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JeffZX 09-05-2012 07:18 PM

Why the 7-serious gives a poor ride - please read if you are a prospective buyer!
 
As reported in AOL autos for the 7-series (and also applicable to the 3-series whcih I own) and is a serious pain in the neck. I don't know why other reviews do not mention this. I did notice this briefly on the test drive as the drive seemed "tight", but ignored it unfortunately as most of the test drive was at higher speeds where it is not present. I cannot drive this car in stop and go traffic without getting car sick because of the jerking nature of the steptronice transmission:

http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-750-2012/expert-review/

"The gray area of 7 Series satisfaction and performance sits largely in the transmission. The 6-speed automatic seems over-engineered, or at least over-programmed. It insists on doing too many things for the driver, and that's in Normal mode. We're not talking about our usual frequent complaint, that the manual mode isn't very manual; we're talking about a relentless number of automatic downshifts.

Basically, the transmission won't let the car glide. Around town, it almost feels like the emergency brake is on. Back off the throttle, and some program says: The driver wants to slow down. Let's help him! You're going 20 mph and ease off the gas for a red light, intending to coast there, and it downshifts so eagerly that you have to get back on the gas to get to the intersection. It's like the 7 Series is a pickup truck with its transmission in perpetual tow/haul mode. That's great on a race track, but a bit too tense for everyday loafing around.

We had to accelerate to go down our steep hill, because the transmission held the car back so much. Going up a less-steep hill, one-half mile at 25 mph, it downshifted three times and up-shifted twice, all in an effort to keep the car in the optimum gear. It's like the transmission is compelled to use all six of its gears as often as possible. With all that engine torque, it makes no sense. There's plenty of torque in these easy situations to motor along in a lower gear. What's more, the kick-down shifts are often not smooth. Lurch is the word that popped up on our tape recorder, three times.

Out on the highway, this annoyance goes away. It's only poking around town that the 7 Series can be unwilling to glide smoothly."

750Rick 09-07-2012 10:02 AM

This is a known issue and appears to be addressed in the 2013 as a new feature. The big question is can earlier models be programed to allow coasting?

CABimmerNation 09-07-2012 11:03 AM

It's a very easy fix, it's called Lexus.

Individual750LI 09-07-2012 12:07 PM

I am an old die-hard Lexus owner, after having my 7, I would never go back to Lexus unless they have something drives better than BMW.

I would happily trade the little problems here and there on my 7, more money to maintain, and some headaches for a car that has a soul.

But back to the transmission, after driving the new BMWs with ZF 8 speed transmission, our old 6 speed seems so dated and jerky in slow driving. I would upgrade the car just for this reason along if I don't have to lose a lot of money for the trade in.

chrischeung 09-07-2012 01:06 PM

The 8 speed is a little jerky. We need a 10 speed! That's been the norm on bikes since I was born - and bikes are much slower :).

Individual750LI 09-07-2012 01:14 PM

Hyundai is develping a 10 speed for the next gen Genesis.

PREDATOR 007 09-07-2012 02:52 PM

It kinda bothered me in the beginning that the car could not "coast". It reminded me of trucks slowing down using their Jake Brake. That may be spelled right, I don't know. Anyway, it's where trucks use the back pressure of the engine to slow down while going downhill.
Bottom line is that I can live with it and love the car. Just wished it was faster, lol.

750Rick 09-07-2012 03:06 PM

When I first drove the car I thought it had an uncanny ability to know when I wanted to slow down for a pending stop, intersection or turn. Occasionally though, when I wanted the car to actually coast for better gas mileage, it would not do so.

I'm sure this could be addressed with programming, but in the meantime there are two workarounds.

Put the transmission manual using the higher gears, or put the transmission in neutral when you want to coast. Not ideal but less expensive than trading to a 2013.

I would hope that a coasting provision could be programmed in the pre 2013 models, perhaps just within the comfort setting where would make the most sense. I'm not holding my breath though.

ChrisF01 09-08-2012 12:34 AM

I really don't notice it at all, 90% of my driving is freeway - 50 mi round trip, 5-6 days/week. And I often sit in the middle/slow lane because the car is so damned comfortable and getting ~27-30mpg highway is pretty sweet.

I guess this being my first bimmer I just got used to how it drives.:dunno:

750Rick 09-08-2012 08:28 AM

By the way, the title of this thread is a bit extreme don't you think? Poor ride? I don't think so...

mcorf 09-08-2012 08:57 AM

I drive 35% city and 65% highway and absolutely love my car ! Have owned VW,Audi,Cadillac,Lexus,MB and wouldn't trade it for any of them !

dunderhi 09-08-2012 10:23 AM

The OP made a similar inflamatory thread in the E9x forum. He wants to warn everyone to stay away from BMWs. :rolleyes:

king0fspades 09-08-2012 01:49 PM

My car drives fine. Prospective buyers please do not hesitate to buy.

Wolfman64 09-09-2012 07:02 AM

I don't notice anything like that when driving in comfort mode; only in sport mode and that's where I actually prefer the downshifts.

The AOL reports sounds like a look of whining to me which seems to be quite common in US automotive magazines these days about anything related to BMW.

Wolfman

Deutsch100 09-09-2012 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Individual750LI (Post 7059872)
I am an old die-hard Lexus owner, after having my 7, I would never go back to Lexus unless they have something drives better than BMW.

I would happily trade the little problems here and there on my 7, more money to maintain, and some headaches for a car that has a soul.

But back to the transmission, after driving the new BMWs with ZF 8 speed transmission, our old 6 speed seems so dated and jerky in slow driving. I would upgrade the car just for this reason along if I don't have to lose a lot of money for the trade in.

