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NoGuts 10-01-2012 01:12 PM

Brake Pads
 
Just trying to get some consensuses...

Which brake pads / price / where did you get from?


I'm staring at these:
Axxis/PBR Metal Master Brake Pads - Front ~ $59.95
and
Axxis/PBR Metal Master Brake Pads - Rear ~ $44.95

Yay? Nay?

john@eac 10-01-2012 01:21 PM

I don't know much about those but the AKEBONO is a real good pad and I like the Hawks however we don't sell anything that cheap . Take a look if you would like.

http://www.eaceuroparts.com/parts/pa...ge/31/2005/308

SJBimmer 10-01-2012 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoGuts (Post 7107031)
Just trying to get some consensuses...

Which brake pads / price / where did you get from?


I'm staring at these:
Axxis/PBR Metal Master Brake Pads - Front ~ $59.95
and
Axxis/PBR Metal Master Brake Pads - Rear ~ $44.95

Yay? Nay?

Pagid if you want OEM stopping power, and Akebono if you want less and lighter colored dust, with less initial bite. I like the OEM pads because of the feel. Washing wheels twice a week during the summer is the only downside. Remember, sometimes accidents are avoided by inches, and with OEM pads I can lock em up at 60 with no problem. If you track the car, ceramic might be the better option.

http://www.oembimmerparts.com/category_s/1910.htm

GoForthFast 10-01-2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoGuts (Post 7107031)
Just trying to get some consensuses...

Which brake pads / price / where did you get from?


I'm staring at these:
Axxis/PBR Metal Master Brake Pads - Front ~ $59.95
and
Axxis/PBR Metal Master Brake Pads - Rear ~ $44.95

Yay? Nay?

Have exactly what you have and got 'em from Turner.
Love them for 50K miles so far.
Stop from cold like you were committing murder.
Leave wheels much cleaner than BMW pads.

Here's the review I wrote about them five years ago when I installed them:

Axxis MM brake pads
Recently the question of these pads and cold stops came up and so I decided when I was out testing my Koniís that my pads had been completely broken in, enough to not have to baby them any longer.
A few times at about sixty mph, I gave the brakes just short of full panic stop pressure. I had never used them that severely before, and was astounded what g force this car is capable of with the large rotors, large soft tire patch, and quality pads. The first stop was completely cold and solidly as safe as you would ever need. Iím used to considering my e46 as a thing of beauty, but this stopping power is brutal.

Bilstein 10-02-2012 11:18 AM

I have them as well, although I disagree with GoForthFast regarding the cold stopping torque. I find there's a second to two before there's enough heat generated to get them to START to bite hard - this is the case with all semi metallic pads as well as with full on ceramic. You're trading the initial bite of the organic OEM pads for less brake dust and more fade resistance under repeated hard breaking maneuvers. It'll be enough to get you to pucker up during an emergency stop first thing in the morning.

QAfred 10-02-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJBimmer (Post 7107528)
Pagid if you want OEM stopping power, and Akebono if you want less and lighter colored dust, with less initial bite. I like the OEM pads because of the feel. Washing wheels twice a week during the summer is the only downside. Remember, sometimes accidents are avoided by inches, and with OEM pads I can lock em up at 60 with no problem. If you track the car, ceramic might be the better option.

http://www.oembimmerparts.com/category_s/1910.htm

I like OEM stopping power too...so I put on TEXSTAR pads-since that was the OEM pads I took off with Zimmerman rotors and I feel I lost stopping power on my 330ci. Only have about 80 miles on them but I am a little dissappointed so far- maybe the Texstar state side compound is not the same? or is it the Zimmerman rotors? not sure and have not had them long enough to see if they make OEM brake dust and if braking improves.

I put EBC pads with Brembo rotors on my wifes 323i and felt no difference from OEM stopping power.

Not sure yet, but hoping I did not make a mistake with what I thought were OEM Texstar pads with better than OEM rotors?

Fast Bob 10-02-2012 06:15 PM

Also a big fan of Pagid (OEM type) pads, they bite like Godzilla whether cold, hot, or whatever, giving me total confidence in them, which overrides their only downside, which is that they dust more than average.

scarede46er 10-02-2012 11:03 PM

I installed Wagner cross slotted discs and ceramic quick stop pads on all 4 wheels. Love the OEM feel and soundless stopping power.

SJBimmer 10-03-2012 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QAfred (Post 7109759)
I like OEM stopping power too...so I put on TEXSTAR pads-since that was the OEM pads I took off with Zimmerman rotors and I feel I lost stopping power on my 330ci. Only have about 80 miles on them but I am a little dissappointed so far- maybe the Texstar state side compound is not the same? or is it the Zimmerman rotors? not sure and have not had them long enough to see if they make OEM brake dust and if braking improves.

I put EBC pads with Brembo rotors on my wifes 323i and felt no difference from OEM stopping power.

Not sure yet, but hoping I did not make a mistake with what I thought were OEM Texstar pads with better than OEM rotors?

Sometimes it takes a while for the thin film of braking material to be deposited onto the rotor that's needed for maximum stopping power. Give it about another 200 miles and you should be fine. Find a safe spot and heat um up a little!!

Fishful Thinking 10-03-2012 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Bob (Post 7109817)
Also a big fan of Pagid (OEM type) pads, they bite like Godzilla whether cold, hot, or whatever, giving me total confidence in them, which overrides their only downside, which is that they dust more than average.

