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westden 10-14-2010 08:40 PM

All Season Tires
 
I just took delivery of a 2011 SAV with the 20 inch Y wheels/staggered configuration. Does anyone have a comment about the Continental Extreme Contact DWS VS the Michelin Latitude Tour HP.

MRV99 10-14-2010 09:09 PM

What are you looking to accomplish? Are you going to get rid of your summer rubber for all season rubber?

westden 10-14-2010 09:50 PM

All Season Tires
 
Yes.....

Marlbro 10-15-2010 12:53 AM

I considered doing the same, but my local tyre dealer showed me the prices for doing that,
and for an extra 200 euros I ended up ordering 18 inch wheels with Continental winter tyres (RFTs)

gives me the oppurtunity to change back to Summers over any given weekend, and to have the summer rims re-dressed (I have some minor nicks)

I stayed RFTs although I now have a spare in the trunk, to allow me to decide where, and when, to swap out a flat (safety zone)

MRV99 10-15-2010 07:47 AM

Personally I would keep the 214's and get a set of winter rims/rubber. Now you will have an excellent combination and not have to worry about it.

AzNMpower32 10-15-2010 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MRV99 (Post 5546809)
Personally I would keep the 214's and get a set of winter rims/rubber. Now you will have an excellent combination and not have to worry about it.

+1. 20" wide all-season tires won't help you very much.

quackbury 10-16-2010 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MRV99 (Post 5546809)
Personally I would keep the 214's and get a set of winter rims/rubber. Now you will have an excellent combination and not have to worry about it.

+2. If you own the car for any length of time, you are going to replace the rubber anyway. No more expensive to buy a set of winter tires mounted on 18" winter wheels than to replace the summer RFT's. (If you don't believe me, check out the price of those 20" tires on the Tire Rack- especially if your X5 came with the Dunlops).

clinkinfo 11-08-2012 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32 (Post 5547654)
+1. 20" wide all-season tires won't help you very much.


Based upon personal experience, or a guess?

Has anyone actually been running the 20 all seasons in the snow and have some real feedback?

quackbury 11-08-2012 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by clinkinfo (Post 7183648)
Based upon personal experience, or a guess?

Has anyone actually been running the 20 all seasons in the snow and have some real feedback?

SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND. The E70 was introduced in 2006 as a 2007 model, and this topic has been discussed many, many, many times over the past 6 years. If you take the time to search, you will get the REAL WORLD experience of dozens of 'Festers.

If you just ask a question that has been answered many times before, you won't.

rdorman 11-08-2012 09:22 AM

VERY different tires. One is a UHP and the other a Touring. Either way, the DWS is rated higher in the snow. I may the switch from UHP Summer to UHP all season and it helped. On all wheel drive vehicles I have never seen the need for dedicated snows in the climate I am in. Rear wheel is a different story. I am in a possition that is the weather is so bad that my all seasons won't cut it, I don't need to go out in it. If I wasn't, I would go the winter tire route. They are vastly superior in the snow and ice. All season = performance in all seasons is not what it could be. They are a compromise.

clinkinfo 11-08-2012 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by quackbury (Post 7183654)
SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND. The E70 was introduced in 2006 as a 2007 model, and this topic has been discussed many, many, many times over the past 6 years. If you take the time to search, you will get the REAL WORLD experience of dozens of 'Festers.

If you just ask a question that has been answered many times before, you won't.

Seriously? Where do you think all these threads came out of? Hum......the search button. Yet, most seem to end the same, no one actually trying them.

If you can actually point to an all season conversation where people talk about using them on the 20 inch setup in snow please, help and point me, I don't see them. All I seem to find is the constant 'don't do it, get snow tires on smaller rims' opinion.

rdorman 11-08-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by clinkinfo (Post 7183726)
Seriously? Where do you think all these threads came out of? Hum......the search button. Yet, most seem to end the same, no one actually trying them.

If you can actually point to an all season conversation where people talk about using them on the 20 inch setup in snow please, help and point me, I don't see them. All I seem to find is the constant 'don't do it, get snow tires on smaller rims' opinion.

It was indeed hard to find many threads where people did not go the two set route and actually drove a 275/315 DWS in the snow. I did find a couple of posts such as #38 (I think that was the post number) here:

http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showt...=453489&page=2

And here post 3

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...nter-snow.html

DWS's are terrific tires. Will they be as good as 275/315 snows, no. Will 275/315 snows be better then a narrower set of snows, no. But any of those options is going to be better then Summer UHP tires.

