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BMW Fahrer 11-29-2005 05:39 PM

M5: 2006 SMG or 2007 6-speed
 
I'm conducting a survey here to see what everyone thinks about ordering an M5. I've been wanting a new M5 since I saw the first one roll into the local dealer last month. However, I'm divided between an '06 with the SMG or wait for the '07 with the 6-speed manual. Interestingly, the 6-speed has a longer wait list at a dealer. Seems that there are many die hards who still want to wrap their palms around a shifter knob while driving.

I've driven the M3 with an SMG at the BMW Nuerburgring school and agree that this setup is great for the track and eliminates missed gears for the wanna be Speedracers. On the other hand, the Gen 2 SMG causes serious whiplash at the track under the fastest shifting conditions. I sense that the M5's new SMG will shift differently and softer from the M3's SMG due to the weight of the vehicle an a few extra gears at the top end.

Question:
Would you buy the M5 with an SMG gearbox like the Bavarians intended from Day 1, or would you opt for the 6-speed version for us sporty Americans?

:dunno:
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bavarian19 11-29-2005 05:45 PM

As a current manual driver and manual enthusiast (I guess), I would say I would want the 6 speed. The M5 to me is a great car on the road, but I dont think I would take it around the track. I enjoy rowing through the gears too much myself to let that go. If this were an M3 on the other hand, I would probably take it to the track occasionally. Being as that is the case, I would probably take the SMG.


Now, if the car were to be tracked or autocrossed regularly, I would without a doubt go with SMG (as long as it is on the M-models and not the SSG previously offered on non-M E46's). If it was a car to go around town, I would probably go with the 6 speed.

Bruce 11-29-2005 06:05 PM

I have not driven a car with SMG.....but....I would lean towards the SMG.

philippek 11-29-2005 06:14 PM

From all reports the 6 speed will be an inferior product from a performance standpoint. So as much as it would pain me to do so, I'd probably go with the SMG.

E60orBust 11-30-2005 09:09 PM

I thought the whole point to the 7-speed SMG was to better utilize the 383lb-ft torque?

Even with two more cylinders and 100 or so more HP, wouldn't dropping down to a 6-speed defeat that power purpose?

KevinM 12-01-2005 09:14 PM

My opinion is possibly changing. I am a manual fanatic; every BMW I haved owned (3 so far) has been a manual. I was not happy that at first there was no true manual option on the E60 M5 and then very happy when it was clear there would be.

Since then I have been reading the impressions of the owners. The torque down low is seemingly not as much as in the E39 M5 and the engine needs and wants to be revved high to enjoy the amazing power band. Plus, the 7-speed SMG transmission was designed for this engine. So...

I am not in a hurry and based on BMW's reputation for getting the bugs out and doing a minor facelift during year 3 of production, I will await the first 6-speeds to arrive before making a decision. But I must confess, I am amazed I am even considering the SMG!

Garo666 12-04-2005 10:48 PM

I would probably go with the SMG, i have a 545 with smg and its the coolest thing. but if u dont want to be lazy and u wana use the clutch go for it , but were i live , in cali, the trafic can get prety bad and i dont want to keep shifting gears, so when there is trafic i use the auto feature and when there is an open road or when i just want some thrill i would just use the smg. judging by the performance of the smg on my 545, which is great, i cant wait to try the m5 in smg i think itl beeee increeeedible. so my answer is get the smg you wont regret it. :thumbup:

Tanin 12-27-2005 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinM
I am amazed I am even considering the SMG!

Almost makes you nauseous, doesnít it? Iím 12-15 months from making a purchase so I took comfort in the idea of waiting for the manual transmission. Unfortunately, the more info I read taints me toward the SMG (Iím disappointed in myself for typing that last line)

In the end though, I may consider giving up a slight performance edge for the overall driving experience rewarded with a manual transmission.

Jeff_DML 12-27-2005 09:47 AM

I am another die-hard manual but in the M5 I would be tempted to go SMG since it was designed for the car from the get go. The manual they are going to offer seems to be a kludge to appease american drivers :yikes:

latest C&D ripped on the new SMG, gave it a big :thumbdwn: But they seemed all messed up, called it 2nd gen SMG(guess for US it is), and said the manual was offered because they where not confident with the SMG or something like that :rolleyes:

Nick325xiT 5spd 12-27-2005 09:57 AM

FWIW, the SMG unit is a close ratio transmission. 7th gear on the SMG unit, and 6th gear on the manual will be the same.

ky_soldier 12-27-2005 11:44 AM

my take is this - very high performance vehicles like a 911 turbo, M5, etc are wonderful and fun in a manual version, but realistically, we humans cant shift fast enough to make the performance what it was intended to be, hence the SMG type transmissions. For me the decision was this, my wife likes manuals but has gotten to the point where it's more convenient to drive an auto vs a manual with the baby, phone, radio, etc. So I am opting for the SMG. Hopefully I can get the best of both worlds. We'll see.

Drew1967 05-03-2006 05:35 PM

I am facing the very same question:yikes: I am first on the list for the 2007 orders and have until the end of the year on my current lease, so timing isn't an isssue. I have to imagine that a 6-Speed is just more fun -- even if I lose .10 secs. Has anyone had any official confirmation that the '07 will indeed be offerred with a manual?

I have read a bunch of different reviews and nobody is fully in love with the SMG and its performance. However, I also read that the reason there was no manual to start was because of design reasons.

