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sparrky 11-26-2012 04:53 PM

2013 - X5 Engine Malfunction message!
 
Last week, started my 2013 X5 after sitting over night in the garage and drive for about 10 minutes through some rolling country hills into very light city traffic. Weather was sunny and mid 50's, vehicle started and ran fine.

Stopped at two traffic lights, no problems. At the third light, upon starting off the x5 backfired, error message banner on the display screen, the yellow "engine malfunction - running on reduced power" message. Immediate rough running engine, like it was onrunning three cylinders. Idling rough, could only drive 20-30 mph to pull off the road in a safe area.

Stopped and called dealer/svc ctr, they asked if it was a red or yellow message. Being yellow they asked if I could restart it and drive it to their service ctr.

After restart, it was running a little better, so I headed to the dealer. Seemed okay for the couple mile drive.

At the dealer, they said they'd hook it up to the computer and get back to me. After a few hours, they called and said mulitple cylinder failure error messages, they'll need to keep it for a few days so it could completely cool off and they'd get back to after a few more tests.

A few days later, dealder informed me that they would be trying to replace a few of the injectors to see if that was the issue.

Anyone else have issues like this with a 2013 X5 (have had it since June, with only 7,000 miles)?

ard 11-26-2012 05:30 PM

You MUST get the actual fault codes...should be 4 alphanumeric characters, like 4D23 or 4EA2.... this will avoid the potential for confusion between what is really occuring and what the tech tells the service advisor and what HE tells youi.

It also give you data you need to keep track of what failures occur over time, should this become chronic.... there are many, many things that will cause this warning, and those symptoms- without precise codes we are wildly guessing.

A

sparrky 11-26-2012 05:43 PM

Thanks!

How do you get the fault codes?

henrycyao 11-26-2012 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparrky (Post 7215631)
Thanks!

How do you get the fault codes?

Call your service adviser and ask for the code.

ard 11-26-2012 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henrycyao (Post 7215981)
Call your service adviser and ask for the code.

Correct.

In the future make sure that the Repair Order they type up and have you sign actually explicitly states that they are to read, record and report the codes to you.

sparrky 11-28-2012 03:20 PM

So here's the update.

Got the vehicle back, seems to be running okay.

The faults codes indicated that cylinders 4 and 5 had misfires, with fuel injection being deactiviated for each.

The fix was to replace four of the injectors with updated BMW injectors. It was noted that they had seen this a couple of times with newer model X5's and changing injectors seemed to fix it. They noted that they were going to only change two, but moved the misfiring ones to other cylinders to test, so they decided to change four of them, once they took two others out.

Any one else have this issue?

Any one care to comment on how serious this is or if there may be a potential for it to happen again? (I'm not a mechanic so I really don't know)

Thanks

ard 11-28-2012 04:56 PM

It always troubles you when the experts are kinda guessing... 'we see this before and changing injectors helps'... I assume that the dealer was talking with BMWNA/PUMA and got approval/instructions from them. Which means that the experiences of others are helping with your car.

I'd have liked them to replace all injectors- if there was a mfg issue, I want a new lot of matched injectors... too late for that, but keep it in mind if there are more misfires.

This CAN be serious, if an injector fails and fills a cylinder with fuel. But that is why it has a 'deactivate' function I am guessing.

In terms of 'will something else happen' or 'did they get it right', just give it time. I expect that it will act up soon if issues remain.

A

sparrky 11-28-2012 05:13 PM

Thanks so much for your comments, very much appreciated!

canuck_x5 11-28-2012 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ard (Post 7216113)
correct.

In the future make sure that the repair order they type up and have you sign actually explicitly states that they are to read, record and report the codes to you.

+1 Excellent advise, and exactly what I have asked my dealer to do :)

pa50i 11-30-2012 12:13 PM

Guys, this is obviously a recurring issue for multiple owners with the low power warning.

I've replied here about my run ins with this issue this year on my '11 X5 50i.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=627863&page=2

Over on Xoutpost, an X5M owner has had similar issues with an M, which I had been wondering about if it was only the 50i or also the 35i and M.
http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...-used-x5m.html

It's obvious to my dealer that they have no idea why this happens each time I've had it in. Regardless, I'm contacting BMW directly since they have been very responsive to some prior communication.

ard 11-30-2012 06:57 PM

You DO understand this this is one of the TWO possible failures when a fault occurs affecting engine fuel management, right?

If a fault causes rich running, all you get is a CEL. But if a fault may result in dangerously lean AFRs, the DME automactically protects the motor by running in the 'reduced power mode'.

To YOU, you think "ah ha, its that ONE failure- now happening across all these cars"

It reminds me of how prehistoric tribes would try to attribute cause and effect by what they could see....deamons, spirits, etc.

pa50i 11-30-2012 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ard (Post 7224226)
You DO understand this this is one of the TWO possible failures when a fault occurs affecting engine fuel management, right?

If a fault causes rich running, all you get is a CEL. But if a fault may result in dangerously lean AFRs, the DME automactically protects the motor by running in the 'reduced power mode'.

To YOU, you think "ah ha, its that ONE failure- now happening across all these cars"

It reminds me of how prehistoric tribes would try to attribute cause and effect by what they could see....deamons, spirits, etc.

