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xdrive 09-16-2006 07:02 PM

Size of the E70?
 
Has anyone here have a chance to stand next to an E70 and check out the size of this upcoming SAV? Some people from other forums are saying that this E70 is a lot bigger than the E53. This is a bit worrying.

chuck92103 09-16-2006 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdrive (Post 1919596)
Has anyone here have a chance to stand next to an E70 and check out the size of this upcoming SAV? Some people from other forums are saying that this E70 is a lot bigger than the E53. This is a bit worrying.

Actually it is about the same size. Just a tiny bit bigger. Just looks like a big X3 now.

I saw one driving in LA a few weeks ago. It had camo tape. looked like a big X3. However, it did not look any larger. The links below says it will be a little larger. But we are talking centimeters, not feet.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...-x5-spy-photos

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=105424

Tine 09-16-2006 07:31 PM

.......... E70* / E53

Lenght: 4,854mm / 4,667mm (+187mm = +7.36in)

Width: 1,933mm / 1,872mm (+61mm = +2.4in)

Height (incl. roof rails): 1,766mm / 1,750mm (+16mm = +0.63in)

Wheelbase: 2,933mm / 2,820mm (+113mm = +4.45in)

_________________________________________________

Lagguage capacity: 620L to 1,750L / 465L to 1,550L (+155L to +200L = +5.47c.ft. to +7.06c.ft.)
_________________________________________________

Track front: 1,644mm / 1,576mm (+68mm = +2.68in)

Track rear: 1,650mm / 1,576mm (+74mm = +2.91in)
__________________________________________________ ____

Interior width front: 1,523mm / 1,504mm (+19mm = +0.75in)

Interior width rear: 1,474mm / 1,484mm (-10mm = -0.39in)

Headroom front: 998mm / 1,013mm (-15mm = -0.59in)

Headroom rear: 991mm / 977mm (+14mm = +0.55in)




E70* without panorama roof & no 3rd row seats


:thumbup:


PS:
1mm = 0.03937 inch
1L = 0.0353 cubic ft.

chuck92103 09-16-2006 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tine;

PS:
1mm = 0.3937 inch
1L = 0.0353 cubic ft.

Need another zero in there. .03937

Translation, the new X5 is about 7 inches longer. Depending on the bumpers you may never see the difference.

xdrive 09-17-2006 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck92103 (Post 1919598)
Actually it is about the same size. Just a tiny bit bigger. Just looks like a big X3 now.

Chuck, luky you. Looking at my ruler, 7 inches doesn't seem to be a lot. But without seeing the car in person, it is a bit hard to judge how much bigger will the E70 be with the 7 inches extension. It would be great if BMW releases a pic with an E70 parked next to an E53.

AW328i 09-17-2006 05:36 AM

One of the mag articles I read said that it would be 4.5 inches longer, 2.5 wider and a .5 inch taller. Where are you getting your info?

xdrive 09-17-2006 06:10 PM

I think BMW has issued a press release which you can find on the bmwusa website.

Tine, any chance of a photo of the E70 standing next to an E53?

klu123 09-18-2006 07:33 AM

I guess the bigger X5 is probably also heavier. Curb weight - any data?

Tine 09-18-2006 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klu123 (Post 1921461)
I guess the bigger X5 is probably also heavier. Curb weight - any data?

E53 3.0i manual: 2,110kg (2,130kg automatic)
E53 4.4i automatic: 2,235kg

E70 3.0si automatic: 2,200kg (2,260kg with 3rd row seats)
E70 4.8i automatic: 2,360kg (2,420kg with 3rd row seats)





1kg = 2,204622618 lb.




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To xdrive: Sorry, I have no pictures of E53 & E70 standing next to each other.

klu123 09-19-2006 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tine (Post 1921664)
E53 3.0i manual: 2,110kg (2,130kg automatic)
E53 4.4i automatic: 2,235kg

E70 3.0si automatic: 2,200kg (2,260kg with 3rd row seats)
E70 4.8i automatic: 2,360kg (2,420kg with 3rd row seats)

Thanks.

So E70 is about 200-300 lb heavier. Considering its grwoth in size (7-in longer and 2-in wider), the gain is weight is minimum. But anyway, it's a 5000 lb animal.

xdrive 09-22-2006 05:42 PM

For those who have seen the E70 (mule) in person, do you think visually the E70 is a lot larger than the Merc ML or Audi Q7?

