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Hersh 03-13-2010 04:05 PM

Buying my 335 coupe this week. Need some advice.
 
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Is this a good deal? And should I go with a silver exterior or black?

Blubaron79 03-13-2010 04:41 PM

Get the 18 inch wheels, and the comfort access. Space Grey is the way to go!

Hersh 03-13-2010 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Blubaron79 (Post 5014800)
Get the 18 inch wheels, and the comfort access. Space Grey is the way to go!

Comfort access is a great idea. Is there any functional advantage to the 18" wheels?

DrGP 03-13-2010 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersh (Post 5014840)
Comfort access is a great idea. Is there any functional advantage to the 18" wheels?

18" wheels will look nicer. Most will say that they ride harsher than 17" wheels, but IMHO it depends on the tire and air pressure you use. They will cost more to replace than 17" tires . I like the CA in my car when it works, which is about 90% of the time. If you like to clean your car all the time and still have the car not look clean, go with black . IMHO, it is the best looking color at least for the first 1 hr after the car is washed. If you are not a car washing fanatic, the silver will hide the dirt very well and will appear clean longer then most colors.

Hersh 03-13-2010 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DrGP (Post 5014984)
18" wheels will look nicer. Most will say that they ride harsher than 17" wheels, but IMHO it depends on the tire and air pressure you use. They will cost more to replace than 17" tires . I like the CA in my car when it works, which is about 90% of the time. If you like to clean your car all the time and still have the car not look clean, go with black . IMHO, it is the best looking color at least for the first 1 hr after the car is washed. If you are not a car washing fanatic, the silver will hide the dirt very well and will appear clean longer then most colors.

You have articulated my quandary well. Living in the northeast, the car will stay dirty most of the time. But since this is my mid-life crisis car, I can't help but crave the beauty of a freshly washed black BMW.

I am not sure the 18" are necessary for me. I am already getting the sports package with the nice rims. I don't want to come across as trying too hard to look younger.

Nobody has mentioned price. I am getting the impression that BMW prices are fixed, and only the deal of the moment applies?

Kamdog 03-13-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersh (Post 5015068)
You have articulated my quandary well. Living in the northeast, the car will stay dirty most of the time. But since this is my mid-life crisis car, I can't help but crave the beauty of a freshly washed black BMW.

I am not sure the 18" are necessary for me. I am already getting the sports package with the nice rims. I don't want to come across as trying too hard to look younger.

Nobody has mentioned price. I am getting the impression that BMW prices are fixed, and only the deal of the moment applies?

No. Everything is negotiable. He is showing you list price. Now that they took off the invoice price listings, you have to do a bit more research as to what is a good price.

Edmonds gives an invoice base price of $40,985 (no options). I would go over there and price your options, and see what they say others are paying. Then, I would tell the dealer you want, say, $500 over the Edmonds invoice, and take the negotiation from there.

magbarn 03-13-2010 07:34 PM

You should be getting $2500 off invoice if this is a 2010. Also please get comfort access. I would be very irritated with my car if I didn't get it.
Are you sure you don't want to wait for the 2011?

Hersh 03-13-2010 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by magbarn (Post 5015177)
You should be getting $2500 off invoice if this is a 2010. Also please get comfort access. I would be very irritated with my car if I didn't get it.
Are you sure you don't want to wait for the 2011?

Thanks for the heads-up. The dealers have told me there is less negotiation if I wait for a 2011. When I checked Edmunds, as suggested above, others are paying $49703. Should I subtract the $2500 from that amount, or does that include the $2500 discount?

The invoice, according to Edmunds is $48,200. I assume trying to negotiate that low is not realistic?

magbarn 03-13-2010 09:46 PM

Your leverage is that this car will be out of date by next month. Edmunds is kinda out-dated. Even if the dealer sold you the car for invoice, they're still making over $2500 on you. You can go up to your dealer and for a quick deal, offer them $1250 under invoice to split the $2500 discount. If they can't even do that, I'd walk.

Tari 03-14-2010 12:07 AM

Wait for the IS!!!

luxun54 03-14-2010 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hersh (Post 5015258)
When I checked Edmunds, as suggested above, others are paying $49703. Should I subtract the $2500 from that amount, or does that include the $2500 discount?

The invoice, according to Edmunds is $48,200. I assume trying to negotiate that low is not realistic?

People are ordering 2011s now and are reporting deals at $500 to $1500 over invoice. You are in a competitive market, so you could probably get a 2011 for invoice +$1000, more or less. That suggests that you shouldn't be paying very much above invoice for a 2010, or even at or below invoice if you hang tough and your dealer wants to unload the car.

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Originally Posted by Hersh (Post 5015258)
Thanks for the heads-up. The dealers have told me there is less negotiation if I wait for a 2011.

As suggested above, you will probably pay a bit more for a 2011 vs. 2010, but not as much more as your dealer wants you to think. And when it comes time for resale, assuming you sell 3 or 4 years after delivery either way, the difference in depreciation will be MUCH greater on a 2010 vs. 2011 (that is, MUCH greater than the difference in purchase price), because it will be treated by the schedules as one year older than the 2011, even though you might have bought either one at the same time.

magbarn 03-14-2010 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by luxun54 (Post 5016008)
As suggested above, you will probably pay a bit more for a 2011 vs. 2010, but not as much more as your dealer wants you to think. And when it comes time for resale, assuming you sell 3 or 4 years after delivery either way, the difference in depreciation will be MUCH greater on a 2010 vs. 2011 (that is, MUCH greater than the difference in purchase price), because it will be treated by the schedules as one year older than the 2011, even though you might have bought either one at the same time.

