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TexasBMW 08-19-2010 07:24 PM

0-60 is N/A from BMW NA!!
 
According to BMW NA, they do not have a 0-60 or top speed on either the 535i or the 550i. The 528i goes 0-60 in 6.6 seconds.

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I know the 550 should be under 5 seconds, but no official word... It would help me make a decision between the two 5ers and the 7 series. It's just amazing how much marketing BMW has for the launch of its #2 seller, but no 0-60 for a performance auto!!

XDevil 08-19-2010 11:30 PM

The only result I have found online was 4.4 seconds. Not sure how reliable the source or result is.

enigma 08-20-2010 02:10 AM

Your purchase decision is based on the published 0-60 numbers?

By the way, 4.4 is very unlikely unless it was going down hill.

Feco 08-20-2010 04:35 AM

According to BMW Brasil website:

535i - 0-60 mph ( 0-100 km/h) = 6.1
550i - 0-60 mph ( 0-100 km/h) = 5.0

http://www.bmw.com.br/br/pt/newvehic...ical_data.html :thumbup:

Munich77 08-20-2010 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feco (Post 5409320)
According to BMW Brasil website:

535i - 0-60 mph ( 0-100 km/h) = 6.1
550i - 0-60 mph ( 0-100 km/h) = 5.0

http://www.bmw.com.br/br/pt/newvehic...ical_data.html :thumbup:

BMW is typically conservative. I have not seen stats on 550 i yet but Car & Driver got the following numbers for the 535 i in their August 2010 comparison test that included the Audi and Infiniti:

0-60 mph: 5.4 seconds
1/4 miles: 14.0 seconds @ 100 mph

Based on those numbers I am guessing that the 550i should be in the high 4.0s.

tadtaggert 08-20-2010 06:44 AM

Autobild did some tests in the comparison of the 550i to the E550, S6 and the Jag.

550i came in at 5.0 for 0-100km/hr which is about 0-62mph. Puts the 550i at maybe 4.8, more like 4.9.

There was some reported testing on the Alpina B5, at just over 500hp the B5 came in at 4.7 0-100km/hr.

richschneid 08-20-2010 09:26 AM

I don't trust any of the "published" 0-60 times except for Car and Driver or Road and Track. In doing comparisons among vehicles I only compare numbers obtained by the same publication. I think C&D is a tick faster than R&T.

C&D tested the E60 550i at 5.0 seconds. The F10 weighs around 300 lbs more or an increase of 7.5%. The F10 has 407 hp compared to 360 for the E60 or an increase of 13%. So, the F10 should be faster. Even more important in low speed acceleration is low end torque. Here the difference is much more dramatic. 360 lb ft for the E60 at around 3400 rpm. 450 lb ft for the F10 at ONLY 1750 rpm! This is an increase of 25%! And at a much lower rpm. This will make the F10 MUCH faster 0-60 than the E60. If the E60 is 5.0 sec, the F10 should come in at around 4.6-4.7 sec in the C&D road test. The xDrive version should be around 0.1 to 0.2 seconds faster as it was on a recent comparison test between the 750i vs the 750i xDrive.

BTW, C&D tested my E39 M5 at 4.7 seconds and it weighed 4000 but only had 369 lb ft of tourque. So, the F10 550i should be about the same or a touch faster.

solstice 08-20-2010 09:49 AM

It's amusing to see people speculate using weight, torque and hp compared to other models and coming to conclusions of times down to tens of seconds. Have you forgotten that the F10 has a new tranny? Forget you calculations and wait for the tested numbers. The tested numbers of the F10 535i is the only one that could give you an idea. It will be faster but how much is a guess at best.

TexasBMW 08-20-2010 10:09 AM

Nope, but it is a factor when deciding to spend between $60-110,000.

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma (Post 5409244)
Your purchase decision is based on the published 0-60 numbers?

By the way, 4.4 is very unlikely unless it was going down hill.


TexasBMW 08-20-2010 10:16 AM

Thanks guys, sometimes it's just fun to try to back your way in to an answer. Of course, this isn't a linear equation, but hey, it's always interesting to see if you are correct, or close! After all this, I'm going to guess 4.8s +/- .2s should cover it!

Thanks for the data - all great!:thumbup:


Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice (Post 5409975)
It's amusing to see people speculate using weight, torque and hp compared to other models and coming to conclusions of times down to tens of seconds. Have you forgotten that the F10 has a new tranny? Forget you calculations and wait for the tested numbers. The tested numbers of the F10 535i is the only one that could give you an idea. It will be faster but how much is a guess at best.