I had the 2010 750i with the "old" 6-speed transmission. I actually never found it jerky, slow or "bad". BUT...after now having my 2012 7 Series for almost 4 months....the 8-speed transmission is light years better. And knowing, it is the same transmission in the Rolls Royce makes me even happier. After having the Rolls Royce loaner for 4 full days, and driving it back to back with my '12 AH7...they are both the smoothest, most amazing driving big cars!!

csa 09-09-2012 09:33 AM

I noticed this thread yesterday and tried to test what the alleged claim is all about when I ran out to do some errands today. After driving around for a couple of hours in the city, I still have no idea how this supposed downshifting/jerking was supposed to affect how smooth my 7 coasts. As one of the earlier posters mentioned, maybe it's because I was in Comfort mode or that it has adapted more properly to my driving. The only time I notice a slight jerk is when I coast at lower speeds and the car engages "Efficient Dynamics." My point is that, in the grand scheme of things, the 7 is a spectacular car and compensates many times over even if we assume these little knits were true.

I used to own a Lexus and it is true that there is little to complain about them. Those darn things are really well built. However, after switching to the 7, there is a distinct difference in driving performance. Essentially, you can almost get the smooth ride but you get much more performance when you want to.

750Rick 09-09-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by csa (Post 7063049)
However, after switching to the 7, there is a distinct difference in driving performance. Essentially, you can almost get the smooth ride but you get much more performance when you want to.


Very True.

NoI4plz 09-09-2012 10:48 AM

Sorry for the read
 
At the op, this does see, to be the case with most recent BMWs I've driven (x3.x5). My Two dd Toyota (glides) Nissan (glides but exhibits some symptoms of what your talking about).

I don't think personally I'd be frustrated as its actually beneficial to me and the brakes. Plus i think this characteriscs is kind of linked to the way BMW designs their cars (ultimated d machine). However that said, if I was paying For a flagship sedan, I would want it to adapt to my preferences rather then the other way around, and in this case want a switch/preference that makes the car a bit more relaxed and subdued to maintain the highest level of comfort. Hopefully BMW will be able to offer that thru a future update for all pre-LCi cars.

In terms of the review, I don't think this terrible, actually it's truthful and I respect that since its one particular perspective. However I do agree with wolfram that there seems to be a bashing of BMW, but I think it has to do with what the rest of the luxury market has been coming out with vs BMW and the current downfall of drivers interest in everything but traditional performance. Traditionally BMW listened to noises made by handling and performance, however it seems that with new crop of vehicles BMW has made it a point to expand their target demo, from those who desire the ultimate driving to those who want a car, which drives in line with the BMW ideology but Also doesn't become a bother to that person who simply wants to feel comfortable in their high end automobile without having to take off ramps at 50 mph. BMW has had success with this strategy with their current numbers.

In addition reviewers are constantly reviewing new luxury vehicles which are constantly being upgraded to feel like a day at the spa, relaxed, tad bit unenthusiastic and if you want can be optioned with some sport trim and maybe some active roll stabilization (programmed for comfort).


These two factors combined have been throwing reviewers to figure out and test the BMW on a different scale. End result is this where reviewers are like WTF, this isn't the BMW we are used too and what other competitors are dishing out.

filmoreslim 09-09-2012 11:37 AM

I live in San Francisco and yesterday signed a lease for a 2013 F02 so it remains to be seen how that car will perform on hills, however, I literally noticed this AM that my wife's F30's hill decent/traction control downshifts or slows the wheels going downhill except when the car is in Eco Pro mode, then it coasts downhill.

Wolfman64 09-09-2012 12:45 PM

I think the US automotive press is idiotic in their reviews. I just read the Car & Driver where they tested a new M6 convertible against a Camaro and the Camaro won :rofl:

Even though the BMW did everything better, the Camaro was less than half the price so it won. What a joke... Luxury brands will always be more expensive. Different audience...

While I admire the US auto industry to finally put out cars that can be measured internationally and hold their own, they still have along way to go in the luxury segment or (in my opinion) design that can stand the test of time.

German cars in my view simply age much more gracefully. Regarding overburdening electronics in a car, that is in part the expanding customer demographic as much as new safety rules and regulations...

Wolfman

Sonic Boom 09-09-2012 01:33 PM

I always assumed the slowing down/pulling back was due to the Efficient Dynamics Brake Regeneration System. I notice when the car is about to coast the blue curved bar at the bottom of the RPM gauge increases; at which point the car begins to pull back/slow down instead of coasting. It bothered me but now I have (hesitantly) gotten used to it.

Cdnrockies 09-09-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dunderhi (Post 7061491)
The OP made a similar inflamatory thread in the E9x forum. He wants to warn everyone to stay away from BMWs. :rolleyes:

This.

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you don't like it, don't buy it...problem solved. :dunno:

dseag2 10-21-2012 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Individual750LI (Post 7059872)
I am an old die-hard Lexus owner, after having my 7, I would never go back to Lexus unless they have something drives better than BMW.

You may want to check out the LS F-Sport when it arrives next month.

Epiplatys 10-21-2012 10:45 PM

Yes, the 2012 6-speed transmission is indeed a bit slow and hesitates noticeably. No bid deal really, a little annoying that's all. Yes, transmission on the LS is better. Handling overall is not. So it is all compromise one way or another.

Deutsch100 10-22-2012 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epiplatys (Post 7149590)
Yes, the 2012 6-speed transmission is indeed a bit slow and hesitates noticeably. No bid deal really, a little annoying that's all. Yes, transmission on the LS is better. Handling overall is not. So it is all compromise one way or another.

2012 has the awesome 8 speed, butter smooth transmission!


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