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IgotBMW 08-08-2010 06:47 PM

Front Crankshaft Oil Seal DIY
 
Anyone have a good link. I'm searched the net and haven't come across one.

thanks.

drivinfaster 08-08-2010 07:29 PM

pretty simple job, a bit cramped for non-regular diy'ers. depending on the tools you have available.

secure the vehicle on stands (or lift, if available)

remove the belts

remove the crank bolt (an impact gun works well here...)

remove the balancer, crank gear, and hub.

remove old oil seal.



since the housing is aluminum, i do not suggest banging the new seal in without lots of caution as to not damage anything. you may wish to size up the new seal with a socket*, or, use a piece of pvc pipe and washer(s) and use the crank bolt to seat the new seal.

*a regular seal driver will not work due to the snout of the crankshaft sticking out beyond the lip of the timing cover.


other than that it's pretty simple. i do suggest proper torque specs, though. the crank bolt is listed at 303ft lbs, and is suggested to be replaced with a new one. (might be torque to yield design, not sure)


df

IgotBMW 08-08-2010 10:37 PM

Thanks, drivinfaster!

May have to leave this to the Pro's.

IgotBMW 08-20-2010 07:37 PM

drivinfaster, I may take a crack at DIY on this.

Do you know if I will need a Crankshaft puller to pull the Crankshaft Pulley off?

drivinfaster 08-21-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IgotBMW (Post 5411199)
drivinfaster, I may take a crack at DIY on this.

Do you know if I will need a Crankshaft puller to pull the Crankshaft Pulley off?

no, it is bolted to the snout hub. undo the bolts that hold it to the hub, and then undo the crank bolt. the hub should slide off the crank snout with the crank bolt removed.

did you get a new crank bolt?? they're not supposed to be reused per bmw.


df

hornhospital 08-21-2010 04:29 PM

df, to verify your speculation, the crank bolt is indeed a "torque to yield" fastener. That's why it can't be reused (as you guessed).

FenderBender 08-21-2010 05:41 PM

You need a nice impact gun too.

Make sure to torque to spec afterward, it's somewhere around 300+ ft pounds. If you just use an impact gun, it WILL come loose.

IgotBMW 08-21-2010 08:14 PM

Didn't know about the bolt.

I'm glad this forum exist. You guys are so helpful.

What do I do if I only have an electric impact wrench with only 220 lbs/ft max?

jonesin 08-21-2010 08:48 PM

Be strong.

FenderBender 08-21-2010 09:15 PM

VERY strong!

You'll need a very long breaker bar at minimum.

AdmKlondikebar 08-22-2010 12:01 AM

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ethereal45 02-19-2012 07:38 PM

Bumping this because I think I'm going to have to do it soon -- this can really be done without ripping the timing case apart? I think this is where my oil leak is coming from.

I assume you have to remove the radiator to get enough clearance in there, right? How do you get the old seal out? How do you stop the crank from turning when you are trying to get the bolt off? Do you need one of the tools to hold it in place (or could you do it with the locking pin?).

I need to pinpoint my oil leak, but I think it could be my front crank seal. I saw some pictures somewhere else that looked exactly like I was experiencing and he solved it through replacing the front crank seal.

Edit - my leak looks exactly like this. This guy talked about replacing the hub behind the crank pulley....why would that be necessary? http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=188324

drivinfaster 02-20-2012 02:03 PM

the oil seal has a spring that holds tension to the hub. over time, and this is lots of time mind you, this pressure will cause a seal to wear into the hub creating a little groove.

this groove could allow oil to seep past even with a new seal.

there are 'fixes' for this on more common vehicle makes, like small block chevy and ford motors, that consists of a thin metal sleeve that gets pushed over the snout to create a freash surface for the seal to seal against.

there are (apparently) similar 'fix-its' for the rear main sel as well, but i do not know if there are any made for the bmw motors. (i did not bother to check, but i'm sure a quick google will reveal any possible repair kits out there)

most repairs for the oil seal do not require the replacement of the hub. only if it is grooved.

a regular seal puller should be sufficent to remove the old seal.



df

ethereal45 02-20-2012 02:11 PM

So can you get this bolt off with an impact? Or do I need to get the crank locking tool and go to down with an epic breaker bar/pipe combo?

