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EDYTHE 05-29-2012 06:59 PM

Why did you choose the gt?
 
Hello - just found about the GT !! been considering an '11 535/550 sedan and now i am confused as to why wouldn't want a GT instead!!!

One of the reason I ask is that GM's CTS-wagon isn't as big a seller in my area as is the sedan ... it's the same car - why not take advantage of having a wagon and same equipment as a sedan ? .....is this the same 'logic' one could take with the GT ?
....any input would be so appreciated !!! :confused:

jadnashuanh 05-29-2012 08:36 PM

The GT is closer to the 7-series than a 5-series sedan; it has the interior room of the normal wheel-base 7-series. So, it is larger, sits a bit higher, and has more headroom than any of the BMW's, if that's an issue (it was with me!). The hatchback is handy, too.

gmblack3 05-29-2012 08:49 PM

I all but had the wife talked into the CTS-V wagon, but the interior is just too small all around. Once my wife drove the GT, it was all over with.

Rear seat legroom and overall cabin space over the 5 series sedan, made the GT an easy pick for us.

EDYTHE 05-30-2012 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jadnashuanh (Post 6864473)
The GT is closer to the 7-series than a 5-series sedan; it has the interior room of the normal wheel-base 7-series. So, it is larger, sits a bit higher, and has more headroom than any of the BMW's, if that's an issue (it was with me!). The hatchback is handy, too.

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interesting information !!! perhaps the F10's are lower in price than the GT explaining why more of them are sold ? many thanks for your help !

EDYTHE 05-30-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gmblack3 (Post 6864504)
I all but had the wife talked into the CTS-V wagon, but the interior is just too small all around. Once my wife drove the GT, it was all over with.

Rear seat legroom and overall cabin space over the 5 series sedan, made the GT an easy pick for us.

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you're right about the space in the CTS - we disliked the seats also ....did you notice any appreciable difference in the CTS's seats vs. GT's ? if i'm not wrong the GT's are 20=way; the CTS onl 8-way. enjoy your car and thanks for your input !

starryeyed 05-30-2012 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EDYTHE (Post 6864219)
Hello - just found about the GT !! been considering an '11 535/550 sedan and now i am confused as to why wouldn't want a GT instead!!!

One of the reason I ask is that GM's CTS-wagon isn't as big a seller in my area as is the sedan ... it's the same car - why not take advantage of having a wagon and same equipment as a sedan ? .....is this the same 'logic' one could take with the GT ?
....any input would be so appreciated !!! :confused:

Hi EDYTHE. Most of the folks on this forum will agree with you - who wouldn't want a GT??!

As you pointed out, price may be a factor - the GT is more expensive than a sedan. Others claim they don't like the looks of the GT. Others say it feels too big (since it's on a 7-series base). Others are just happy-as-clams with the function of a sedan.

Cars are such a personal thing - you have to know what you want out of a car. For me, the roominess, the cargo capacity, the sportiness, the handling, the luxurious fit & finish, etc. presented a perfect blend for me. Personally, I wouldn't want a sedan.

As far as the looks, I opted for the MSport package because to my eye, the beefier front grill & added styling help to visually balance the size of the hatch. Mine is a lighter color too, which (again to my eye) helps to break up the rear bumper. I've attached photos.

Loganradio 05-31-2012 07:49 AM

Hi, Edythe! These lovely folks in this forum have helped me make the final decision to purchase a 535i xDrive GT. For me it's the value...just seems as though I'll be getting more car for the $$$, considering that with my preferred options, this car is priced at same level as the 5-series sedan. And (this is the female in me) the color selections are so much better! LOL

kashrahman 05-31-2012 02:38 PM

I think the main difference to the buyer's eye is that the GT (compared to the 5) tends to be more expensive (about $5-8K more than a comparable equipped sedan), the interior is more spacious (it is based off the 7, not the 5) and the looks -- you either love it or hate it. or maybe you feel neutral. the point is, the sedan people think it looks ugly. the GT lovers think it's awesome. Personally when I think "sexy car", I think of my convertible. But when I think of "luxurious car that can be very sporty and carry lots of stuff very comfortably", then I think of the wife's GT.

