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saranr 11-15-2010 02:08 PM

2011 X5-D deals
 
What kind of deals (how much over invoice) are folks getting on 2011 x5 D. I want to use this as a starting point before the holiday and loyalty credit.

patrikr 11-15-2010 02:12 PM

I'm looking at the same thing and best I have been able to get is $63525 on a MRSP of $70025 and that includes the $3500 eco credit. This is about $4k over invoice. I'm sure the dealer can go lower though. Plus they marked up the MF on the lease offer which annoys me even more...

Popdisplay 11-15-2010 02:22 PM

$500 over invoice including MACO, Svc fee, doc fee.

NOT including ECO rebate, Holiday cash, tax credit, sales tax

ard 11-15-2010 07:52 PM

500 over "dealer cost" is a great deal....up to 1500 over on the upper end.

patrikr- $4000 over invoice I think means they are making MORE than the standard profit BMW builds into MSRP. That is an amazingly bad deal.

And so we all know what 'dealer cost' is: Inovice plus delivery plus MACO plus training minus ECO credit minus holiday cash.

Sales tax and tax credits are not part of the equation

mrswh 11-15-2010 08:20 PM

I ordered on 11/2 (from a dealership an hour away) for $1000 over invoice less holiday cash of $2500 and eco credit $3500. MSRP = $61,425, final sale price $52,125. No markup on MF and no other dealer fees.

The other dealers I spoke with in my area wouldn't come anywhere close.

What is this loyalty credit? Is it real or just a myth?

patrikr 11-15-2010 09:19 PM

An update on my situation. Using the information from this forum + info from a local lease broker I renegotiated the price to invoice + $1000 minus the $3500 eco credit and the $2500 holiday incentive. MSRP $70025, sale price $60870. No markup on MF (which they tried initially). The only unnecessary dealer fee was a $55 documentation fee but I can live with that. All in all I'm happy with my deal. Will post pics tomorrow but so far love the car. Ride is a bit stiff and the engine somewhat noisy but you can't argue with 25 mpg on the drive home :)

saranr 11-16-2010 11:14 AM

I am going to test drive x5d this weekend. Is the loud engine noise bothersome with windows closed?

patrikr 11-16-2010 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saranr (Post 5629318)
I am going to test drive x5d this weekend. Is the loud engine noise bothersome with windows closed?

Not really no. It doesn't sound as smooth as the gasoline engines but it's not bothersome. The only annoying thing is that when you have the engine running and exit the car it does sound like a truck :)

Not sure if this will get better over time, I only have 100 miles on the car.

cast128 11-16-2010 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrswh (Post 5628029)
I ordered on 11/2 (from a dealership an hour away) for $1000 over invoice less holiday cash of $2500 and eco credit $3500. MSRP = $61,425, final sale price $52,125. No markup on MF and no other dealer fees.

The other dealers I spoke with in my area wouldn't come anywhere close.

What is this loyalty credit? Is it real or just a myth?

What dealer did you go to? I am in the Denver area and I am looking for a similar deal?

ard 11-16-2010 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saranr (Post 5629318)
I am going to test drive x5d this weekend. Is the loud engine noise bothersome with windows closed?

What loud engine noise???

zz6938 11-16-2010 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrikr (Post 5629337)
Not really no. It doesn't sound as smooth as the gasoline engines but it's not bothersome. The only annoying thing is that when you have the engine running and exit the car it does sound like a truck :)

Not sure if this will get better over time, I only have 100 miles on the car.

No it does not get quieter.

ckwinter 11-19-2010 05:05 AM

looking for dealer
 
I'm in KC and looking for 35d for approximately invoice + $1000 (minus $3500 & $2500 of course). Dealer here not willing to go that low and not really doing much on my 2006 X5 trade either. Any dealers, and particular salespeople to recommend working with? Possibiliities: Chicago, St. Louis, Denver, are all a days driving distance.

Can't wait for my 35d! Also, what's the best way to actually know invoice price, just have the dealer show you?

mrswh 11-19-2010 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckwinter (Post 5636931)
I'm in KC and looking for 35d for approximately invoice + $1000 (minus $3500 & $2500 of course). Dealer here not willing to go that low and not really doing much on my 2006 X5 trade either. Any dealers, and particular salespeople to recommend working with? Possibiliities: Chicago, St. Louis, Denver, are all a days driving distance.

Can't wait for my 35d! Also, what's the best way to actually know invoice price, just have the dealer show you?

Try Co's BMW in Loveland, CO. I got exactly the deal you outlined with no dealer fees and am leasing with no markup on the money factor.

You can check edmunds.com for invoice price, though that didn't line up exactly on mine. If you figure invoice is 93% of MSRP that gets you pretty close.

porkchop1221 11-19-2010 07:49 AM

Quote from NJ dealer
 
So we have been going back and forth with a few dealers. Some won't even bother to quote until you have physically been to see them. They are off the list.

The best quote so far:

MSRP $65,575.00
Invoice $60,270.00

Purchase Price $ 55,270.00
Tax $ 3,868.90
Registration $ 439.50
Doc $ 239.00
Total $ 59,817.40

So that should break down to 1k over invoice. then the 3500 ECO credit and 2500 holiday financing credit.

Is there anything else I should be aware of?

The Doc fee changes depending on the dealership. One was 349.00 and another was 165.20.

I'm also considering the road hazard (tire and wheel) insurance - got a quote of 1900 and maybe the extended warranty. I've been reading up on everyone other posts and am still ambiviant about it.

I forgot to mention that we are trading a car. I'm sure that will be part of the negotiations. Any suggestions on how to handle that? Its a VW R32 2008 with over 60k.

Any help appreciated!

Options on the X5 in case anyone wanted to know\:
Active ventilated seat package
Cold Weather Package
Premium Package
Premium Sound Package
Rear Climate Package
Technology Package
Comfort Access keyless entry
Roof rails$

fuelie 11-19-2010 07:54 AM

I am from the KC area and plan to purchase before the end of the year to take advantage of incentives. You may want to consider BMW of Des Moines. My intent is to contact the internet sale department and make them an offer and then see if Baron will match.

Since I am new to this forum this topic may have been previously discussed, but I am also planning to leverage the American Express Car buying Network Program. If this is not a valid approach I am sure someone will chime in.

Fuelie

SkipSauls 11-19-2010 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckwinter (Post 5636931)
I'm in KC and looking for 35d for approximately invoice + $1000 (minus $3500 & $2500 of course). Dealer here not willing to go that low and not really doing much on my 2006 X5 trade either. Any dealers, and particular salespeople to recommend working with? Possibiliities: Chicago, St. Louis, Denver, are all a days driving distance.

Can't wait for my 35d! Also, what's the best way to actually know invoice price, just have the dealer show you?

As others have said, if you're willing to go to the Denver area try Zach at Co's BMW in Loveland, which is about 1 hour north of Denver. We got $1000 over invoice, the $3500 eco credit + $2500 loyalty credit, and a decent trade-in on my 2007 335i. All together we saved nearly $3000 over the best deal that my dealer of 10 years in Boulder could do, so so much for "loyalty!" ;)

The folks at Co's made it very easy to do the deal, even working with us on the minimum amount needed to finance (we weren't going to do so) to get the holiday credit. The final selling price (minus taxes and fees) was $57595 versus an MSRP of $66675, so just over $900 off. If you add in the $1000 from BMW CCA and count the $1800 tax credit, the X5 35d is a decent enough deal in this market segment.

pfbz 11-19-2010 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkipSauls (Post 5637539)
As others have said, if you're willing to go to the Denver area try Zach at Co's BMW in Loveland, which is about 1 hour north of Denver. We got $1000 over invoice, the $3500 eco credit + $2500 loyalty credit, and a decent trade-in on my 2007 335i. All together we saved nearly $3000 over the best deal that my dealer of 10 years in Boulder could do, so so much for "loyalty!" ;)

Skip, What's the MACO up at Co's, and was the $1,000 inclusive or exclusive of MACO and the $200 training fee?

mrswh 11-19-2010 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfbz (Post 5639266)
Skip, What's the MACO up at Co's, and was the $1,000 inclusive or exclusive of MACO and the $200 training fee?