Your check caps lock light is on...again.

sparrky 01-05-2013 10:15 AM

Well it's back.

Happened to me again this morning. "engine malfunction, running on reduced power". After I pulled over and turned it off, then back on it seemed to run okay to get me a few miles home. Will bring it in to BMW next week for a look. It's only been since the end of Nov, the last time it happened.

ard 01-05-2013 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pa50i (Post 7223582)
. Regardless, I'm contacting BMW directly since they have been very responsive to some prior communication.

So how'd that work out for you???? Them being all responsive and whatnot...


Quote:

Originally Posted by sparrky (Post 7291878)
Well it's back.

Happened to me again this morning. "engine malfunction, running on reduced power". After I pulled over and turned it off, then back on it seemed to run okay to get me a few miles home. Will bring it in to BMW next week for a look. It's only been since the end of Nov, the last time it happened.

Let us know what they say.

And remember, that work order that they type up and you sign will be the ONLY documents you have to press issues with BMW. Make sure it says what YOU want before you sign it.

GL

A

sparrky 01-09-2013 06:40 PM

So it was in the shop for two days. It was indicated that no error messages showed in the logs. so they did some testing and found that they should change a plug and a coil. Which, as they noted was surprising for a car with less than 10,000 miles.

Kind of made me feel like I was making up the whole incident, just so I could leave the car at their garage and drive a crappy loaner for two days.

Upon picking it up, as I accelerated to leave the parking lot, "engine malfunction, enginge at reduced power" message, sputtering enging, can only drive 20 miles per hour. So I turn around and drive back into the garage, everyone is so surprised that it happened.

Third time in the garage for this issue.

ard 01-09-2013 09:04 PM

Did you force them to open a NEW work order when you came back in? If you didnt, that let them off the lemon hook....

Really very sorry to hear. If you want some real detailed help, the codes will be essential. Sometimes the code points to a bad part.... but in the case that you have (for example) issues with fuel pressure regulation that trip a misfire in a cylinder, they will see the cyl XX misfire code- and replace that injector or that sparkplug...but the root cause was something else that just happened to trip a code for that cyl. Of course the BMW dealer ought to have a good master tech to really do a more complete troubleshooting. My perception over the years is that 80% of the time these 'trouble cars' are really 'troubled dealers' or bad service and diagnostics...and not wholely BMWNA. A good shop would nail it on the first or second visit, but bad shops misdiagnose, they lie, they obscure, they spin... treat the owner as the enemy. But I guess in the end BMW is culpable- they built the car, they trained the techs, they define how dealers may manage service visits.... the buck does stop...

well, anyway, hope you make some headway. I'd tell them that you want a PUMA case launched if this was not done. (Google it or search here)...if it WAS PUMAd already, you task is to escalate the pressure/incentive on them to pay attention. Dont be irrational, but be demanding.

GL

A

kcbimmer86 01-10-2013 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparrky (Post 7219703)
So here's the update.

Got the vehicle back, seems to be running okay.

The faults codes indicated that cylinders 4 and 5 had misfires, with fuel injection being deactiviated for each.

The fix was to replace four of the injectors with updated BMW injectors. It was noted that they had seen this a couple of times with newer model X5's and changing injectors seemed to fix it. They noted that they were going to only change two, but moved the misfiring ones to other cylinders to test, so they decided to change four of them, once they took two others out.

Any one else have this issue?

Any one care to comment on how serious this is or if there may be a potential for it to happen again? (I'm not a mechanic so I really don't know)

Thanks

OP, I happened to my 2012 X5. The replaced the injector and spark plug for one of the cylinders. After that, the car was idling sporadically from time to time. For example, you start the car and the RPM is around 1300 then drop to around 500 where you feel like the car is going to stall. This was an intermittent problem and every time it occured I brought it into the shop. They did not find any codes related to the rough idling.

But the first time it happened when they had to replace the injector, my car was in the shop for 27 days. Then i brought it in everytime the rough idling thing happened. The 2012 was eventually lemoned.



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sparrky 01-10-2013 07:25 AM

Thank you all for the responses. Much appreciated.

russ8128 01-10-2013 01:56 PM

Take a look at my 2011 Stalling Thread
 
Sorry to hear about your problems. I just got my 2011 back after nearly 3 weeks in the shop. Same kind of problems but for me the replaced the DME (basically the car's computer). So far (2 days) it has been ok but I am leary...

sparrky 01-10-2013 04:15 PM

New work order was opened. No word yet on it today.

sparrky 01-15-2013 03:55 AM

Got it back on Friday. They replaced the remaining 5 plugs and road tested it.

Not sure it can be explained or that the root cause has been found.

Seemed okay the last couple of days.

Oh, they also did a map upgrade.

Will keep you posted.

Thanks all for reading and your comments.

bxmxwx 01-15-2013 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparrky (Post 7314266)
Got it back on Friday. They replaced the remaining 5 plugs and road tested it.

Not sure it can be explained or that the root cause has been found.

Seemed okay the last couple of days.

Oh, they also did a map upgrade.

Will keep you posted.

Thanks all for reading and your comments.

I had exactly the same symptomps and behaviour and was actually doing repairs 3 times. For the 3rd time they replaced all the injectors and coils and the problem never reocurred (at least so far). