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kevins950 08-27-2012 12:35 PM

Winter Wheel/Tire Set
 
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Decided to get the Enkei Racing PF01 rims (18.2 lbs/35mm offset) with the Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS Pole Position (Ultra High Performance All-Season 28 lbs) tires for this winter (46.2 lbs/wheel). Square 18x8 225/45R18 91W. As this is a regular tire and not a RFT, my plan is to carry a small compressor, slime plug kit, and a jack kit in the trunk to fix flats. I have a compressor and plug kit readily available. I'm somewhat at a loss for a small jack kit that will fit the F30.

Does anyone have any experience/recommendations on where I can find a compact jack kit that will fit the F30 and is reasonably priced?

On another note, I recently saw a 2012 Porsche Carrera S promotional video clip and it had wheels very similar in design to the Enkei Racing PF01. At first, I wasn't too certain how it would look on the bimmer. But after seeing it on the Porsche, I'm now very optimistic that it will enhance the overall sports appeal on the bimmer.

The wheels were delivered with the TPM, tires installed, and balanced. Just waiting for the weather to cool down before making the swap from summer tires.

It will be interesting to check the weight of the OEM wheel/tire combination.

voip-ninja 08-27-2012 12:55 PM

How are you going to deal with the car complaining about the lack of tire pressure monitors on the winter tires/rims?

tturedraider 08-27-2012 01:09 PM

A Japanese car scissors jack works well.

kevins950 08-27-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by voip-ninja (Post 7037317)
How are you going to deal with the car complaining about the lack of tire pressure monitors on the winter tires/rims?

It comes with the TPMS installed. It should work. I hope.

rtgirard 08-27-2012 01:21 PM

I don't want to thread jack, but I have a question and this thread already has the attention of the winter-tire-folk.

My lease will be up at the end of the year and I'll be ordering an F30 335xi in just a couple weeks. I have a set of the 17" Rial Salerno wheels for my E90, but I've noticed that even the base line F30 335s come with 18x8" wheels. Much like how 16"s would not fit on the E9x 335, will 17"s not fit over the calipers on the F30 335?

Am I screwed? Should I be asking if anyone in the E9x forum wants to buy a set of winters?

/edit - I just went to tirerack and looked... the "preferred" tire/wheel package for the 2013 335xi ZSL is 16"???? Really????

voip-ninja 08-27-2012 01:31 PM

Wheel size can change but the overall tire/wheel combination needs to be the same for the speedo to read correctly, odometer to log miles correctly, etc. Generally speaking, with winter tires you want a smaller wheel (larger/taller treadwall on the tire) and want the tire to be skinnier as they will be much more effective in deep snow than large sporty rims with itty bitty tires.

rtgirard 08-27-2012 01:55 PM

My concern is fitting 17" wheels over the calipers. Example: on the E90 335, you could not run 16" wheels. Seeing that the 2013 335 comes with 18's on the base line, I'm concerned that my 17's won't fit over the calipers... i hoping the tirerack suggested packages are correct (i have no reason to believe they aren't, but confirmation would be nice).

Jamesonsviggen 08-27-2012 01:59 PM

I am going with out TPMS for winter. I don't see what the big deal is.

I scored nearly new 17x8 OZ Superleggeras in black for next to nothing. Great wheel, strong and light and the black will be low maintenance. I also scored used 235/45/17 Dunlop Sport M3's. I had them years ago on my Viggen and loved 'em.

rusha 08-27-2012 02:01 PM

Same situation.. Have winter set 17" for my ex E90.. Reading forums looks like they will barely fit F30.. I'm preparing myself for another set of winters for future on order F30 and will try to sell set left from E90

rtgirard 08-27-2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rusha (Post 7037426)
Same situation.. Have winter set 17" for my ex E90.. Reading forums looks like they will barely fit F30.. I'm preparing myself for another set of winters for future on order F30 and will try to sell set left from E90

Yep... that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I'm hoping someone can verify the tirerack sizes as correct.

