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DLF750 09-29-2010 11:32 AM

Rear backup camera help - need advice
 
Hi all. I am considering purchasing this item from ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=380194355388

Normally I wouldn't do this as I'm a fairly wary person on electronics from ebay but my mechanic bought a unit for his Range Rover from the same seller (presumably this is the same manufacturer for the Rover and BMW units) and installed it himself and it works perfectly.

You may or may not remember but I tried to install the Dension system in my car but it wouldn't work. The plug behind the radio wasn't correct for the Dension and video would not function.

This unit apparently is installed BEHIND everything in the trunk only, no need to remove any pieces or install this in the car behind the head unit/nav screen. It seems easy in theory. You just install this between the nav system and the car connections.

Any thoughts? It looks great on the Rover - had the guidelines, depth markers in numerals and changed colors if you went outside the lines. Not sure if it's infrared, but that might be a camera function, not the module.

Thanks

csmeance 09-29-2010 12:09 PM

FYI it doesn't include a camera! Roveractive.biz sells a factory backup camera but it's nearly 1K!

DLF750 09-29-2010 12:48 PM

I did notice it doesn't include a camera. Seems as if MOST of the better systems (not that this is necessarily one of them) do not come with the camera. Even the ones from NAVTV i believe are stand alone. There are hundreds of night vision 170 degree cameras on ebay for about $25-40 including shipping, so that doesn't worry me. It's just the install part that makes me nervous. I emailed the seller to see if he/she has instructions and if they're detailed or in a foreign language.

snoopkhan 11-21-2010 08:49 AM

so did you end up getting this? I'm thinking of picking one up too....

Wilassasin 11-21-2010 10:05 AM

No thanks for me, ill just wait until I update my car for this feature...

TUF-FKR 11-21-2010 10:40 AM

I think the most difficult part of this install would be the camera and finding a good spot to mount it. Would you replace one of your reverse sensors? The wiring install looks pretty simple and the NAV unit is one of the more simpler items to access in your car. So, the converter looks rather easy. Again, I have no idea where I would successfully mount a camera on the rear of the car without some serious mods.

Anyone have any ideas? Where did your Range Rover buddy mount his? There are probably more options on that car.

holla9 11-23-2010 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TUF-FKR (Post 5642039)
I think the most difficult part of this install would be the camera and finding a good spot to mount it. Would you replace one of your reverse sensors? The wiring install looks pretty simple and the NAV unit is one of the more simpler items to access in your car. So, the converter looks rather easy. Again, I have no idea where I would successfully mount a camera on the rear of the car without some serious mods.

Anyone have any ideas? Where did your Range Rover buddy mount his? There are probably more options on that car.

http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...oducts_id=3024

DLF750 11-23-2010 02:46 PM

Camera can't be too deep on the backside or it won't fit in the light area.

rideme2 11-23-2010 02:47 PM

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I used navtool works great! Hookup in the back only, convert my front screen so I can watch DVDs.


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1972arg 11-23-2010 06:06 PM

I just bought this unit too. Installation looks very simple (only 3 wires ) and I already installed the camera in the back but I need help since I am installaing a camera in the front too but dont know how to run wires drom front bumper to trunk. Any help will be appreciated. I offered $200 and was accepted.

DLF750 11-23-2010 06:08 PM

1972, which camera did you get? Thats where I'm stuck now

1972arg 11-23-2010 06:47 PM

DLF 750 I bought this one from ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT
I will post pic of my rear car tomorrow. Looks Great, Almost OEM

Rideme2
Can you post installation pics of the navtool ??

Mr_Burger 11-23-2010 07:59 PM

Has anyone considered adding the look left/right cameras to the front wheel arches??? (as found on the new model)

holla9 11-23-2010 11:07 PM

So you guys think this will work with the NAVTOOL...

http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...oducts_id=3024

and i take it the parking sensors will be disabled??????
or can you use them too

kontir 11-24-2010 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rideme2 (Post 5647549)
I used navtool works great! Hookup in the back only, convert my front screen so I can watch DVDs.


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Then I got to pay you visit...! ;)

1972arg 11-24-2010 05:17 PM

The set up is very easy. I just would like someone to post picture of th installation and how to run cables for a front bumper camera. Looks like nobody have front cameras in their bimmers and or not want to share their secrets.

If someone wants a picture of how the camera looks, please ask. Im here to help.

holla9 11-24-2010 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1972arg (Post 5650279)
The set up is very easy. I just would like someone to post picture of th installation and how to run cables for a front bumper camera. Looks like nobody have front cameras in their bimmers and or not want to share their secrets.

If someone wants a picture of how the camera looks, please ask. Im here to help.

Can u show/tell me how you installed the rear camera. And what camera you bought.??? Thanks

DLF750 11-24-2010 07:00 PM

Please post a pic of how it looks. Thx

nellieson 11-24-2010 09:14 PM

Backup camera
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DLF750 (Post 5506554)
Hi all. I am considering purchasing this item from ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=380194355388

Normally I wouldn't do this as I'm a fairly wary person on electronics from ebay but my mechanic bought a unit for his Range Rover from the same seller (presumably this is the same manufacturer for the Rover and BMW units) and installed it himself and it works perfectly.

You may or may not remember but I tried to install the Dension system in my car but it wouldn't work. The plug behind the radio wasn't correct for the Dension and video would not function.