Butting in here, was just looking at my order, though, so thought I could help. MACO = $300, and at least for my deal ($1k over invoice), "invoice" included MACO + training.

Popdisplay 11-20-2010 08:49 AM

and dealer doc fee?

335i 11-20-2010 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuelie (Post 5637329)
I am from the KC area and plan to purchase before the end of the year to take advantage of incentives. You may want to consider BMW of Des Moines. My intent is to contact the internet sale department and make them an offer and then see if Baron will match.

Since I am new to this forum this topic may have been previously discussed, but I am also planning to leverage the American Express Car buying Network Program. If this is not a valid approach I am sure someone will chime in.

Fuelie

Baron = worst car dealership sales wise I have EVER encountered, with BMW of Tulsa a close second. I've bought 2 BMW's, and the first one, they wouldn't even talk to me about anything less than MSRP - the second (X5D) they wanted full markup on MF, etc, and $1000 under MSRP, even after I showed them other deals. BMW of Tulsa claimed flat out that a better deal couldn't be done than what they offered (almost identical to Baron). I politely disagree - look for $1000-$1500 over invoice, minus eco credit, etc.

mrswh 11-20-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popdisplay (Post 5639867)
and dealer doc fee?

Not sure if you were referring to my post. If so, Co's isn't charging a dealer doc fee or any other fees - aside of course from the $725 BMWNA Acquisition Fee.

If you were asking someone else, please disregard my post!

Rangerrotty 11-20-2010 06:24 PM

The wife(forum member also) and I placed an order for a 2011 X5d tonight with Prestige BMW in Ramsey, NJ. I must say, it was one of the easier car purchases I have experienced. There was one easier, but I digress. Anyway, we ordered a Deep Sea Blue with Sand Beige with the following packages:

Vent Seats
Cold Pack
Premium Pack
Premium Sound Pack
Rear Climate Pack
Tech Pack
Comfort Access
Roof Rails

The purchase price was/is $55,270 plus tax, doc($249), and NJ reg($400 something). We got the $2500 Holiday and $3500 ECO credits. Anyway, for a $65k+ MSRP we feel we got a decent deal. They treated us really well and the dealership seems top notch. They also gave us thousands more on the trade car versus another local BMW dealer.

We're looking forward to taking delivery!!

Martin

ckwinter 11-21-2010 06:44 PM

For those KC folks I did get Baron to do $1000 over invoice on the 35d and they also came up on my trade-in.

I could not get them to waive the $279 administrative/processing fee and invoice includes the $405 MACO and $200 training/service fee. They matched the best trade-in offer from two other BMW dealers. I finally got this deal after telling them a dealership in Texas was willing to do the same. Anyone think I should push for more or is that close enough to as good as it gets? I'd probably go out of state to save another $500+ but think I'm reasonably happy with this deal since it's 4 miles from my house.

As a side note...I spent 3 hours in the KC dealership one day test driving and negotiating. A day later I sent the salesperson an email about the other out of state deal and it suddenly dropped their price $3K.

After this I will never make a car deal at the dealership. Test drive only. My experience tells me car deals are best done over the phone or email and they take a fraction of the time.

Popdisplay 11-21-2010 07:04 PM

Albany BMW in GA
No maco fee. Will sell any car @ inv + scv fee and $499 doc fee.
effectively $500 over inv.

saving the MACO fee makes it like $100 over inv; compared to your local deal.

Talk to Karen

Kirit 11-22-2010 01:38 PM

I got it for 300 over the invoice (if there is any Maco fees then it was not paid by me) in NJ.


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