Tine 09-23-2006 03:44 AM

Its appeaance looks most similar to Volvo XC90 & Porsche Cayenne. Yet the styling is nicer. :thumbup: Not so bloated as Cayenne's, and not so angular as XC90's.

Mercedes-Benz ML looks much taller & boxish, while Audi Q7 looks (and is) much longer, and a lower - more cossover-ish (more like a HUGE A6 Avant).

And, yes - it looks (and indeed is) bigger than E53: especally lenght & width. It appears less box-ish than E53. Also it looks lower - since the proportions are changed (longer, wider, but same height).

But do not worry - since similar lines E70 doesn't look alien vs E53. Still I had no hard times mistaking E70 for E53 - the change in styling & size is quite prominent IRL. But definitely not alien!

Bimmer4life 09-23-2006 07:59 AM

I'm still waiting for the US specs on the E70 to appear. I'm still undecided which new vehicle I want from BMW. Owned an E46 for the past 7 yrs and not sure I want another 3 series, thought of the X3 but too much like the E46 inside. Test drove the 2006 X5 and like it now I'm waiting for the 2007 to decide.

Here are the specs from catalog on 2006 model X5 to compare when we get 2007 specs
(=auto)

3.0i
weight 4652 lbs (4696) lbs
wheelbase 111.0
Length 183.7
Width 73.7
Height 67.5
Ground Clearance 8.3

4.4i (same order as above)
4927
111.0
183.7
73.7
67.2
8.0

4.8is (same order as above)
5016
111.0
183.7
73.7
67.2
6.5

In addition same for all 3 above is
Shoulder Room F/R 58.0/57.2
Headroom F/R 39.9/38.5

xdrive 09-24-2006 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tine (Post 1930263)
Its appeaance looks most similar to Volvo XC90 & Porsche Cayenne. Yet the styling is nicer. :thumbup: Not so bloated as Cayenne's, and not so angular as XC90's. Mercedes-Benz ML looks much taller & boxish, while Audi Q7 looks (and is) much longer, and a lower - more cossover-ish (more like a HUGE A6 Avant).

And, yes - it looks (and indeed is) bigger than E53: especally lenght & width. It appears less box-ish than E53. Also it looks lower - since the proportions are changed (longer, wider, but same height).

But do not worry - since similar lines E70 doesn't look alien vs E53. Still I had no hard times mistaking E70 for E53 - the change in styling & size is quite prominent IRL. But definitely not alien!

For some reason I always thought that (at least visually) the XC90 is the smallest amongst the ML, Q7 and Cayenne. When you say "bigger" than E53, I hope you don't mean huge. I hope the E70 won't be too big visually. I've seen the Q7 in person, it looks pretty low amongst the XC90, ML and Cayenne although it is quite long. Is the E70 lower than the Q7?

Tine, two more questions for you, will you be worried if you are going to buy the initial batch of the E70? Is it better to wait till Jan 07?

Tine 09-24-2006 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdrive (Post 1931433)
For some reason I always thought that (at least visually) the XC90 is the smallest amongst the ML, Q7 and Cayenne. When you say "bigger" than E53, I hope you don't mean huge. I hope the E70 won't be too big visually. I've seen the Q7 in person, it looks pretty low amongst the XC90, ML and Cayenne although it is quite long. Is the E70 lower than the Q7?

Tine, two more questions for you, will you be worried if you are going to buy the initial batch of the E70? Is it better to wait till Jan 07?

No, E70 do not look huge against E53. Bigger - yes, but not huge.

Q7 definitely looks lower than E70. And much longer!

Regarding initial bunch: engines are proved since they have been used in other models for quite a long time; suspension is a copy of 7-series' suspension - so it is also proved; xDrive - proved; DTC+: proved - since it debuted in E90 3-series; active steering: proved; HUD: proved; gearbox: proved (debuted in facelifted Z4 3.0si).

Since there is almost no completely new tech used in E70, I'm sure the car will have extremely low number of defects. Also BMW's quality control is much more strict today.

Like I said: E70 looks like merging Cayenne & XC90 together. E70 have very nice proportions. Especially due bigger width.

xdrive 09-24-2006 06:17 PM

Thanks for the great info. Really can't wait to see the real thing in person. Hopefully they will release the brochure soon.

I didn't know the latest Z4 already uses the advanced steptronic gearbox. Wow.


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