Emilner 08-20-2010 11:18 AM

I would guess the numbers would be 4.7-4.8 for the RWD and a tenth or two quicker for the AWD just based on the E60 numbers and after test driving a new 550i....

jwrtiger 08-20-2010 11:23 AM

Just an FYI when I picked up my F10 two weeks ago the CA gave me the new BMW 5-series brochure. On page 33 of the brochure they list some of the tech specs: 550i 0 to 60 mph in 5.0 seconds, 535i 0 to 60 mph in 5.7 seconds, and 528i 0 to 60 mph in 6.6 seconds. As pointed out I would only take this as a general guideline of performance.

richschneid 08-20-2010 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice (Post 5409975)
It's amusing to see people speculate using weight, torque and hp compared to other models and coming to conclusions of times down to tens of seconds. Have you forgotten that the F10 has a new tranny? Forget you calculations and wait for the tested numbers. The tested numbers of the F10 535i is the only one that could give you an idea. It will be faster but how much is a guess at best.

An eight speed transmission will be faster 0-60 than a 6 speed. Check out the actual torque multiplication in first gear, ie the first gear ratio times the final drive ratio. It is quite accurate to do these calculations to do a COMPARATIVE analysis. It would not make sense to try to derive the actual 0-60 time from analyzing these variables. That's why I said you have to compare only those numbers from the same publication. C&D is almost always at least 0.3 seconds faster than the BMW published time. You also have to look for differences in the cars tested, eg tire size. But all things being equal this analysis almost always works.

TexasBMW 08-25-2010 11:04 AM

Official Numbers
 
I obtained the below times from a "BMW Group University" which teaches SAs about the launch of the 5, and compares the 5 to the Mercedes E550, E350 and Audi A6 3.2. The print date was 4/1/10, so early produciton...

528i: 6.6 Seconds
535i: 5.7
550i: 5.0
550ix: only gave the RWD version of the car time

bikerboy 08-29-2010 08:20 PM

Maybe this will help. Before my current 550i, I had a 2005 Mercedes E55. It had 470 hp. It seemed that everyone on the road wanted to race me. It was really quite amazing. Porsches, Corvettes, Vipers, a Ford GT. The only race I lost was the Ford GT. I knew he'd blow me away. But it was fun. Mind you these were not long races. Just your common street stuff. The car had huge torque besides the horsepower. I jumped ahead of everyone because of the torque, which was 450 lb.

If you get a 550i and have Dinan install the re map mod (approx. $2,000) this car will be faster than that E55. More horsepower AND more torque. So if speed is what you're looking for, there it is.

tadtaggert 08-30-2010 01:44 PM

Road and Track has a comparison of the 750i vs. LS 460, they quote the 750i as 0-60 in 4.9. I can't imagine the 550i not being at least a bit faster, so maybe it's faster than what I expected (which was about 4.9).

richschneid 08-30-2010 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tadtaggert (Post 5433003)
Road and Track has a comparison of the 750i vs. LS 460, they quote the 750i as 0-60 in 4.9. I can't imagine the 550i not being at least a bit faster, so maybe it's faster than what I expected (which was about 4.9).

Thanks for the reference. In additon to the additional weight of the 750i over the 550i, the 7 was tested with the 6-speed transmission. The 550i has an eight speed. This should cut even more time from the 550i. So, the estimated 550i times should be around 4.6-4.7 seconds which is just about what my E39 M5 was, ie 4.7 seconds. The 550i xDrive should be around 0.2 seconds faster.

samsonitep 08-30-2010 04:51 PM

how the hell is the x5 50i the same speed 0-60 as this v8 model?

richschneid 08-31-2010 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samsonitep (Post 5433441)
how the hell is the x5 50i the same speed 0-60 as this v8 model?

Probably because it has xDrive. In high torque vehicles the ability to transfer the torque to the pavement though all four tires instead of just the rear two creates the ability to generate more acceleration and less tire spin resulting in lower 0-60 times. At higher speeds and in higher gears this is not a consideration because there is less torque and less torque multiplication and all the torque can be transferred to the pavement easily through just the rear tires. So, at higher speeds the most important factors in rate of acceleration are weight, hp, and drag coefficient, not low end torque or the presence of AWD. So, the 550i xDrive will definitely be faster 0-60 than the X5 5.0 and also faster than the rear drive 550i.


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