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DC-IT 10-14-2010 09:29 AM

Winter Tires + Rims for the 335d
 
Need advice for the correct tires for our d.
I managed to get away last winter without winter tires as there wasn't much snow in Toronto.

My BMW dealer wants CAD $3,150.00 + 13.5% taxes for a set of Continental RFT w/style 159 BMW alloys.

Does our d requires special tire sensors for the TPMS?

I am checking with a local tire shop as well as Costco to see what options and price.
Local shop says we don't need the sensors and non-RFT winters are fine.

Any suggestions from fellow d owners will be greatly appreciated.

autoJeff 10-14-2010 09:38 AM

There is a ton of info on this in the E9x forum. Nothing special about "i" vs "d".

Try tirerack.com's recommendations. You can buy tires mounted and balanced on new wheels. Smaller diameter and width wheel, but same circumference tire (higher "profile") and still fits over brakes, is better in snow. Have delivered to your house. Or to your indy garage and pay garage only to swap (and maybe store) wheels.

The smaller tires are less expensive, and wear more slowly, than your summer rubber. Pays for itself in a few years through decreased wear on the expensive rubber.

tlak77 10-14-2010 10:13 AM

DC-IT, as Jeff said there is no difference between i and d as far as wheels. TireRack is highly recommended place for both and very convenient if you buy set. Not sure how it is when you have it shipped to Canada - cost, customs ect.
I just purchased 17x8 Black Painted MOTEGI RACING MR118 wheels, 225/45R17 Continental ExtremeWinterContact, and Tire Pressure Sensors. Tiers are Not - RFT, you can skip Sensors if you can live with warning on your dashboard; also if you go with standard tiers think about backup. TireRack provide all mounting hardware and balancing, above wheels came with centering rings and set of bolts (silver :( ).

d geek 10-14-2010 10:32 AM

these have worked well in my cars:
http://www.nokiantyres.com/tyre?id=1...e=Nokian+WR+G2

TForan 10-14-2010 11:26 AM

I went with 205/55/17 WS 60 Blizzaks and had zero trouble up to about 7 inches of snow. I don't have the sport package, so I have a little more ground clearance, which helps a bit.

Chrisdridley 10-14-2010 02:07 PM

I went with the Dunlop winter tires from tire rack and they worked great for me all last winter and I was in a lot of snow and ice last winter. In a few weeks, the winters will be going back on again.

bimmerdiesel 10-14-2010 02:08 PM

Get rims/sensors and tires from tire rack or local store. I have blizzaks WS 60 on 18". 2xx/45/18. Dont remember how wide it was. I read its better to have narrow tires with big side wall. So something like TForan has would be ideal 205/55/17. RFT or not is your personal choice but IMO there is very big risk of damaging RFT sidewall in snow than normal and hence its better to go Non RFT route

TForan 10-14-2010 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimmerdiesel (Post 5544876)
Get rims/sensors and tires from tire rack or local store. I have blizzaks WS 60 on 18". 2xx/45/18. Dont remember how wide it was. I read its better to have narrow tires with big side wall. So something like TForan has would be ideal 205/55/17. RFT or not is your personal choice but IMO there is very big risk of damaging RFT sidewall in snow than normal and hence its better to go Non RFT route

And I can spin them at 60 mph. :) I told the guy at the tire store , I might have to rotate my winter tires. This year with the JBD, I probably will and maybe buy two new ones. The only alternative is to grow up. At 58, that's not going to happen. :thumbup:

DC-IT 10-14-2010 04:30 PM

Thanks for all the replies and suggestions.

I am leaning towards the following choices:

1. Bridgestones Blizzak WS-70.
2, Conti Extreme Winter Contact (Studles Ice+Snow).
3. Hankook W409.

Since my D comes with the Continentals I think that is my first choice.
Internet research shows the Hankook W409 is quite highly regarded and the cheapest of the three.

