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Si e30 03-21-2012 12:03 AM

e36 weird high
 
Hi all , find some weird rear view from My E36 320i just this morning after full fill it with gasoline,my old lady a bit slant to the right side.
measure it from rear fender lips to wheel hub Center found about 1" differences left and right, the right side more close to the ground , what it can be causing the problem:
1. Shock absorber
2. Coil Spring
3. Stabilizer
thanks for advice

Jok15 03-21-2012 12:22 AM

wat :confused:

EDIT: Are you trying to say your car is leaning more on one side?

TRaV MaNN 03-21-2012 12:31 AM

Passengers?

If not I would get under and inspect for anything that may have come unbloted. A cm or 2 might be normal but an inch is not.

Si e30 03-21-2012 12:33 AM

Yap...to the right side,same condition once the gas is half or empty ( I just finish it with long journey :):eek:

E36 Phantom 03-21-2012 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRaV MaNN (Post 6716422)
Passengers?

If not I would get under and inspect for anything that may have come unbloted. A cm or 2 might be normal but an inch is not.

Not to nitpick, but 2 cm is practically an inch.... :angel:

TRaV MaNN 03-21-2012 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E36 Phantom (Post 6716426)
Not to nitpick, but 2 cm is practically an inch.... :angel:

What she doesn't know won't hurt her....:angel:

Si e30 03-21-2012 12:40 AM

Noted for above will go under her and check for the same, any way can shock absorber causing this problem

cmybimmer 03-21-2012 12:47 AM

Could be your rear spring not seated in properly :dunno:... Or a different size tire on one side?

DEATH2000 03-21-2012 12:53 AM

Isnt the drivers side supposed to sit slightly higher so that when you sit in it, it evens out? But an inch is exessive.

jonesin 03-21-2012 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by death2000 (Post 6716437)
isnt the drivers side supposed to sit slightly higher so that when you sit in it, it evens out? But an inch is exessive.

+1


Quote:

Originally Posted by pjbimmer (Post 2199813)
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ZeGerman 03-21-2012 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEATH2000 (Post 6716437)
Isnt the drivers side supposed to sit slightly higher so that when you sit in it, it evens out? But an inch is exessive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesin (Post 6716583)
+1

Honestly, I think this is a myth. Ride height is determined by the springs, and the left and right springs do not have individual part numbers on the E36, just front & rear. That and the fact that my car never had a lean when it was on the stock suspension.

Moeman10 03-21-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeGerman (Post 6716875)
Honestly, I think this is a myth. Ride height is determined by the springs, and the left and right springs do not have individual part numbers on the E36, just front & rear. That and the fact that my car never had a lean when it was on the stock suspension.

Well deal with it, because it's true.

I've had three or four different master tech's mention it.

DEATH2000 03-21-2012 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moeman10 (Post 6716964)
Well deal with it, because it's true.

I've had three or four different master tech's mention it.

What did they say in regards to how much higher the drivers side is supposed to be? Where did they say the measuring point was, ground to top of wheel arch?

Moeman10 03-21-2012 09:29 AM

Measuring point IIRC was top of fender arch to ground.


and the difference is 1/4 inch.

cj.surr 03-21-2012 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeGerman (Post 6716875)
Honestly, I think this is a myth. Ride height is determined by the springs, and the left and right springs do not have individual part numbers on the E36, just front & rear. That and the fact that my car never had a lean when it was on the stock suspension.

Not sure if it's true or not, but I suppose the ride height could be increased on the drivers side by altering the spring perch, not necessarily the spring.

ZeGerman 03-21-2012 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moeman10 (Post 6716964)
Well deal with it, because it's true.

I've had three or four different master tech's mention it.

I still don't believe it. It's not like everything a master technician says is true, either. Nobody has ever been able to produce empirically validated information on this topic. All that has ever been said is people claiming someone else told them it was so, or they refer to some other internet forum. Yes, there could be difference in the spring perches, but this is highly unlikely because altering the spring perch would also alter the spring compression. From an engineering standpoint, it does not make any sense to design a side-specific spring perch and then use the same height/rate springs on both sides of the car. Rather, if different spring perches were to be used, I'm sure BMW engineers would have also designed springs which were specific to each side of the car. Alas, they have not.

Also, there has not been a single example provided which shows any actual dimensional differences between the left and right struts. Not in the history of the internet, and not in any official BMW technical literature (to my knowledge). It's all "my mechanic said this" and "this forum says so".

You guys gotta go with what's logical. There is nothing about the stock E36 suspension which suggests that one side is higher than the other.

bmw-mania 03-21-2012 11:10 AM

Id check for someone doing the Hazzard County sh!t in your car.
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/hazzard-4.jpg

REMOVE any cheap suspension component and replace with REPUTABLE PARTS.
Then, get a PROPER Alignment done and tire/tyre inspection.

Take pictures BEFORE, and AFTER from ALL ANGLES.
Come back, and post pictures.

We'll take a look. :D
Cheers!

cmybimmer 03-21-2012 11:13 AM

^ I've always thought the same.. Especially since the rear springs are interchangeable with each other, and so are the fronts.. sooo if you swap sides, the car will lean to the left?

Edit: this is meant to add to karls post

Joe__Sterling 03-21-2012 12:05 PM

what about natural weight design of the car? IE the driverside weighs slighly less than the passenger? :dunno:

anyways OP check everything, if your not low just peeking you head under the rear bumper may tell you all you need to know.

ZeGerman 03-21-2012 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poorboysracing (Post 6717450)
what about natural weight design of the car? IE the driverside weighs slighly less than the passenger? :dunno:

While technically possible, this idea is highly unlikely, and has never been verified by or even alluded to by anyone. And when you tear down an E36 to a bare shell, nothing indicates that this is remotely plausible. Then there is the fact that E36s were sold in different markets, with both RHD and LHD.

cj.surr 03-21-2012 12:13 PM

Maybe people just say that because the gas tank is on the passenger side? :dunno:

ZeGerman 03-21-2012 12:42 PM

Only the filler neck is on the passenger side. The fuel tank itself is centered under the rear seat.

veteran011 03-21-2012 01:11 PM

dude karl you are prepped for this! GO GO GO GO!!!

armando325i 03-21-2012 01:38 PM

this is a sicnes on e36s. some people say its becouse of batarie put on the back, but overal it is ur suspension problem. some of the bushes and links may me worn more what results in this problem, its always like that, when the weight is being put on the back, one side ( wekest links) will give more than other. unless u are going to change the whole suspension links, bushes joints etc, than there is no point to worie about.:thumbup:

Mr Gusta 03-21-2012 03:46 PM

does this mean the RHD leans to the left :dunno:


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