DMAN_CT 11-08-2012 02:10 PM

Here is the link to the Conti DWS review that was done by Tire Rack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Yo1sudvLNNQ

clinkinfo 11-08-2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rdorman (Post 7183838)
It was indeed hard to find many threads where people did not go the two set route and actually drove a 275/315 DWS in the snow. I did find a couple of posts such as #38 (I think that was the post number) here:

http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showt...=453489&page=2

And here post 3

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...nter-snow.html

DWS's are terrific tires. Will they be as good as 275/315 snows, no. Will 275/315 snows be better then a narrower set of snows, no. But any of those options is going to be better then Summer UHP tires.


Thanks so much for the links. That's really what I've been hunting for, actual practical knowledge of the real word trade-offs specifically on the 275/315's. Of course winters are better in snow, of course narrow is better...but how passable are the all season models. There are a few other DWS reviews, seems harder to find people using latitudes on the 20s.

For some, the changeover hassle and storage required may not be worth the benefit if they can realistically still get home that rare snowstorm night on all seasons. I live in that borderline region, not enough snow to be constantly concerned, but enough to make sure I'll be able to move.

ndabunka 11-08-2012 04:06 PM

There IS a guy frm DC selling his (almost new) DWS's on this forum for $600+ shipping.

AzNMpower32 11-08-2012 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clinkinfo (Post 7183648)
Based upon personal experience, or a guess?

Has anyone actually been running the 20 all seasons in the snow and have some real feedback?

Everyone's definition of "passable" or "acceptable" handling is different.

The X3 non-sport models came with Pirelli Scorpion All-seasons that actually were pretty good for most drivers. And if you don't drive out when there's more than 30cm of snow, it may never matter. All-seasons will probably get you to work if you drive slowly and life doesn't throw a situation where an emergency stop is needed.

But for me, control is critical. I want to be able to maximise the potential of DSC and ABS to stop in the shortest distance possible, as stable as possible. I want to be able to bring the vehicle back under control quickly should things start to go wrong. I reduce speed to appropriate levels in inclement weather, but I don't want to be crawling. And most of all, I want to be able to not worry about the car's dynamics; I love it when I can have fun in the snow, drift it around corners with ease, and then bring it all back together easily, no mess. Because the point of a vehicle is not just to get from A to B.

I've driven both the X3 and X5 (18" stock M+S) in the snow where I tried to have some fun. It's difficult. Slides and skid happen suddenly, braking distances are longer, and it is so much harder to bring the vehicle back into line- careening towards a mailbox at a 60 angle in spite of full lock countersteer and feathering the throttle is not amusing even if I can bring it back- just more work, less control.

It sounds like hooliganism but there's situations where stuff happens. Once on the way down from Snowshoe WV in the X3, driving conditions were poor and I was taking it slow, about 40-50km/h tops. Around a blind curve, came a slowplow truck that was slightly in my line. When I lifted off midcorner, the rear end came around and the X3 went off the road......towards a cliff/trees and other unpleasant things to hit. Remembering the track/driver training, I looked back towards the road, ignoring the stone drainage ditch and cliff, hit the throttle and countersteered, bringing the X3 uneventfully back onto the road (okay, my mother screamed and I'm sure I raised a few eyebrows from the plow driver and other driver behind). Given the level of control I had with the winter tires and zero margin for error, I never had to panic, or think twice. Did the tires make a difference? Absolutely.

Cdnrockies 11-08-2012 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clinkinfo (Post 7183648)
Based upon personal experience, or a guess?

Has anyone actually been running the 20 all seasons in the snow and have some real feedback?

The Conti's are a fantastic tire on dry and wet pavement. They are, like any other all season tire, completely useless in any real snow.

I run 20'' DWS's for my summer set up and got caught last winter dragging my ass getting the winters put back on. One day of driving in real snow was more than enough to remind me how terrible all season tires are in true snow conditions versus proper winters.

ndabunka 11-08-2012 08:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=yjhv01JinLU

ND40oz 11-08-2012 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by clinkinfo (Post 7184384)
There are a few other DWS reviews, seems harder to find people using latitudes on the 20s.

I ran the Latitudes in the snow a few weeks ago, they were fine. Personally I've never had any issues with a wider tire in the snow, not a big fan of the pizza cutter setup myself.

Cdnrockies 11-08-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ndabunka (Post 7184794)
LOL - I guess those IDIOTS over at Tire Rack and others were pretty much all idiots, huh?

What was the point of that video? That the DWS were the best of the all seasons? Big freakin' deal. To quote you:

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Granted TRUE winter tires are ALWAYS going to be better
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but 90% of us live in areas where use of studded winter tires is impractical and quite honestly, well...Stupid.
First of all, who ever mentioned anything about studded tires???:tsk:

Second, maybe have a look at where the OP is posting from. Since you clearly have no clue what you're talking about in regards to mountain driving and true snow, maybe have a quick look at the weather network and see what Colorado actually gets.

