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bruno787 09-28-2012 04:33 AM

thinking (again) of trading my 7 for a 6grancoupe
 
im thinking again of trading in my 740Li for a 640i grancoupe

looking forward to a good deal....otherwise ill stick with my 7.

Leslierc 09-28-2012 05:08 AM

Good luck with that! At the time I got my Pana I was also thinking about the GC; however, I was interested in the 650i version. I'm very happy with the Porsche, but still regard the GC as a unique and beautiful vehicle.

f01driver 09-28-2012 05:13 AM

I'm looking to do the same but my dealer said all the incoming gran coupes are pre-sold and told me I'm better off sticking with my 7 until early next year when the new navigation gets fitted in the gran coupe.

bruno787 09-28-2012 05:20 AM

i always wanted a Panamera, but the Porsche dealer wouldnt budge :( btw, is the panamera, wider, longer than a 6GC?
navigation is non issue for me since factory nav is disabled where i live

Deutsch100 09-28-2012 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bruno787 (Post 7101441)
i always wanted a Panamera, but the Porsche dealer wouldnt budge :( btw, is the panamera, wider, longer than a 6GC?
navigation is non issue for me since factory nav is disabled where i live

Factory Nav is disabled in ALL cars? I have to ask why???

bruno787 09-28-2012 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Deutsch100 (Post 7101551)
Factory Nav is disabled in ALL cars? I have to ask why???

in the Philippines, luxury brands...Audi, Bmw, Benz, Lexus, Maserati etc... all do not have Navigation (maybe there are no maps?) however mass brands.....Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi etc.... have Navigation as standard in their top variants :)

weird isnt it?

chrischeung 09-28-2012 07:48 AM

I wonder if it is a matter of volume. Meaning the cost and effort to enable and test it is not justified by the sales volume.

The most expensive car in the world, the Bugatti Veyron, doesn't even have Nav for that reason. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e/viewall.html

"There is no navigation in the $2.6-million Super Sport, not even as an option. In a surprising moment of candor, Bugatti flacks admitted that adding a navigation system worthy of the Veyron would be cost prohibitive for such a low-volume vehicle. They recommend units from a Garmin or TomTom and will even install a custom bracket to eliminate any dangling wires. Seriously? Yup."

Leslierc 09-28-2012 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bruno787 (Post 7101441)
btw, is the panamera, wider, longer than a 6GC?

I have yet to see the GC "in the flesh" so to speak. However, I can tell you that the Pana is considerably lower than the 7 and, at least to me, definitely feels like it is lower than any car I've owned...and that includes three 6 Series cars. Based on how it fits in my garage, I would say that the Pana is probably about the same length as the 6 and perhaps a tad wider.

AdamG13 09-28-2012 01:22 PM

I've only seen one GC and it was in the opposite lane, but it looked a little smaller than the Pan to me - at least in road presence. I'm not sure I would have even noticed it had they not gotten the full LED option (that's the only way I noticed a '13 7 series as well, on the same block!). I like the big round look of the panamera.

bruno787 09-28-2012 03:22 PM

as much as i would want to trade for a panamera or a 6GC now, its not that easy here as the market for used luxury cars is very low unless you trade/sell at a give away price and lose tens of thousands of dollars.....those who cant afford a new 7 would most likely buy a new 5 than a preowned 7. thats the problem :(

i have offered to trade for a Panamera GTS, CLS63, 640GC, and M5....but the sales agents frankly told me to just sell it privately since their trade-in valuation is too low to even mention to me. There is just no market for a used luxury model.

PREDATOR 007 09-29-2012 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bruno787 (Post 7101611)
in the Philippines, luxury brands...Audi, Bmw, Benz, Lexus, Maserati etc... all do not have Navigation (maybe there are no maps?) however mass brands.....Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi etc.... have Navigation as standard in their top variants :)

weird isnt it?

If the Toyota’s have Navigation then the Lexus should also, as they are the same. That does not make much sense.

Deutsch100 09-29-2012 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard109 (Post 7103338)
If the Toyota’s have Navigation then the Lexus should also, as they are the same. That does not make much sense.

Yeah, PLEASE explain to us living in the USA or Europe...why LUXURY brands do NOT have naviagtion systems in the Philiipines, but entry level brands do. This just needs an explanation...since all other markets have basically standard navigation now in luxury models. Thank!!:thumbup:

NickyBlack 09-29-2012 04:26 PM

great looking car....i'm thinking M6 GC

bruno787 09-30-2012 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Deutsch100 (Post 7103427)
Yeah, PLEASE explain to us living in the USA or Europe...why LUXURY brands do NOT have naviagtion systems in the Philiipines, but entry level brands do. This just needs an explanation...since all other markets have basically standard navigation now in luxury models. Thank!!:thumbup:

Well thats also my question. But the volume aspect is prolly the best reason, luxury car makers dont sell enough for them to develop maps for their cars.