Why do you need a seal puller, can't you just pop it out with a thin flathead? (Sorry, I have no experience with rotational seals like this....)

drivinfaster 02-20-2012 04:00 PM

yes, an impact will be helpful.

yes, a crank locking pin will be useful to torque the new crank bolt down properly. (they're torque to yeild, so they need to be replaced)

yes, a screwdriver will work, but the seal puller has a curved shape which adds leverage and pivot point that you do not get with a screwdriver.




df

veteran011 02-20-2012 09:18 PM

ethereal if you do this please take DETAILED pics. i may have to do the same job...

i <3 you! :)

MrToSlo 03-15-2012 09:55 AM

i may have to do this and want to confirm the parts that need to be replaced. i'm going off the parts listed here - http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...35&hg=11&fg=18




also, do any other parts need to be replaced besides what is listed above?

IgotBMW 03-15-2012 10:39 AM

Look under Engine Housing.

On my M44 it's shown like this:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...85&hg=11&fg=10

For my car, it's part
03 Shaft seal 44X60X10 1 11141439570 $24.92

MrToSlo 03-15-2012 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IgotBMW (Post 6703330)
Look under Engine Housing.

On my M44 it's shown like this:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...85&hg=11&fg=10

For my car, it's part
03 Shaft seal 44X60X10 1 11141439570 $24.92


thanks! updated my post.

drivinfaster 03-15-2012 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal45 (Post 6643347)
Bumping this because I think I'm going to have to do it soon -- this can really be done without ripping the timing case apart? I think this is where my oil leak is coming from.

I assume you have to remove the radiator to get enough clearance in there, right? How do you get the old seal out? How do you stop the crank from turning when you are trying to get the bolt off? Do you need one of the tools to hold it in place (or could you do it with the locking pin?).

I need to pinpoint my oil leak, but I think it could be my front crank seal. I saw some pictures somewhere else that looked exactly like I was experiencing and he solved it through replacing the front crank seal.

Edit - my leak looks exactly like this. This guy talked about replacing the hub behind the crank pulley....why would that be necessary? http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=188324

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrToSlo (Post 6703240)
i may have to do this and want to confirm the parts that need to be replaced. i'm going off the parts listed here - http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...35&hg=11&fg=18




also, do any other parts need to be replaced besides what is listed above?

ok, this is twice...where are you guys getting the idea that the hub needs to be replaced?? i am not aware that this is a wear part, and subject to needing replacement on occasion. it is also not like a bearing that could be damaged upon removal, so i don't think that would be it.

please essplainz, as i are confuzzeded...:dunno:

there is no explanation as to why the hub was replaced in the thread...i checked...



df

cj.surr 03-15-2012 08:40 PM

Just for reference, an average air wrench is not going to get that bolt off. Mine is rated at 300-something ft-lbs and it didn't stand a chance. You'd need a professional one.

What I did was I set up a breaker bar against the ground, and used the starter to crank the engine. It nearly lifted the car off the ground the first couple times, but it worked. Getting it back on is the tricky part, though. Might wanna just tighten it up as much as possible then bring it to a mechanic to torque it down.

crisscross 03-15-2012 09:04 PM

Or just lock the flywheel and use a ratchet with a 4' pipe? :confused:

hornhospital 03-15-2012 09:09 PM

God bless my 3/4" drive socket set and 5' aluminum pipe cheater bar. :D

cj.surr 03-15-2012 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisscross (Post 6704870)
Or just lock the flywheel and use a ratchet with a 4' pipe? :confused:

I'm talking about if the engine and transmission are still in the car. The clutch slips if you don't hit it quick.

crisscross 03-15-2012 09:43 PM

Right, when you do the vanos, you have to lock the flywheel with a pin (dowel) with the engine in the car. Clutch has nothing to do with it....

There is a hole in the bellhousing where you can insert the dowel when the engine is at TDC, and it will be impossible to rotate the crank.


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