I like the lexus 330 , I am considering trading for a X3 w/ hamann aero as I miss the handling and power for passing.......the lexus is nice but drives like a boat! The xenon's are also great.

wingrove
05-08-2005, 01:42 AM
Now that i have made my choice and am waiting for my 3.0L X3 to arrive i feel sick at the sight of an RX330. man, how could i have even considered one, they are a dull dushwater shopping trolley. Will follow up with pics when the real car arrives.
jas

dlflyboy
05-08-2005, 11:06 AM
I stopped by the local Lexus dealer to test drive the RX. We're thinking of adding another suv to our home. It drives and handles totally different than a BMW. It was sluggish and felt underpowered. Transmission shifted roughly also. We thought about waiting to test drive the Rx400h (hybrid version with more horses). But, we actually enjoyed driving the BMW 4.4 and the Volvo XC90 V8 more.

JG
05-08-2005, 12:33 PM
Now that i have made my choice and am waiting for my 3.0L X3 to arrive i feel sick at the sight of an RX330. man, how could i have even considered one, they are a dull dushwater shopping trolley. Will follow up with pics when the real car arrives.
jas

You won't regret your decision for a minute. Glad to see you saw the light and passed on the pregnant roller skate!

When push comes to shove - safety - handling - and smile power - there is no other choice!

Actually the Lexus is a very fine vehicle in it's own right. It just doesn't growl and emote the same exuberance as the X3 does.

climrgrl
05-08-2005, 03:28 PM
Shopping trolleys and pregnant roller skates! LOL! :rofl: Congratualtions on your X3, wingrove, you'll just love it.

wingrove
05-21-2005, 07:24 AM
Cant believe I ever even considered anything else really!


Arrived today:
Sapphire Black 3.0L
Hi Fi 8 sound system (8 speakers incl 2 subs)
Panoramic roof
BMW bluetooth kit (hmm - jury still out)
Side steps
Full Sport kit - (Sport suspension/seats/ steering wheel /anthracite head lining /18" wheels
Parking sensors
Aluminium trim
Matts
BMW polo shirt !


Drives like its on rails, and sh*t off a shovel.

Out of milk? Dad'll get it!

climrgrl
05-21-2005, 09:54 AM
Congratualtions! Whoa! First time I've seen a right-hand drive version!

bim530mer
05-24-2005, 10:34 PM
interesting to hear it as as many people complaining about the x3 noise as there are people saying its not a problem. I think its one of those issues they may have fixed between '04-'05
I am sorry to burst your bubble but all BMWs suffer excessive wind and road noise for such a luxury car, not only X3 in certain models. Although with 2005 models things got better, but still not what you call luxury.. There is no connection between engine growl, wind or road noise. So they can keep the former... :)

vontech
05-24-2005, 11:46 PM
My first post here, guys. I purchased a 2005 X3 3.0i 5 days ago, and I have no appreciable wind noise and very little road noise for the ride I get. I feel like I'm really part of the road! I drove a hundred miles back home from the dealership through lots of almost 60-90 degree turns at about 50-70 miles per hour (easily).

I almost PASSED OUT from the thrill!!! It was raining VERY HARD several times, and I never even came close to losing traction ...

Sorry for my exuberance, but this is my first BMW, and I'm BLOWN AWAY!

BTW, I also test drove a Lexus 330 -- it was grossly underpowered... I felt like I was driving a small, expensively outfitted BARGE .... No power to escape from bad situations. In the X3, however, when I hit the gas, it throws me back in the seat.

I never knew driving could be so much FUN!!!! :rofl: :rofl:

Tom

wingrove
05-25-2005, 05:08 AM
Im with you vontech, As the starter of this thread I cannot believe the 180 degrees my thought patterns have gone through as i re read the post timeline. I have owned far too many cars in my life includeing merc coupes 911's vans and jeeps this one tops all of them - it was an older 911 :-)
anyway this car is honestly a thrill from the second i turn the key on the 3L. Tracks corners beautifully and has effortless grunty power whatever the revs. really quiet and despite the sports suspension and all that goes with that its as smooth as silk. no road noise or wid noise on the freeway to speak of. I am thoroughly pleased and everytime I pass an RX330 (it happens a lot - usually at high speed) i think I must have been out of my scone to even consider that DULL DULL DULL frontal labotomised piece of emotionless shopping trolley.

j

saloveku
06-13-2005, 09:40 PM
I found this a really interesting thread, as I have been thinking about what to get for the last several months. Started with the MDX, loved the power not the size; liked the 330; thought it had a great luxury/price quotient - didn't like the thigh support - since I'm 6'4" this is a big issue for me. Tried the Volvo X90 - felt like a tank. Waited for the Subaru B9 Tribeca - great vehicle- should be a real winner - but likely won't be.... second best in terms of being a drivers machine to the X3 and $10,000 less in price in Canada; however, the price proposition for this new vehicle is not great in Canada because there is no finance incentives as it is brand new and a relatively low residual. something like a 43 - 45% residual in Canada (can't remember exactly) after a 4 year lease. redrove the X3 and thought - great driving machine (could be a touch more powerful) never had a Bimmer; offering 3% rates on leases in Canada; I actually like the fact that it is not too luxurious; but it is not leaving much out if you get the premium package. So, I'm getting close to becoming a X3 owner to be.