My local tire shop says that the BMW 3ers in Canada do not come with built-in TPMS senors attached to the rims. But the TPMS works on measuring the diameter of the tire!
He said the way to determine if this is to check the valve on the tires. If the valve has a solid chrome stem then the sensor is built into the rims. If the valve has a flexible (rubber) stem then I do not need to install the TPMS sensor.

I checked and my tire do indeed have the ruber stems valve.
I wonder if he is correct?

tlak77 10-14-2010 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC-IT (Post 5545262)
....I checked and my tire do indeed have the ruber stems valve.
I wonder if he is correct?

Sounds correct - I know older Mini tire pressure detection work the same way. It will save you some $$$, and system will work with any wheels; just remember to initialize it when you put new tires.

clarkgd 10-15-2010 07:32 AM

Winter Tires
 
I just purchased and picked up subject tires from TireRack installed on new wheels. Nothing special about the wheels ($115 ea) but the tires are stock size Bridgestone Blizzack RFT's. I have had excellant performance from Blizzacks so went with them and they are listed as OEM tires for the BMW. I had them shipped to the UPS store in Ogdensburg NY and picked them up last weekend.The total cost was about $1238 US and then I had to pay at the border the HST and of all things duty on the tires. These RFT's are made in Poland and not the US so NAFTA rules don't apply. The wheels were assumed to be made in the USA. Cannot see anywhere that it says that so that was good. Anyway my total was probably less that half that quoted by the BMW dealer to DC-IT
TireRack knows that 2010 Can Spec 335d's don't need TPMs as the car measures pressure loss by individual tire rotation speeds. My valves are rubber and not steal like my Lexus with Pressure monitors.
Cheers

DC-IT 10-15-2010 07:54 AM

[QUOTE=clarkgd;5546783then I had to pay at the border the HST and of all things duty on the tires.TPMs as the car measures pressure loss by individual tire rotation speeds. My valves are rubber and not steal like my Lexus with Pressure monitors.
Cheers[/QUOTE]

Thanks for info.
I went to TireRack's site and shipment can be made direct to Canada by UPS and the total costs includes HST + delivery to your house.

Since the CAD is almost at par with US$ I think I will order from Gary@TireRack too and have it shipped direct to my house.

clarkgd 10-15-2010 08:26 AM

Ship to Canada
 
UPS charges a rather large fee for customs brokerage so do include that in your estimates. That is why I picked mine up in the US and brought them back myself. The tires were assembled on a Monday and Tuesday evening they were delivered to Ogdensburg by UPS.

enamoured 10-15-2010 08:51 AM

The brokerage fee for UPS is included in tirerack shipping cost and is rather nominal (in this case). I know because I bought my winter tires from them last year and had it shipped to my home. One thing that I found worked cheaper was, find some used BMW rims locally, buy tires from tirerack, get them mounted and installed locally. Saves quite a bit and there are plenty of people selling rims on craigslist, kijiji etc.

BTW, hello to everyone on this forum. I am one of those have been and wanna be again dieselhead, just let BMW bring a smaller than X5 diesel with AWD aka X3 or 3er.

joeincs 10-15-2010 04:36 PM

I have 4 18 inch BMW rims from my 2009 335d that I am going to sell if you are interested in them send me a private message.

DnA Diesel 10-16-2010 10:14 AM

DC-IT, the BMW rep is correct, Canadian 3's have an ABS-based (non-sensor) flat-tire detection system that computes differential rotation rates based on the height of the individual tires. When you mount the new tires, run through the BC programs on the turn-signal stalk to get to the tire reset procedure. This baselines the calculations that the system makes to compare relative pressures.

Blizzak WS's are usually pretty soft...great tires but wear quickly. I had W409's on my 540i and they were great tire, but less performance than the summer SportContacts I had. I would consider either the Conti ExtremeContactDS or the Dunlop Winter Sport 3D, next time I have to get winters for the D.

Cheers
D

DC-IT 10-16-2010 12:56 PM

Thanks DnA Diesel.