This unit apparently is installed BEHIND everything in the trunk only, no need to remove any pieces or install this in the car behind the head unit/nav screen. It seems easy in theory. You just install this between the nav system and the car connections.

Any thoughts? It looks great on the Rover - had the guidelines, depth markers in numerals and changed colors if you went outside the lines. Not sure if it's infrared, but that might be a camera function, not the module.

Thanks



Thanks for posting this data on the backup camera. I am very interested in buying one for my 2004 745i. I will wait to see how it works out for you.

digitaldav 12-08-2010 06:09 AM

would also like to know the same... How do you like it?
Quote:

Originally Posted by nellieson (Post 5650766)

Thanks for posting this data on the backup camera. I am very interested in buying one for my 2004 745i. I will wait to see how it works out for you.


tamir15 02-10-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1972arg (Post 5650279)
The set up is very easy. I just would like someone to post picture of th installation and how to run cables for a front bumper camera. Looks like nobody have front cameras in their bimmers and or not want to share their secrets.

If someone wants a picture of how the camera looks, please ask. Im here to help.

i am having issues installing an aftermarket camera on my E65.
i am connecting it to a monitor on the dash (not the nav screen).
my problem is with the 12v power to the camera. when i connect it to the reverse light bulb the image flickers and no steady image.
when i connect it to a regular 12v in the trunk (trunk light bulb or any other 12v) i get steady image and no issue.
does anybody know what may be the problem?

Piers1989 02-10-2013 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tamir15 (Post 7372293)
i am having issues installing an aftermarket camera on my E65.
i am connecting it to a monitor on the dash (not the nav screen).
my problem is with the 12v power to the camera. when i connect it to the reverse light bulb the image flickers and no steady image.
when i connect it to a regular 12v in the trunk (trunk light bulb or any other 12v) i get steady image and no issue.
does anybody know what may be the problem?

Mayve the reverse light is powered by PWM, but the other lights normally are too, at least the exterior ones as far as I know.

I can offer a suggestion though.

If you get a standard automotive relay, attach it to the reverse light for the "on" and to the battery / continuous on for the +ve.

That way it will turn on when reverse light is on and it will supply power form a steady source.

Hope that helps.

tamir15 02-10-2013 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piers1989 (Post 7372400)
Mayve the reverse light is powered by PWM, but the other lights normally are too, at least the exterior ones as far as I know.

I can offer a suggestion though.

If you get a standard automotive relay, attach it to the reverse light for the "on" and to the battery / continuous on for the +ve.

That way it will turn on when reverse light is on and it will supply power form a steady source.

Hope that helps.

Thanks Piers1989.
can you explain how to connect the relay to the reverse light wires?
should i connect one lead to the negative wire and the normally open lead to the positive wire? i know the relay has 4 or 5 leads but i am not sure which one to use and how to connect them

Piers1989 02-11-2013 04:46 AM

A normal single throw relay should have a diagram like this on it:

http://washford.scene7.com/is/image/.../184005?$prod$

Its very simple how it works, pins 85 and 86 turn on an electro magnet which in turn pulls a switch shut, connecting pins 87 and 30.

So (assuming the bulb works as I would expect, being on when positive is applied, as opposed to being constantly live and negative applied to turn it on) you would splice the bulb cable and attach it to pin 85 and then 86 to ground.

If the bulb is constantly live and activated by a negative, then you would connect pin 85 to it in the same way, and pin 86 to a ground in the car.

You would then attach pin 30 to a constant positive (battery terminal, and other constant +ve feed), and pin 87 to the "remote on / power supply" for your reversing camera.

In this way when the reverse light turns on, it flips the switch turning the reverse camera on, and when you turn it off the relay turns it back off.

If you find it works, but the bulb no longer illuminates at all, then you need to splice the other side of the bulb connector as you're making the circuit cut out the light. In most cases it shouldn't matter which side of the bulb you attach the relay (depends on the resistance).

I hope my description makes sense :)

tamir15 02-11-2013 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piers1989 (Post 7373540)
A normal single throw relay should have a diagram like this on it:

http://washford.scene7.com/is/image/.../184005?$prod$

Its very simple how it works, pins 85 and 86 turn on an electro magnet which in turn pulls a switch shut, connecting pins 87 and 30.

So (assuming the bulb works as I would expect, being on when positive is applied, as opposed to being constantly live and negative applied to turn it on) you would splice the bulb cable and attach it to pin 85 and then 86 to ground.

If the bulb is constantly live and activated by a negative, then you would connect pin 85 to it in the same way, and pin 86 to a ground in the car.

You would then attach pin 30 to a constant positive (battery terminal, and other constant +ve feed), and pin 87 to the "remote on / power supply" for your reversing camera.

In this way when the reverse light turns on, it flips the switch turning the reverse camera on, and when you turn it off the relay turns it back off.

If you find it works, but the bulb no longer illuminates at all, then you need to splice the other side of the bulb connector as you're making the circuit cut out the light. In most cases it shouldn't matter which side of the bulb you attach the relay (depends on the resistance).

I hope my description makes sense :)

Piers1989
thanks for the detailed explanation.
the only thing i would ask is about pins 85 and 86.
my google search showed that pin 86 should be connected to the 12v and pin 85 to ground. your explanation has it reversed. does it matter how these two are connected?


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