Orient330iNYC 08-27-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rtgirard (Post 7037415)
My concern is fitting 17" wheels over the calipers. Example: on the E90 335, you could not run 16" wheels. Seeing that the 2013 335 comes with 18's on the base line, I'm concerned that my 17's won't fit over the calipers... i hoping the tirerack suggested packages are correct (i have no reason to believe they aren't, but confirmation would be nice).

rial salernos in ET 30 should fit ok. it shows up as one of the 17" options for winter on the F30,

mikepinkerton 08-27-2012 03:42 PM

TireRack should be able to answer that question if you call them, right?

Elk 08-27-2012 06:32 PM

As I recall, the wheels on the base F30 are 17".

DerekS 08-28-2012 09:20 AM

winter rims/tires
 
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Originally Posted by rtgirard (Post 7037415)
My concern is fitting 17" wheels over the calipers. Example: on the E90 335, you could not run 16" wheels. Seeing that the 2013 335 comes with 18's on the base line, I'm concerned that my 17's won't fit over the calipers... i hoping the tirerack suggested packages are correct (i have no reason to believe they aren't, but confirmation would be nice).

Both BMW USA and BMW Canada are recommending 17" alloy wheels and 17" Pirelli Sottozero II snow tires for their winter packages for the F30-335i. BMW USA is quoting just over $600 per corner for the Pirellis mounted and balanced on BMW Style 413 rims. I paid a similar price for the same package in Canada.

Obviously, you can get a much less expensive package from Tirerack if you want to go with alloys made in China.

DerekS 08-28-2012 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kevins950 (Post 7037269)

Does anyone have any experience/recommendations on where I can find a compact jack kit that will fit the F30 and is reasonably priced?

I have a BMW compact jack kit that I purchased for my previous E9X series; hopefully the jack will fit my future F30-335i. It is an excellent kit that included a wheel bolt socket wrench and a folding tire blocker. I believe the F30 wheel bolts have the same size heads.

You might wish to enquire if this kit is still available from your BMW dealer.

voip-ninja 08-28-2012 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DerekS (Post 7039037)
Both BMW USA and BMW Canada are recommending 17" alloy wheels and 17" Pirelli Sottozero II snow tires for their winter packages for the F30-335i. BMW USA is quoting just over $600 per corner for the Pirellis mounted and balanced on BMW Style 413 rims. I paid a similar price for the same package in Canada.

Obviously, you can get a much less expensive package from Tirerack if you want to go with alloys made in China.

I would imagine that some of the BMW oem wheels are now made in China too.

voip-ninja 08-28-2012 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DerekS (Post 7039078)
I have a BMW compact jack kit that I purchased for my previous E9X series; hopefully the jack will fit my future F30-335i. It is an excellent kit that included a wheel bolt socket wrench and a folding tire blocker. I believe the F30 wheel bolts have the same size heads.

You might wish to enquire if this kit is still available from your BMW dealer.

I don't see why he would need any of it for the first 50K miles, he can call BMW assist and have them help with a flat... assuming he's close to civilization.

As to changing the winter and summer wheels, costco sells really nice floor jacks for like $120. You will for sure want to invest in an air compressor and air wrench (as well as sockets) if you will be doing this a couple of times a year. I could change mine in about 15-25 minutes depending on temperature.

kevins950 08-28-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by voip-ninja (Post 7039107)
I don't see why he would need any of it for the first 50K miles, he can call BMW assist and have them help with a flat... assuming he's close to civilization.

As to changing the winter and summer wheels, costco sells really nice floor jacks for like $120. You will for sure want to invest in an air compressor and air wrench (as well as sockets) if you will be doing this a couple of times a year. I could change mine in about 15-25 minutes depending on temperature.

I'm currently stationed in Germany. BMW assist does not work here. I believe the program is support by BMW USA. However, I do have road side service through my insurance company. I'll certainly use road side service when needed. But if its a simple flat that is easily fixed and I happen to be in a remote location, I'm probably better off just fixing it myself and getting on with it. The time and hassle of towing a car to a service station to fix a simple flat is just more trouble then it's worth. IMHO.

Tried google search for a decent scissor lift. About the only products I could find were cheap chinese made products that are poorly constructed and worthless. Light weight, durable, compact, well designed, and reliable at a reasonable cost. Is that asking too much? Apparently because it doesn't exist. At least I couldn't find any.