The wife's previous car was the E66 750Li. She absolutely loved it. She wanted something that was just as luxurious and comfortable, but a little better gas mileage (turns out she's getting almost the same -- mostly her driving style), so she went with the GT. To her, the 5 was very nice, but the GT really reminded her of her 7 (spacious, comfortable, etc).

edit: I should add that in 2011, the GT was more expensive than the 5. Now with the ZVP (value package) they may be very similar in cost. For us, the extra cost was worth it. She's had her GT for 9 months or so -- she's around 16K miles now.

avus9 05-31-2012 02:49 PM

Why did I buy my 5gt? Simple. Price. Dealer was discounting my 550i GT $14k off sticker, and offered me $2k more for my trade-in. (Plus, no nearby Land Rover dealer had a Sport S/C in the color I wanted.)
But, be forewarned. The rate of depreciation on any 5GT is atrocious. Do not buy this vehicle under the impression of it being a value (or good buy) - its not. A 5-series sedan holds its residual values much more.
That being said, used 5GTs are an extremely smart buy. If buying/leasing new, you should be getting it at or below invoice.
Good luck with your buy. And welcome to the 5GT family.

EDYTHE 06-01-2012 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by starryeyed (Post 6866355)
Hi EDYTHE. Most of the folks on this forum will agree with you - who wouldn't want a GT??!

As you pointed out, price may be a factor - the GT is more expensive than a sedan. Others claim they don't like the looks of the GT. Others say it feels too big (since it's on a 7-series base). Others are just happy-as-clams with the function of a sedan.

Cars are such a personal thing - you have to know what you want out of a car. For me, the roominess, the cargo capacity, the sportiness, the handling, the luxurious fit & finish, etc. presented a perfect blend for me. Personally, I wouldn't want a sedan.

As far as the looks, I opted for the MSport package because to my eye, the beefier front grill & added styling help to visually balance the size of the hatch. Mine is a lighter color too, which (again to my eye) helps to break up the rear bumper. I've attached photos.

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wonderful information and help! you're so correct about cars being a personal 'like/dislike'
your car is just gorgeous !!! DH viewed the px you posted and was duly impressed !!!!
But because we're 'seniors' he's curious and he is wondering if the GT is more to the liking of ''the younger-set''- LOL ? or if one is 'more mature in age' one could have the GT for 'utility' purposes and a sedan that is a 'traditional-looking' BMW with it's classic-lines?
While we'd want is one that could serve two purposes ( utility and convenience of the extra 'storeage space) he's still wants a BMW that first is as lovely-looking and viewed as a 'luxury-sedan' .. ...then again perhaps one can't expect 'both' issues solve in one vehicle ...But yours is truely gorgeous! ...obviously we have to view the GT & sedan side by side which we plan on doing
....thanks again !!

EDYTHE 06-01-2012 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Loganradio (Post 6867517)
Hi, Edythe! These lovely folks in this forum have helped me make the final decision to purchase a 535i xDrive GT. For me it's the value...just seems as though I'll be getting more car for the $$$, considering that with my preferred options, this car is priced at same level as the 5-series sedan. And (this is the female in me) the color selections are so much better! LOL

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hi ! do totally understand your decision on colors from the ''female' point of view - LOL ...thanks so much for your imput - will you be posting your car ? what color 'did' you get !!! enjoy - and thanks ! edythe

EDYTHE 06-01-2012 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kashrahman (Post 6868497)
I think the main difference to the buyer's eye is that the GT (compared to the 5) tends to be more expensive (about $5-8K more than a comparable equipped sedan), the interior is more spacious (it is based off the 7, not the 5) and the looks -- you either love it or hate it. or maybe you feel neutral. the point is, the sedan people think it looks ugly. the GT lovers think it's awesome. Personally when I think "sexy car", I think of my convertible. But when I think of "luxurious car that can be very sporty and carry lots of stuff very comfortably", then I think of the wife's GT.

The wife's previous car was the E66 750Li. She absolutely loved it. She wanted something that was just as luxurious and comfortable, but a little better gas mileage (turns out she's getting almost the same -- mostly her driving style), so she went with the GT. To her, the 5 was very nice, but the GT really reminded her of her 7 (spacious, comfortable, etc).

edit: I should add that in 2011, the GT was more expensive than the 5. Now with the ZVP (value package) they may be very similar in cost. For us, the extra cost was worth it. She's had her GT for 9 months or so -- she's around 16K miles now.

