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klu123 04-24-2006 08:32 AM

Will the 300hp bi-turbo come to the new X5?
 
We've seen so many spy pics of the new X5, so its style is no longer a guess. What about its engine?

BMW just released the news of 335 coupe last Friday. It REPLACES 330. So based on BMW's tradition, sooner or later we'll see 335 sedan, 535 and X5 3.5 (or X5 3.0T, whatever the name is). My question is, when?

For MY2007, we know there won't be 535 since 2007 530 is taking orders now. For 2007 3 series sedan, it's still unknown and there are guesses. What about X5?

The V8 model will probably use the 4.8L, but the entry-level I6?
1) The carry-over 225hp 3.0L N/A. Too old and too weak for a new show.
2) The 255hp 3.0L N/A. It doesn't make sense that BMW puts this engine into X5 just for 1 year, then switches to the turbo in MY2008.
3) The 300hp bi-turbo. Its 300 lb torque (started at 1500rpm) is a great fit for a heavy vehicle like X5, but it's risky to put the brand new engine into multiple model lines at once.

Any idea or info?

LABMW.JW 04-25-2006 10:46 PM

No turbo for X5

E70 2007 X5

3rd Row Option
new generation I Drive
Production starts 10/06
On sell 1/07
X5 3.0 255hp
X5 4.8 340hp
X5 4.4 discontinued

klu123 04-26-2006 07:34 AM

If no turbo for X5 for ever, for years, we'll see a 3400lb 335 having 300lb-ft torque, while a 4800lb X5 3.0 having only 220 lb-ft. It doesn't make any sense to me. It is X5, not 3, who needs more low-rpm torque badly.

If the 255hp N/A is only for MY2007 (i.e., turbo in MY2008), it doesn't make sense either. In MY2006, when everyone (3, 5, Z) got the new 255hp 3L, X5 stayed with the old 225hp version. Why? because MY2006 is the last model year for X5, it's not worthy putting a new engine in just for 1 year of production. Samething, it's not worthy putting in the 255hp new engine just for 1 year.

The only reason for this 255hp new engine's 1-year tenture is, I think, BMW is not 100% confident with the new bi-turbo engine yet. They wants to try it first on 3, fix all the problems, then put it in 5, X3, X5, etc.

X550-ED 04-26-2006 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klu123
If no turbo for X5 for ever, for years, we'll see a 3400lb 335 having 300lb-ft torque, while a 4800lb X5 3.0 having only 220 lb-ft. It doesn't make any sense to me. It is X5, not 3, who needs more low-rpm torque badly.

If the 255hp N/A is only for MY2007 (i.e., turbo in MY2008), it doesn't make sense either. In MY2006, when everyone (3, 5, Z) got the new 255hp 3L, X5 stayed with the old 225hp version. Why? because MY2006 is the last model year for X5, it's not worthy putting a new engine in just for 1 year of production. Samething, it's not worthy putting in the 255hp new engine just for 1 year.

The only reason for this 255hp new engine's 1-year tenture is, I think, BMW is not 100% confident with the new bi-turbo engine yet. They wants to try it first on 3, fix all the problems, then put it in 5, X3, X5, etc.

You sure the X5 is only 4800 lbs? Last time I checked (earlier this morning), it showed 6000 lbs on bmwusa.com

X550-ED 04-26-2006 03:10 PM

Never mind, it's 4652 (4696) lbs. Towing was 6000 lbs.

SignHere 04-26-2006 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LABMW.JW
No turbo for X5

E70 2007 X5

3rd Row Option
new generation I Drive
Production starts 10/06
On sell 1/07
X5 3.0 255hp
X5 4.8 340hp
X5 4.4 discontinued


Actually the official production of the 2007 X5 starts on October 1 2006 with the official introduction date of Novenber 24th 2006.

The vehicle is about 7.5 inches longer than the previous X5.

The turbo engine will not be in the introduction models, but that doesn't mean BMW won't consider putting that powertrain in the X5 somewhere down the road.

LABMW.JW 04-26-2006 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SignHere
Actually the official production of the 2007 X5 starts on October 1 2006 with the official introduction date of Novenber 24th 2006.

The vehicle is about 7.5 inches longer than the previous X5.

The turbo engine will not be in the introduction models, but that doesn't mean BMW won't consider putting that powertrain in the X5 somewhere down the road.


Isn't that what I wrote?

SignHere 04-27-2006 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LABMW.JW
Isn't that what I wrote?

All I was correcting was the official introduction date of Nov 24 2006 versus the Jan 2007 of your original post.

Earlier is better...right?!? ;-)

LABMW.JW 04-27-2006 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SignHere
All I was correcting was the official introduction date of Nov 24 2006 versus the Jan 2007 of your original post.

Earlier is better...right?!? ;-)

Im not sure what the official US intro date is...what Im sure of is it officially goes on sale 1/07. Im going to AZ 12/15 for the X5 ride/drive.

I don't think BMW is crazy enough to introduce a car to the US public during a 4 day Thanksgiving weekend.

SignHere 04-29-2006 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LABMW.JW
Im not sure what the official US intro date is...what Im sure of is it officially goes on sale 1/07. Im going to AZ 12/15 for the X5 ride/drive.

I don't think BMW is crazy enough to introduce a car to the US public during a 4 day Thanksgiving weekend.

I'd be wiiling to bet on it. Have a good time at the R&D!

klu123 05-10-2006 01:34 PM

Here is something from London, UK. Any comments or news for US?

Quote:

According to car magazine, the new x5 has been delayed until march 2007 and will feature the following engines when it comes out

3.0 turbo diesel : 231bhp/500nm at 1750rpm
3.0 bi-turbo diesel : 281bhp/580nm at 1600 rpm

3.0 bi-turbo petrol : 306bhp/400nm at 1500 rpm
4.4 bi-turbo petrol V8 : 408bhp/600nm at 1400 rpm AMG like torque

klu123 05-10-2006 01:41 PM

Not surprised by the 306hp (300hp in US) I6, but 408 hp (400hp in US) V8? Hard to believe it.

If so, it will be the fastest mass-production SUV in the world. Yes, Cayenne S Turbo has more hp, but it also carries 500lb more weight.


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