Oh, I meant to mention that I'm not looking for a garage jack. I'm looking for an emergency road side tire repair jack that I can keep in the trunk.

rtgirard 08-28-2012 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DerekS (Post 7039037)
Both BMW USA and BMW Canada are recommending 17" alloy wheels and 17" Pirelli Sottozero II snow tires for their winter packages for the F30-335i

Excellent... looks as though i'm in luck as long as the lug bolts i have are the correct length... but at least that's easily (read: cheaply) remedied :thumbup:

DerekS 08-28-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kevins950 (Post 7039144)
Oh, I meant to mention that I'm not looking for a garage jack. I'm looking for an emergency road side tire repair jack that I can keep in the trunk.

The part # for the BMW jack kit is 71.10-6773 536. This kit came with scissor jack, torque wrench with socket for wheel bolts, folding wheel block, gloves, instruction sheet and a carrying case. The case is about 18" long x 4" x 3".

I just checked the underside of a F30 and the jack pads are the same as on the E9X series.

The head of the jack (approx 2.25" x 1.2") must be able to fit into one of the four rectangular boxes that serve as the jack pads. The BMW jack head is designed to provide a non-slip fit once it is inserted into one of the jack pads.

There are lots of remote places, both in Europe and North America, where BMW Assist is either not available or it would take many hours for them to show up. That's why I always carry, when traveling in remote areas, a BMW Mobility kit + jack kit to deal with an unexpected flat that will sometimes occur many hours away from a tire shop.

kevins950 08-28-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DerekS (Post 7039462)
The part # for the BMW jack kit is 71.10-6773 536. This kit came with scissor jack, torque wrench with socket for wheel bolts, folding wheel block, gloves, instruction sheet and a carrying case. The case is about 18" long x 4" x 3".

I just checked the underside of a F30 and the jack pads are the same as on the E9X series.

The head of the jack (approx 2.25" x 1.2") must be able to fit into one of the four rectangular boxes that serve as the jack pads. The BMW jack head is designed to provide a non-slip fit once it is inserted into one of the jack pads.

There are lots of remote places, both in Europe and North America, where BMW Assist is either not available or it would take many hours for them to show up. That's why I always carry, when traveling in remote areas, a BMW Mobility kit + jack kit to deal with an unexpected flat that will sometimes occur many hours away from a tire shop.

Derek,

+1 Perfect. Exactly what I had in mind. Appreciate the tip. Plan on picking one up tomorrow at the local BMW dealership. Price is a little high but I will gladly pay a little more for a good quality product and not have to deal with any buyers remorse from wasting hard earned dollars on a cheap chinese made junk.

Seems I missed your advise the first time around.

Any tips on a good quality air compressor? I wonder if BMW has one.

DerekS 08-28-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kevins950 (Post 7039564)
Derek,
Any tips on a good quality air compressor? I wonder if BMW has one.

Yes, the BMW Mobility kit includes a 12V compressor plus a can of sealant. The sealant has a lifespan of about 2 years. This kit used to be supplied with all M3s; not sure if that is still the case.

kevins950 08-28-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DerekS (Post 7039577)
Yes, the BMW Mobility kit includes a 12V compressor plus a can of sealant. The sealant has a lifespan of about 2 years. This kit used to be supplied with all M3s; not sure if that is still the case.

Euh. Not a big fan of sealants. Concerned about all that muck rolling around inside the tire and plugging up the TPMS. My preference is to plug with slime and air up with a compact compressor.

DerekS 08-28-2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kevins950 (Post 7039583)
Euh. Not a big fan of sealants. Concerned about all that muck rolling around inside the tire and plugging up the TPMS. My preference is to plug with slime and air up with a compact compressor.

I have used this system only once, when I was stuck with a flat tire, some 200 kms south east of Salt Lake City, up in the mountains.
I used the Mobility kit to seal the tire and drive on to the nearest garage, about 200 kms away in Moab. The sealant was easily cleaned out and the valve was not affected. After the shop applied a patch and re-installed the wheel/tire, I was on my way again.

kevins950 10-04-2012 07:55 PM

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Decided to get the A/S wheels on a bit early. Unfortunately didn't take the time to weigh the wheel/tire set. But can definitely feel the difference between the OEM and new wheels.


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