AdamG13 10-03-2012 05:26 PM

Someone in my building just got a 6GC in that flat gold color with a white interior. That flat gold paint is pretty cool looking, but I think it would look better with a black interior.

yamanote 10-04-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard109 (Post 7103338)
If the Toyota’s have Navigation then the Lexus should also, as they are the same. That does not make much sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deutsch100 (Post 7103427)
Yeah, PLEASE explain to us living in the USA or Europe...why LUXURY brands do NOT have naviagtion systems in the Philiipines, but entry level brands do. This just needs an explanation...since all other markets have basically standard navigation now in luxury models. Thank!!:thumbup:

I suspect the reason is similar to the reason why luxury brands only got factory navigation as an option in recent years in Hong Kong (for example, my 2008 M5 was not offered with navigation- probably one of very few M5s built with the M-ASK system!)- the Toyotas, Hondas etc that I've seen fitted with 'factory' navigation have nothing more than an aftermarket headunit installed by the local distributor. Those headunits are specifically selected to be compatible with maps by local mapping companies like MapKing, and have absolutely nothing to do with the truly factory fitted navigation systems you see offered in the US on these cars.

Obviously, adapting those maps to work with the factory navigation systems in a Lexus or BMW would be a lot more difficult since they use a completely different format. Shoehorning an aftermarket HU into a BMW or Merc would be damn near impossible given the way iDrive/COMAND/MMI/etc tie into the car's other systems, plus it would look hideously out of place- it's not like they have a standard double DIN slot like Corollas do.

Luckily (in HK at least) Navteq have come in and done their own mapping- did the CIC retrofit and am happy for now. One less reason to upgrade to the F10 ;)

PREDATOR 007 10-05-2012 02:54 PM

I have a Toyota and Lexus, the navigations are identical.

yamanote 10-05-2012 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard109 (Post 7116280)
I have a Toyota and Lexus, the navigations are identical.

Yes, I understand that. That isn't the case for most SEA markets though, where the cars are usually shipped without a head unit at all and are only fitted with the aftermarket unit by the dealer. Their nav systems have nothing to do with the Denso system you see fitted to Toyotas in the US and oter countries.

ngraz617 10-23-2012 03:02 PM

THE 640 GC comes out in x drive in the spring, wait.

bruno787 10-25-2012 04:48 PM

i only have summer and rainy season here, no need for Xdrive :)

nextweek ill know if bmw will be able to fix my 7 or not, from there, ill be negotiating for another 7 or a 6GC.

E92-Lighting 10-29-2012 12:09 PM

keep the 7!

BMR2009 10-29-2012 01:33 PM

Hi Bruno, how are you? I was excited about the new 6 until I sat in it--zero leg room for the back passengers, and a much more confined driving area. Further, the rear passengers have little headroom and no leg room. I am 6'3'', so the car made no sense at all for me. If you are below 5'10'', it may work. And even then, you better have very small passengers, if any.

Maybe next year they'll have the digital display on the 7 to give me some incentive to make a move. Otherwise, it's not worth it, yet.

bruno787 10-29-2012 02:45 PM

Hi BMR2009, i havent seen the GC in person. So is it tighter inside than a Panamera?

Im taking re-delivery of my 7 today after 2 months in the shop. Fingers crossed everything is sorted and plans for a GC is gone for now. With Bmw Philippines' poor after sales service, i might be going back to Mercedes this 2013 when the new S-Class comes out :)

My 7 might be my last Bmw (not bcoz its bad) but bcoz Bmw Philippines has a very poor service department.

AdamG13 10-29-2012 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BMR2009 (Post 7164577)
Hi Bruno, how are you? I was excited about the new 6 until I sat in it--zero leg room for the back passengers, and a much more confined driving area. Further, the rear passengers have little headroom and no leg room. I am 6'3'', so the car made no sense at all for me. If you are below 5'10'', it may work. And even then, you better have very small passengers, if any.

Maybe next year they'll have the digital display on the 7 to give me some incentive to make a move. Otherwise, it's not worth it, yet.

Sounds like the CLS. I think all of those 4 door coupes really take a hit when it comes to head room. On long rides that lack of head room can really make you feel claustrophobic

BMR2009 10-29-2012 03:41 PM

Not many will admit it, but the engineers that design thess cars are light years ahead of the mechanics that have to fix them, and that's not just BMW either unfortunately.

However, I can tell you when things start going south on your car, more often than not, it's time to cut it loose. My last 7 was great until a seat sensor went out, which created a replacement program of just about every component in my car--it was a nightmare. And yes, I got rid of it as soon as it came back from the shop, after six weeks total. It was a "Franken-bimmer".

The 6 is absolutely a smaller car, much smaller than my 7. That said, you need to sit in the car. I could never drive that car--way small for me. I do like it though.

Hi Adam,

I agree; I can never go smaller unless I go convertible. I need headroom for my big head.


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