Yup, I was in the same situation with my ordered 2010. Unfortunately when I placed my order it was only unsubstantiated rumors at the time that the 2011 E90 would be out in April, much earlier than usual. So I took a year depreciation hit, when I could've waited for an extra month. And, if you're going to lease, I'd wait a few months for the lease rate to improve on the 2011. It's still a buyer's market for cars, not a seller's market.

mbhforum 03-14-2010 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by magbarn (Post 5016101)
Yup, I was in the same situation with my ordered 2010. Unfortunately when I placed my order it was only unsubstantiated rumors at the time that the 2011 E90 would be out in April, much earlier than usual. So I took a year depreciation hit, when I could've waited for an extra month. And, if you're going to lease, I'd wait a few months for the lease rate to improve on the 2011. It's still a buyer's market for cars, not a seller's market.

Plus, with an 11, you wouldn't be able to get Monaco Blue :) That's why I ordered a 2010

RG1 03-14-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hersh (Post 5014721)
Is this a good deal? And should I go with a silver exterior or black?

You could do better with European Delivery, and you could get a color other than silver or black, which I consider boring. I concur with the other posts about comfort access. It's a great option.

Hersh 03-14-2010 10:56 AM

You have all given me much to think about. I thought my dealer was being up front, but he said he wouldn't budge on the price and discouraged me from a 2011. Now I've got some thinking to do.

Orient330iNYC 03-14-2010 11:22 AM

the 2500 is above and beyond invoice pricing, so if invoice pricing was 50,000, for a purchase, you would take the 2500 off and start from there, so a 500 over invoice deal would be 50,500 - 2500= 48000.

for a lease, the 2500 - sales tax would come as a cap cost reduction.

are you dealing with herb chambers?

magbarn 03-14-2010 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hersh (Post 5016263)
You have all given me much to think about. I thought my dealer was being up front, but he said he wouldn't budge on the price and discouraged me from a 2011. Now I've got some thinking to do.

Run, don't walk away from this one. There should be dealer sponsors here from the East coast that should be able to give you a much better deal. You may have to drive a bit extra, I drove an extra 50 miles away to get the best deal in my area. Your local dealer still has to service your car anyway, even if you bought it somewhere else.

Hersh 03-14-2010 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC (Post 5016328)
the 2500 is above and beyond invoice pricing, so if invoice pricing was 50,000, for a purchase, you would take the 2500 off and start from there, so a 500 over invoice deal would be 50,500 - 2500= 48000.

for a lease, the 2500 - sales tax would come as a cap cost reduction.

are you dealing with herb chambers?

How did you know? They insist they will not lose a customer over price. Any insights?

Orient330iNYC 03-14-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersh (Post 5016406)
How did you know? They insist they will not lose a customer over price. Any insights?

i've heard not so good things about them.
in the area, i think bmw of peabody is a site sponsor, give them a shout.

btw, 2010 335i coupes (the incentive is on 2010s, not 2011s) are getting thin in supply in the northeast. sedans are plentiful (relatively), you may need to be flexible.

Hersh 03-14-2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC (Post 5016627)
i've heard not so good things about them.
in the area, i think bmw of peabody is a site sponsor, give them a shout.

The quote I just got from Sudbury was significantly higher. I had them confused with Peabody. :-(

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Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC (Post 5016627)
btw, 2010 335i coupes (the incentive is on 2010s, not 2011s) are getting thin in supply in the northeast. sedans are plentiful (relatively), you may need to be flexible.

I think I've been talked into the 2011. What a difference a rainy weekend and a BMW forum make. :-)

magbarn 03-14-2010 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersh (Post 5017747)
The quote I just got from Sudbury was significantly higher. I had them confused with Peabody. :-(



I think I've been talked into the 2011. What a difference a rainy weekend and a BMW forum make. :-)

Good choice! Yup, salesman HATE bimmerfest-informed buyers! :bigpimp:
Salesman will always try to convice you the car on their lot is "one-of-a-kind" and you'll have to wait "months" to order one. But guess what, You'll be paying for the next 3-5 years for this car or you must've saved up for awhile to pay cash for it. Makes sense to wait a few months if you can, to get the best deal and the car you want.

Hersh 03-19-2010 09:10 PM

The quotes I am getting for the 2011's are $5k to $10k more. Will there be any 2011 incentives? All the dealers are giving astronomical quotes.

Is the difference between the 2010 and 2011 that great?

angler 03-19-2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersh (Post 5032079)
The quotes I am getting for the 2011's are $5k to $10k more. Will there be any 2011 incentives? All the dealers are giving astronomical quotes.

Is the difference between the 2010 and 2011 that great?

you must be mistaken, are you comparing apples to apples when you say that? Even with the 2500 credit it is hard to believe that they would ask 7500 more for the same car.:confused:

Blubaron79 03-19-2010 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersh (Post 5014840)
Comfort access is a great idea. Is there any functional advantage to the 18" wheels?

You get the oil cooler!

Hersh 03-20-2010 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by angler (Post 5032188)
you must be mistaken, are you comparing apples to apples when you say that? Even with the 2500 credit it is hard to believe that they would ask 7500 more for the same car.:confused:

Yes, I am comparing apples to apples. As you see, I have a quote already. It isn't rocket science to look at the features for the 2010 and tell me what the equivalent would be for a 2011. I must admit that I've corresponded with several dealers and not one yet has given me a quote with exactly all the same features and comfort assist.

This is really getting frustrating for me. I have $40k CASH and will finance the rest. In this economy I thought I'd be landing a sweet deal. I am starting to have second thoughts. Maybe it is not my time?


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