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RoyFokker 06-29-2012 11:01 PM

Odd sound from M54 3.0 engine 2003
 
Hey folks, any help would be appreciated. I've talked to several mechanics and no one has firm ID on what the problem is.

The M54 3.0 engine on my 2003 Z4 is making an odd sound when its hot. It does not make the sound when the engine is cold, and takes about 15-20min to get warm enough for the sound to start up. My car has 101k miles. I've found a Youtube video from someone else with the same problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a1fh...eature=related

It can best be heard in the video between 0:40 - 0:50. It's not the CCV, just replaced it. One theory is that its the oil pump.

Thanks in advance!

LX-biker 07-01-2012 07:09 PM

From what I know can be VANOS rattle, chain tensioner inside engine, or AC compressor belt tensioner pulley or/and tensioner (easiest to fix).
Not sure about AC clutch. Try to on /off AC an listen if it changes. USE different oil may calm down a bit VANOS rattle if it the case. Chain tensioner may diagnose very good mechanic I guess.

RoyFokker 07-01-2012 07:45 PM

Its not coming from the VANOS or any of the tensioners on the belt system. It makes the sounds independent of the A/C. It could be the chain tensioner. If it's that or the oil pump, huge dollars to drop the oil pan :( I've been thinking about putting thicker oil in to see if it helps.

Hutchman 07-01-2012 07:58 PM

I have the same rattle after start up. It is a growl of sorts. It is not coming from any tensioner or the Vanos. I am curious what it ends up being. Keep us posted. I took off the DISA valve, but is appeared to be in one piece and tight. I am at a loss on what to do except listen to it or turn up the radio.

smolck 07-01-2012 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyFokker (Post 6928997)
Its not coming from the VANOS or any of the tensioners on the belt system. It makes the sounds independent of the A/C. It could be the chain tensioner. If it's that or the oil pump, huge dollars to drop the oil pan :( I've been thinking about putting thicker oil in to see if it helps.

Hard to say what it is from that video. Phone camera's don't pick up sound well. Personally, I think it sounds like valve train noise, and maybe normal. Chain tensioner's and oil pumps are unlikely failure points. Is your car full of the proper weight oil? How often do you change it and when was the last change?

RoyFokker 07-03-2012 09:01 PM

It's been making the sound for the last 10000 miles or so. It's gotten maybe a tiny bit worse since then. I'm running the standard BMW 5W-30 synthetic. It's not the DISA, just replaced that about 20k miles ago.

325iPhil 07-10-2012 10:18 AM

I just replaced timing system. Chain, tensioner, cam chains, and gears. Yes its a big job. Must pull the head because the gasket covers the area between the head and the timing cover. The easiest way was to remove the entire front of the auto. Only the frame and block and front tires were left infront of the firewall. Three K for the job but after 230000miles parts wear out.

mark.r.cullen 11-10-2012 12:27 PM

Did you ever figure out what this noise was? Mine has started making the same noise, or at least sounds very very very similar.

It's not the belts / pulleys / water pump. It seemed to start after a belt / pulley refresh, but we took the belts off and the noise was still there.

It seemed like maybe it was coming from the crank damper pulley, and placing a screwdriver just below this I could hear the noise very very faintly. I think the oil pump is around this area, but it really was faint, so I'm not sure....

It only seems to happen on warm idle. If the car's cold it sounds fine.

Oil was changed only about 2k miles a go, shortly after I got the car. Mobil1 0w40 New Life.

RoyFokker 11-10-2012 02:33 PM

I never was able to figure out what was causing the sound. I changed the oil with Mobil 1 0W-40 and the sound pretty much went away. After about 4000 miles the sound has come back. I had an oil analysis done by Blackstone and it showed some bearing wear. Regardless, it's either the oil pump or something being lubricated by the oil. Overall my car has been making this sound off and on for more than 20000 miles so I'm not sure what to make of it.