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thanks so much for the above information !!! we haven't seen the GT in person so i guess that's the first step but knowing the comps to the '7' and space it's surely worth considering !!! enjoy ! edythe

EDYTHE 06-01-2012 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by avus9 (Post 6868530)
Why did I buy my 5gt? Simple. Price. Dealer was discounting my 550i GT $14k off sticker, and offered me $2k more for my trade-in. (Plus, no nearby Land Rover dealer had a Sport S/C in the color I wanted.)
But, be forewarned. The rate of depreciation on any 5GT is atrocious. Do not buy this vehicle under the impression of it being a value (or good buy) - its not. A 5-series sedan holds its residual values much more.
That being said, used 5GTs are an extremely smart buy. If buying/leasing new, you should be getting it at or below invoice.
Good luck with your buy. And welcome to the 5GT family.

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wow this was important information about resale...it would not be a resale for us since it probably be our 'last' vehicle purchase - LOL ..however it's still good to be advised about the value-depreciation compared to the 535/550 !!! thanks for the purchase $ advices also !
Enjoy yours and many thanks for your time !!!! :thumbup:

starryeyed 06-01-2012 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EDYTHE (Post 6869838)
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wonderful information and help! you're so correct about cars being a personal 'like/dislike'
your car is just gorgeous !!! DH viewed the px you posted and was duly impressed !!!!
But because we're 'seniors' he's curious and he is wondering if the GT is more to the liking of ''the younger-set''- LOL ? or if one is 'more mature in age' one could have the GT for 'utility' purposes and a sedan that is a 'traditional-looking' BMW with it's classic-lines?
While we'd want is one that could serve two purposes ( utility and convenience of the extra 'storeage space) he's still wants a BMW that first is as lovely-looking and viewed as a 'luxury-sedan' .. ...then again perhaps one can't expect 'both' issues solve in one vehicle ...But yours is truely gorgeous! ...obviously we have to view the GT & sedan side by side which we plan on doing
....thanks again !!

Thanks EDYTHE. Sounds like a bit of a dilemma. Not easy. I wouldn't worry about age perception, though. Buy a car based on what you like and what your needs are.

Some people who are "younger" buy the GT because they have children and the back seat and cargo capacity are great, without having to move to an SUV. Some people are "older" and like the utility plus the command seating. The GT is very easy to get in-and-out of. I think it's a car that can appeal to any age, really.

Your best bet is to drive them both and see what YOU and DH like better. Don't worry about what your neighbors or friends will think. Whatever you get, they'll be jealous! :D

Wardman 06-01-2012 01:39 PM

Best lease rates and residual value around in fall of 2011 :-)

EDYTHE 06-01-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by starryeyed (Post 6870390)
Thanks EDYTHE. Sounds like a bit of a dilemma. Not easy. I wouldn't worry about age perception, though. Buy a car based on what you like and what your needs are.

Some people who are "younger" buy the GT because they have children and the back seat and cargo capacity are great, without having to move to an SUV. Some people are "older" and like the utility plus the command seating. The GT is very easy to get in-and-out of. I think it's a car that can appeal to any age, really.

Your best bet is to drive them both and see what YOU and DH like better. Don't worry about what your neighbors or friends will think. Whatever you get, they'll be jealous! :D

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yes - you're correct about looking/driving/assessing both ....

..'' Whatever you get, they'll be jealous!
now 'that's funny !!!
many thanks again for your ideas ,thoughts and insight !!!!! Edyth,

EDYTHE 06-01-2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wardman (Post 6870581)
Best lease rates and residual value around in fall of 2011 :-)

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we wouldn't be doing a lease - are you saying to wait for the Fall of '12 for the best value in a leftover '11/12? i think DH would agree with you ....
;)

bdman 06-01-2012 06:09 PM

I took delivery of my 2012 in November. Held out as long as I could to try and getter better residuals, etc... But it turned out I got the highest residual and best incentives by locking in my deal in September. In general, if leasing, December is the best month to get a car. The residual values are never better and manufacturers tend to roll out incentives to pump up their yearly numbers. So I believe that the 2013's sweet spot in incentives and residual values (if leasing) will be October to December. Just my two cents. I lease a new BMW every 3 years since 1999.

PS With the horrible resale value of GTs (according to some posters), I'd lease rather than purchase one. Then at the end of the lease if you still want the car you can negotiate and pay fair market value. You should save more than if you financed for 5 years.