Obviously, I am still torn:mad: I would love any input:bigpimp:

ky_soldier 05-03-2006 09:46 PM

I don't know if I love the SMG as much as I love the paddle shifting, and this coming from a manual guy. can't wait to see the new paddles on the 335 like the new z4's have

760Lifan 05-04-2006 07:20 AM

I (obviously:D ) got SMG and I can only recommend it...:thumbup:
It's great to have the opportunity to drive this beast in Automatic as well.

Reefminis 05-04-2006 07:34 AM

I had an M3 w/SMG before my M5..........there is no comparison. The SMG III (M5) is so much better than SMG II (M3) its unbelievable.

Go SMG..........the way BMW M GmbH intended.

gbelton 05-04-2006 09:59 AM

Let Me Say This Only Once
 
SMG!

Don't be a silly Wabbit. 6MT was not made for this V10, 8500rpm, 7-Speed (Natively), 501HP Beast.

GMAN

silverstone 05-06-2006 09:53 PM

clutch versus videogame controller?
 
I own an E39 M5 and an E60 M5.

There is something more organic about communitcating with your car with a manual transmission. The E39 feels like it has more torque at lower RPMs and there is something about a clutch that is beautiful and raw. It is in many ways a more satisfying drive.

The paddles on the E60 are like using a videogame controller-- you push a button to change gears. There is obviously no clutch and I personally feel it is a less engaging way to access the 500hp engine. I only use auto mode when I am on the phone or in stop-and-go traffic because it blows. It really sucks to be in limbo mode between 1st and second gear. In the higher gear shifts it is relatively seamless.

On the more positive side of things; SMG shifts are cleaner, quicker, easier and downshifts sound fantastic! The car feels like it was meant for this transmission, period. When you drive the car you will know what I mean. You get used to the paddles and I would have to say that after driving the E60 for a couple of weeks now, a stick would feel out of place bigtime-- it's not right for the car regardless of how awesome it would be to control the V-10 directly. It would be like mating an atari joystick to a playstation two.

My great respect for the M division gave me no qualms about buying the SMG. They love what they make and they made the E60 M5 for SMG only, just like they made the E39 for a stick. They're the artists who created this gorgeous beast, I say go with the SMG.

hash 05-31-2006 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverstone
It would be like mating an atari joystick to a playstation two.

nice one here.. well being an owner of E39 and E60 M5 means you know ur stuff :thumbup:

anyways if i were to get an M5 i'll go for the SMG, but for the M Coupe i'm really glad they offer a manual :D

DJ_INHALE 06-01-2006 06:39 PM

I would like to get the m3 down the road some where but the new m3 I guess could be SMG only :( I love the foot action and my right hand. This could be my last bmw if the M isnt aval in a convertible with a 6 speed

wolverine 06-03-2006 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverstone
I own an E39 M5 and an E60 M5.

There is something more organic about communitcating with your car with a manual transmission. The E39 feels like it has more torque at lower RPMs and there is something about a clutch that is beautiful and raw. It is in many ways a more satisfying drive.

The paddles on the E60 are like using a videogame controller-- you push a button to change gears. There is obviously no clutch and I personally feel it is a less engaging way to access the 500hp engine. I only use auto mode when I am on the phone or in stop-and-go traffic because it blows. It really sucks to be in limbo mode between 1st and second gear. In the higher gear shifts it is relatively seamless.

On the more positive side of things; SMG shifts are cleaner, quicker, easier and downshifts sound fantastic! The car feels like it was meant for this transmission, period. When you drive the car you will know what I mean. You get used to the paddles and I would have to say that after driving the E60 for a couple of weeks now, a stick would feel out of place bigtime-- it's not right for the car regardless of how awesome it would be to control the V-10 directly. It would be like mating an atari joystick to a playstation two.

My great respect for the M division gave me no qualms about buying the SMG. They love what they make and they made the E60 M5 for SMG only, just like they made the E39 for a stick. They're the artists who created this gorgeous beast, I say go with the SMG.


I agree with pretty much everything you've said. I have almost 20,000 miles on my E60 M5 now, and I have to say there is no way I would want a manual in this car. I'll also say I was one of the biggest critics of the SMGII (had driven and tracked exclusively manuals for 20 years) before I got this car. I can also say that it took me a good 10,000 miles to get to the point where the SMG became second nature.

Have you gotten out of the 'break-in' period yet? If you haven't, you are in for one hell of a surprise!

firstm5 06-09-2006 11:51 AM

The more miles I drive (nearly 4,000) the more the SMGIII becomes second nature and the more addictive it becomes. However, launch control would be nice!

zeagle3 06-10-2006 03:15 PM

I agree with the consensus. I was going to wait as well for 6 speed but took delivery on the M5 SMG last week and I am in love. My M settings are in and I am sure I will never look back .:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Jerry Dunton 07-06-2006 09:45 PM

The SMG is fabulous....

I now have 7 months in my beast and now 10,000 miles and I have to say that it is a technological marvel that gives me a kick every mile. It just doesn't get any better and you really have to spend some time with this vehicle to fully appreciate the many benifits and performance advantages.

Jerry

chuck92103 07-06-2006 09:54 PM

The manual is the only tranny to give you full excitement and thrill. However, only 6 gears instead of 7.

The SMG is a great tranny but say goodbye to revving at the lights, disengaging the clutch easily, etc.

Tough call, but I would opt for the SMG.

LoneStarM3 07-06-2006 10:05 PM

Had the SMG (in M3) for about 8 months now and I wouldn't take for it!
I had the same concern before ordering, but after using it a while I like it better every time I drive it.

It takes a while to get a SMG habit pattern, i.e., where downshifts seem natural etc -
but it is quick and a blast....


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