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There are many of us that need and LIKE using all-weather tires on our SUVs to head up to the mountains to do a bit of skiing when the weather here at the foothills is 50 degrees and not a spot of snow anywhere to be seen. Yet, we drive less than 2 hours away and can easily be in a foot of snow. So far, all season tires have worked VERY WELL on my wife's Highlander Hybrid (225/65-17s). Now granted, those are CONSIDERABLY more narrow than are these new DWSs on my X5 and I WILL be careful my first days in foot-deep snow when I am in SnowShoe, WV but I'll be a LOT happier with the 5.5 hour ride up to that particular ski resort.
And it's exactly jackasses like yourself that make my daily drive less safe because you are unwilling to properly equip your vehicle for the conditions that you are going to encounter for "less than 2 hours" each way.

Guess what Einstein. I live in one of the most beautiful and popular ski resorts in the world.....and guess how many times I see vehicles in the ditch, sliding all over the place, or doing 60 km/h on the highway 'cause they can't control their vehicle safely. Proper equipment and some patience in the snow would go a long way to making things safer for everyone.

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Just give us time, someone here will provide feedback on how effective they actually are.
Do you actually have the 20" DWS set up that the OP specifically asked for feedback regarding???

As I stated earlier....I DO....so whether you like it or not, my feedback is absolutely relevant to the topic.

Don't like it....you know where the door is. :cry:

clinkinfo 11-10-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cdnrockies (Post 7184749)
The Conti's are a fantastic tire on dry and wet pavement. They are, like any other all season tire, completely useless in any real snow.

I run 20'' DWS's for my summer set up and got caught last winter dragging my ass getting the winters put back on. One day of driving in real snow was more than enough to remind me how terrible all season tires are in true snow conditions versus proper winters.

I think your location in Canada probably puts you in a different snow/temp category then most of us, and rightfully so!

However, if anyone else is interested, I've been searching other forums as well to find real feedback on the 20 inch staggered setup (or similar widths on other makes/models). it's tough to find. But what i have found is that contrary to many of the comments and postings from folks not actually running the setup, the folks who have been truely running the DWS or latitudes on the 20 inch setup are reporting that they are completely capable in the snow. There are a couple reporting driving through blizzard conditions without issue on the DWS's. I also found one other individual running toyo proxes, he also indicated he was good in the snow, but there are far more people using the DWS's. If I recall, most people were living in the north east.

Take it for what it's worth, its all people talking on the internet.

ndabunka 11-10-2012 04:24 PM

I did delete my original post about 10 minutes after I posted it primarily because I realized it wasn't worth it. However, since you dragged it back out...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies (Post 7184809)
What was the point of that video? That the DWS were the best of the all seasons? Big freakin' deal.

YES

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies (Post 7184809)
And it's exactly jackasses like yourself that make my daily drive less safe because you are unwilling to properly equip your vehicle for the conditions that you are going to encounter for "less than 2 hours" each way....blah, blah, blah.....Proper equipment and some patience in the snow would go a long way to making things safer for everyone.

I've NEVER been in a car accident driving in the snow & have skied in almost EVERY resort in CO as well as in Germany, Austria, etc so DO understand and agree that winter tires may be ESSENTIAL for a few select locations with conditions like: zero-degrees for extended periods, 3 feet of snow on the daily basis with no street cleaning equipment, etc. However, you appear to be SO single-minded that you do not appear to even fathom the "possibility" that most of us do not live in those conditions. All-Season tires are EXCEPTIONALLY well suited for many of us who live in a different environment than you. In this area it hardly ever gets under 20-degrees Fahrenheit (even in the mountains) so the all-weather tires tend to do a very good job at gripping the show and pavement in the temperatures that are common for THIS area. Resorts tend to have snow removal trucks anytime there is any more than 6 inches of snow on the road and those of us who DO ski a lot also typically bring snow chains of some type (I use SCC cables myself) in the event that the resorts REQUIRE chains to get up (and down) the mountain.

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Originally Posted by Cdnrockies (Post 7184809)
Do you actually have the 20" DWS set up that the OP specifically asked for feedback regarding???

YES, of COURSE I do. Dedicated snow tires would wear out quickly in the 40-50 degree temps that exist for 90% of the time here in the foothills which would make them even further impractical. Who went and made you the SNOW POLICE? Will it bother me if he buys a different tire? Not in the LEAST. Is it REALLY going to make you THAT upset if this guy buys and (heaven forbid) actually USES a set of DWS tires based on a preponderance of positive online replies? This is the internet and like it or not, there are a LOT of opinions and guess what, they may not be the same as yours.

quackbury 11-13-2012 10:51 AM

Someone needs some cranberry juice.....

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ard 11-13-2012 11:35 AM

UTIs are a bitch, eh?

:)

quackbury 11-13-2012 01:16 PM

Do yourself a HUGE favor and watch The Departed this weekend.

Cranberry juice: its not just for UTI's any more. :D

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