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PJG 11-19-2009 07:10 AM

Control arm install question: Bushing side
 
OK...I just installed a new center link, tie rods, sway bar links, and all 4 control arms on my 92' 525 :D. I have read in the Bentley that the front wheels need to be on the ground and the car needs to be level before tightening the bushings....I have read a few posts here that say to put the front on ramps so that you can get to the bushing bolts.....will the angle that the car sits on the ramps affect the bushings when tightened or does it really just need the weight of the car at any angle? I really don't want to do all of this and wind up damaging the bushings when tightening....I was thinking I would put the front on ramps and rear on blocks but only if it is necessary....
Thanks for any advice!!!!!

south26 11-19-2009 08:04 AM

Just put the car on ramps and you will be fine, it needs the weight. I have also done it with out any weight (I did not read the manual:() and it does cause them to wear faster.

Then get the front aligned.

Andy

strobelite 11-19-2009 12:09 PM

did you do the arms, or just the bushings? if just bushings, how hard was it to get them into the control arm?

PJG 11-19-2009 06:22 PM

I got the arms with bushing, the ball joint boots were all torn up, didn't see the point in replacing the bushing and keeping torn boots......

PJG 11-19-2009 06:35 PM

Steering issue???? need help please.....
 
OK, I posted earlier that I replaced the center link, L & R tie rods, sway bar links, and all 4 control arms.....I tightened the bushing ends tonight and took it for a ride....the car feels tighter, no shimmy when brakes are applied....:)....BUT....now it does not return to center when I turn the wheel.....ex: When turning left, if I would let go of the wheel mid-turn I would go in circles....:mad:....I loosened the box adjustment as loose as possible, I checked the torque on the idler arm bolt.....am I missing something???? It did not have this problem before....When backing out of my driveway the wheel returned to center, felt normal, but going forward is a different story....I pulled into my driveway and turned the wheel almost all the way to the R, I then let go of the wheel and it continued turning until it was turned all the way ...?????
Any ideas????? Please:cry:

injunmort 11-20-2009 08:13 AM

did you measure the old tie rods when you took them out. the new ones should be adjusted to the same length when they are installed. after all this work you have the car aligned asap. fwiw.

PJG 11-20-2009 05:20 PM

Yes, I measured them and got them as close as i could...While this was going on I had the struts hanging down (no control arms attached) I imagine the alignment is off regardless of how close I got the tie rods....I really would not have imagined that alignment would do this but I guess it would....right? :confused:

Tourburgring 11-21-2009 10:49 AM

Alignment can make a big difference. Even though you got the tie-rod length close, you have now taken up any wear in all the ball joints and bushings, so the alignment is definitely going to be off.

Nice looking 944 in the background by the way.:)

ruf-porsche 11-30-2009 04:37 PM

Take it into Pep girl for an alignment. No need to take it to a fancy smacy suspension shop since the only adjustment is TOE.

Dynamic Entry 12-02-2009 08:25 AM

I disagree. It sounds like he needs more than toe.

Caster is what returns the wheel to center is it not? It sounds to me like you have removed all of the caster in your alignment that will straighten out your front wheels when moving forward.

Wiki

nmp411 12-02-2009 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruf-porsche (Post 4726760)
Take it into Pep girl for an alignment. No need to take it to a fancy smacy suspension shop since the only adjustment is TOE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynamic Entry (Post 4731391)
I disagree. It sounds like he needs more than toe.

Caster is what returns the wheel to center is it not? It sounds to me like you have removed all of the caster in your alignment that will straighten out your front wheels when moving forward.

Wiki

What porsche is saying is that the only adjustable position on e34's is the toe.
You can no adjust caster, and you can only adjust camber if you purchase aftermarket camber plates.

PJG 12-02-2009 01:49 PM

Well I took the car to a local Ford dealer that had a sale on alignments ($30 for front end alignment)...One thing I did was forget that I had adjusted my steering box screw all the way out, their report came back saying that my steering box was loose, i wish i had adjusted it back and then had them check it...Anyway....The car is about 95% better, the wheel returns almost all the way....Would all new parts make for stiffness in the steering and affect the return of the wheel? Another possibility is that The box is still a little tight from me adjusting it back....I guess I could adjust it out a little more but I don't want it to be too loose...right now there is a little "play" when going straight....but I think I have some issues in the rear that need addressed too (dogbones are SHOT)....
long story short....the Alignment Helped :thumbup:
BTW: the 944 Turbo belongs to my Brother.....He actually just got an e34 for a daily driver...I have already been giving him advice based on what i have learned from this site and my own personal e34 adventures.....
Thanks for all of the help!!!!

Dynamic Entry 12-02-2009 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmp411 (Post 4731596)
the only adjustable position on e34's is the toe.
You can not adjust caster, and you can only adjust camber if you purchase aftermarket camber plates.


I see. Good to know thank you!


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