I wonder why the Canadian BMWs are different from the US in the TPMS sensors?
It doesn't make sense to import two different types for North America.
But personally I prefer ours without the TPMS sensors which frees us to get any rims.

I can get a better price for the Hankook if it's a suitable Winter tire or else I'm leaning towards the Conti.
The tire shop did warn me that the Bridgestones may only last 2 Winters as after 40% thread wear it performs like all seasons and loose it's winter performance. I was told I could easily get 4 winters on the Hankook.

bimmermanNJ 10-31-2010 02:29 PM

I live in the NYC area, have a 335D with M sport 193m wheels (18 inch). I really like the wheels and prefer not to have two sets of wheels and swap winter/summer. RFT options are limited for the 193m wheels. Has anyone replaced the OEM summer tires with all season RFTs? Which tire did you pick? I am also considering Pirelli Winter 240 Sottozero Serie II for year round use. Any suggestions much appreciated. Also, I have the BMW tire/wheel package, does anyone know how the insurance works for tires that are not exact OEM specifications? Contract was not very clear. Thank you.

Kanuck 10-31-2010 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC-IT (Post 5549430)
Thanks DnA Diesel.

I wonder why the Canadian BMWs are different from the US in the TPMS sensors?
It doesn't make sense to import two different types for North America.
But personally I prefer ours without the TPMS sensors which frees us to get any rims.

I thought it was because U.S. mandates TPMS, whereas Canada has no such rule. Since TPMS is more expensive, they don't use it in Canada. But, I could be wrong on that.

I had good luck shipping directly to my local garage in Canada from Tire Rack, although you might save a few $ picking them up in a border city. I use 17" Dunlop Winter Sport DSST and am quite happy with them.

5SeriesNatsFan 11-19-2010 02:41 PM

I got a tire and wheel package from my local tire specialist, Radial Tire Company. I went with Sport A7 wheels and Dunlop Winter Sport 3d ROF. The wheels fit the car perfectly, using the original lug nuts. Later, we'll see how the tires do in the snow!

DC-IT 11-19-2010 06:21 PM

I ended up with the Hankook W409 winter tires on a set of alloy rims for a total costs of under CAD $ 1,100.00. These are non RFT but I figured I've driven my D over 30,000 KM and 12 months without getting a flat tire so I should be fine.

Should I get a flat tire I have to call BMW Assist for a tow I guess.

BTW the Hankooks does have more pronounced road noise than the OEM RFT. But this is due to the thread design. I will find out how they perform when the snow hits.

clarkgd 11-20-2010 08:26 AM

Winters Installed Today
 
I got my Tire Rack supplied wheels and Blizzack RFTs installed this morning at the dealership. Yesterday I got their ad for tire packages and for my 335d they want $3075.50
plus taxes for their wheels and Conti RFT's.
No issues with installation and they run very smooth and it seems softer than the Conti all seasons it came with.
Very pleased with the Tire Rack pricing (see above) and the good balance and ride.
Snow flurries this morning so it is coming to eastern Ontario.:angel:

clarkgd 11-26-2010 08:02 AM

Ice and Snow
 
This morning we had the first opportunity to test the Blizzacks in Esatern Ontario. Hours of freezing rain and slight snow on top as the commute started.
These tires were wonderful without a slight hint of slippage. The D was great in these conditions, the ASC didn't come on and the D also downshifts and engine braking is quite noticeable which seems to add to the stability.
East throttle application caused perfect launches without wheel spin.
Very impressed performance wise and from a safety perspective.

clarkgd 11-26-2010 08:03 AM

Ice and Snow
 
This morning we had the first opportunity to test the Blizzacks in Esatern Ontario. Hours of freezing rain and slight snow on top as the commute started.
These tires were wonderful without a slight hint of slippage. The D was great in these conditions, the ASC didn't come on and the D also downshifts and engine braking is quite noticeable which seems to add to the stability.
Easy throttle application caused perfect launches without wheel spin.
Very impressed performance wise and from a safety perspective.

Philm35 11-27-2010 08:26 AM

Check out this thread...

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=501337


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