But do they dust more, less, or equal to OEM?

And which Pagids? Red, blue?

I, too am searching for the holy grail: Pads with good initial cold bite yet less dust than OEM.

GoForthFast 10-04-2012 09:37 AM

It's all a compromise between the two. Can't make both ideal.

Fast Bob 10-04-2012 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fishful Thinking (Post 7111436)
But do they dust more, less, or equal to OEM?

And which Pagids? Red, blue?

I, too am searching for the holy grail: Pads with good initial cold bite yet less dust than OEM.

Pagid *IS* OEM (BMW sources their pads from several suppliers). I`ve never tried the Reds myself, but have heard that they`re not too different from the regular pads. It`s a fairly personal thing, kinda like having a favorite pair of shoes....they`re good for *you*, but maybe not everybody else....

scarede46er 10-04-2012 09:47 AM

try a combination of Wagner cross slotted rotors and quiet stop ceramics. I really like the way they perform. ABSOLUTELY soundless. Great grip even in the mornings, and a little brake dust.

Fast Bob 10-04-2012 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarede46er (Post 7113353)
try a combination of Wagner cross slotted rotors and quiet stop ceramics. I really like the way they perform. ABSOLUTELY soundless. Great grip even in the mornings, and a little brake dust.

Good to know....where did you purchase them, and what was the cost ?

scarede46er 10-04-2012 09:59 AM

I think the discs run at about 60 each. You can get them for cheaper at RockAuto.com, but their shipping costs are high, so it works out to be the same. The pads are about 40 bucks. The best thing to do is to combine other auto parts you need and order from rockauto. Else you can search on amazon.com. If you need the part numbers, let me know. I can look them up for you

Fast Bob 10-04-2012 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarede46er (Post 7113385)
I think the discs run at about 60 each. You can get them for cheaper at RockAuto.com, but their shipping costs are high, so it works out to be the same. The pads are about 40 bucks. The best thing to do is to combine other auto parts you need and order from rockauto. Else you can search on amazon.com. If you need the part numbers, let me know. I can look them up for you

That`s a very competitive price. Do you know if those rotors come with an anti-corrosive coating ? Rusty rotor hats are nasty-looking....while it *is* possible to spray them with VHT paint, it`s a lot easier to just mount some coated ones.

NoGuts 10-05-2012 12:43 PM

So I ended up with these.

Axxis Deluxe Advanced Ceramic Brake Pads


So now more questions. Where are the brake sensors? is it only 1 front and 1 back? do I really need them?


Story: the reason I started looking into the brakes is because a few days ago, I stopped at the stop like, and suddenly see the /!\ and (O) warning lights, once. I turned off the engine, then turn it back on, they went away. Plus my baby is @ 40k miles, figure it might be time. Am I wrong? preventive, or wait till the light actually light up then install?

Fast Bob 10-05-2012 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoGuts (Post 7116043)
So I ended up with these.

Axxis Deluxe Advanced Ceramic Brake Pads


So now more questions. Where are the brake sensors? is it only 1 front and 1 back? do I really need them?


Story: the reason I started looking into the brakes is because a few days ago, I stopped at the stop like, and suddenly see the /!\ and (O) warning lights, once. I turned off the engine, then turn it back on, they went away. Plus my baby is @ 40k miles, figure it might be time. Am I wrong? preventive, or wait till the light actually light up then install?

Yes, there are 2 sensors (1 front, 1 rear), and they only need replacing if they have been tripped.

Look in the owner`s manual to see what all the various dashboard icons mean.

Gustavoerod 10-05-2012 02:34 PM

I bought my sensor at auto zone for $19 and worked like a champ, warning light stayed off after I reseted it; just buy it is cheap anyways.

Fast Bob 10-05-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustavoerod (Post 7116237)
I bought my sensor at auto zone for $19 and worked like a champ, warning light stayed off after I reseted it; just buy it is cheap anyways.

Absolutely no need to go through that if it was never tripped.

joethai 10-05-2012 03:17 PM

pads
 
http://www.autohausaz.com/

Bosch QuietCast pads. Zimmerman rooters (vented) free shipping over $50.00
super cheap. Brakes work well no noise. Didn't even need anti squeak goup. Did my front brakes. Now doing my rears but using autozone gold pads and rotors.

Gustavoerod 10-05-2012 06:07 PM

The best thing about the gold pads from auto zone is that they have a lifetime warranty, which means that you can do your brakes free of charge. :)

av98 10-05-2012 08:28 PM

Porterfield R4S- OEM bite, higher thermal resistance, minimal dust, only downside is cost as much as OEM.

roverT 10-06-2012 03:06 PM

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3286/img6526n.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/3571/img6527v.jpg

I've loved these so far. I've used them for a year now and they stop great in the cold and they go further when pushed to the limit vs OEM. I can get my rotors glowing red hot (literally) when the sun is down and the car still stops without any feelings of fade. Braking does sound louder when the rotors are that hot though but OEM could never accept that high heat abuse. I guess it's not an issue if you don't track. One thing you will miss is that initial snot launching bite at the start. If you really need to stop like that, then hit the brakes hard and go into ABS immediately. Being a driver who likes a linear feel, OEM pads are really too grabby at the start so it makes it harder to modulate smoothness. It's like reverse turbo lag for braking! LOL.


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