I'm probably going to change the oil again soon and see if it makes the sound go away again (and run another oil analysis).

mark.r.cullen 11-10-2012 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyFokker (Post 7187580)
I never was able to figure out what was causing the sound. I changed the oil with Mobil 1 0W-40 and the sound pretty much went away. After about 4000 miles the sound has come back. I had an oil analysis done by Blackstone and it showed some bearing wear. Regardless, it's either the oil pump or something being lubricated by the oil. Overall my car has been making this sound off and on for more than 20000 miles so I'm not sure what to make of it.

I'm probably going to change the oil again soon and see if it makes the sound go away again (and run another oil analysis).

That's quite interesting.

Have you always used Mobil1 ? I've come across a couple of posts claiming it caused people to have a 'noisy engine'. Seemed mad to me at the time , but i wonder if that is all it is ? One video of the same sound on YouTube (took me ages to find !) Claims they changed with standard BMW oil and it has not come back.

Do you do a lot of short journeys ? I do , unfortunately, So i guess maybe this has accelerated the issue for me... as mentioned previously my oil is only 2k old , but i have started to get a bit of mayo from condensation (not loosing coolant as far as i can tell)

I might change the oil and see if it goes away. I'm just not sure what to change it with.... Mobil1 again... bmw stuff.... i hear German Castrol is great.

Ill let you know what happens my end anyways :-)

Fast Bob 11-11-2012 08:33 AM

Sounds fairly typical for a BMW I6....they ARE machines, after all....

RoyFokker 11-11-2012 10:18 AM

It started making the noise while I was using the BMW 5W-30 oil. When I changed the oil to Mobil 1 the noise went away for about 3000 miles then came back. I'm thinking of changing the oil again soon to the new Amsoil 5W-40 European formula (code EFMQT-EA) that meets the BMW LL-01 specification (it just came out in Oct).

I've been using Amsoil for years in other cars and it works well.

I do mostly highway driving with mine. I'm starting to think that it's fresh oil that helps, not necessarily the type. After the oil starts breaking down it's not quite lubricating as well, and the noise creeps up. Hopefully it's a problem that won't manifest itself for a long while!

Fast Bob 11-11-2012 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RoyFokker (Post 7188582)
It started making the noise while I was using the BMW 5W-30 oil. When I changed the oil to Mobil 1 the noise went away for about 3000 miles then came back. I'm thinking of changing the oil again soon to the new Amsoil 5W-40 European formula (code EFMQT-EA) that meets the BMW LL-01 specification (it just came out in Oct).

I've been using Amsoil for years in other cars and it works well.

I do mostly highway driving with mine. I'm starting to think that it's fresh oil that helps, not necessarily the type. After the oil starts breaking down it's not quite lubricating as well, and the noise creeps up. Hopefully it's a problem that won't manifest itself for a long while!

The other possibility is that you`re looking to make a Federal case out of nothing.... :tsk:

RoyFokker 11-11-2012 12:26 PM

I hope that's the case! ;)

mark.r.cullen 11-11-2012 01:16 PM

I hope so too. Such a strange noise though.... and just appeared all of a sudden. Weird.

00Z 11-11-2013 07:59 AM

Hey Mark, did you ever find anything on this knock?. I have a '02 Z with 3.0 and it just started to make this sound.... mine only has 76,000 miles though. it's only when warm and at idle.

mark.r.cullen 11-11-2013 08:45 AM

I never did figure it out sorry. The last thing I did was change the Ccv and air intake distribution part. This didnt do anything for the noise I heard.

In my searches at the time a couple of people seemed to mention the oil pump being the cause of it.

I think someone also said something about bottom end "main bearings" wearing, possibly as a side effect of the oil pump?

It definitely seemed to be from the bottom of the engine somewhere I can say that much.I could not hear it wielding a screwdriver to anywhere on the top of the engine. Around the damper pulley area I faintly heard it when it was up in the air one time, further suggesting it was oil pump or "main bearing" wear.

I had every pulley / tensioner replaced except for the alternator and main damper thing. I ran it briefly with the belt off and the noiae was still there too.

There were some references to New Life 0w40 being the cause but I changed to the special Castrol Edge stuff and that didnt help.

I suppose perhaps it could be the timing chain?

I sold the car a long while a go as it was too much trouble in general.

Good luck! If you figure it out Id still love to know what it was.


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