EDYTHE 06-01-2012 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bdman (Post 6871008)
I took delivery of my 2012 in November. Held out as long as I could to try and getter better residuals, etc... But it turned out I got the highest residual and best incentives by locking in my deal in September. In general, if leasing, December is the best month to get a car. The residual values are never better and manufacturers tend to roll out incentives to pump up their yearly numbers. So I believe that the 2013's sweet spot in incentives and residual values (if leasing) will be October to December. Just my two cents. I lease a new BMW every 3 years since 1999.

PS With the horrible resale value of GTs (according to some posters), I'd lease rather than purchase one. Then at the end of the lease if you still want the car you can negotiate and pay fair market value. You should save more than if you financed for 5 years.

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i can't apply (i' would assume) 'leasing' procedures to outright buying procedures ..
Anyway it's interesting about the sad resales of the GT's...but leasing makes sense ...just in case'' !! great idea ! thanks again so much for all you time and details ! best regards - Edythe
ps ...i'll be away from the computer for a few days...if i don't reply, it's not out of rudness ! :angel:

bdman 06-01-2012 06:52 PM

If you have the cash to buy it upfront they'll lease it to you :)

EDYTHE 06-02-2012 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bdman (Post 6871062)
If you have the cash to buy it upfront they'll lease it to you :)

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didn't realize that ....i thought once past a certain 'mature' (ahem!) age that wouldn't be an option for us *from a dealer's end of the transaction.)

Never have done a lease ...i suppose it means weighing the 'financial' positives/negatives of outright ownership- depreciation (incl. but not limited to possible dissatisfaction after-the-fact) vs. lease-costs and any other 'grief' we are ignorent of) but then on the 'positive' side is the fact that one is not 'velcroed' for life to a vehicle .
Interesting idea !! thanks ! Edythe
PS -won't be using the computer for a few days - replies will be delayed....thanks

Loganradio 06-06-2012 07:18 AM

Edythe ~ I'm a "senior", too...a very young 62 who has been driving 328xi Sport Wagons for 6 years (2007 & 2010). Time for an upgrade, and I was set on the 535i xDrive sedan until I found this forum and started comparing prices. Frankly, I find the colors on the 5-series sedan to be boring, which was another reason to look more closely at the GT and its upgraded color options. Yes, I know this is such a girlie thing, but so what?! Anyway, I have decided on the Orion Silver with Venetian Beige Dakota leather. Sticking with the 535i xDrive GT.

Wardman 06-06-2012 01:02 PM

The lease rates and residuals for the GT were incredible in the fall of 2011. The 550GT actually leased out better since it had a higher residual. The residual came from BMW as far as I know and many people took advantage of it.

Then in 2012, the 750i Active Hybrid had awesome residuals.

Look for some of my posts to see exchanges with others on the fall residual rates. I think it was 62% for a 3 year lease with 45,000 total miles. Then you buy down the lease rate by doing multiple security deposits. For me the net was paying abouf 27K to rent the car for 3 years assuming I don't go over mileage and then it is BMW's problem again.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...132&highlight=

and find a lease calculator to find out what you are paying.

Loganradio 06-07-2012 06:10 AM

Sound advice, Wardman. Much appreciated. Will compare residuals/lease payments before making decision. I am buying out lease on 2010 Sport Wagon. I expected higher mileage than I've put on it, so instead of 63k miles my company paid on the lease, I've driven less than 40k. Residual is $22,300 and I feel good about this price. Any input appreciated.

EDYTHE 06-07-2012 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Loganradio (Post 6879191)
Edythe ~ I'm a "senior", too...a very young 62 who has been driving 328xi Sport Wagons for 6 years (2007 & 2010). Time for an upgrade, and I was set on the 535i xDrive sedan until I found this forum and started comparing prices. Frankly, I find the colors on the 5-series sedan to be boring, which was another reason to look more closely at the GT and its upgraded color options. Yes, I know this is such a girlie thing, but so what?! Anyway, I have decided on the Orion Silver with Venetian Beige Dakota leather. Sticking with the 535i xDrive GT.

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Hi - your car sounds gorgeous !!! and nothing 'wrong' with a 'color-preference' !! if this weren't important to people, cars would be available in any shade you want ....as long as it's black ! LOL (not 'my' quote)... post some px when you get it :thumbup: =- regards - edythe


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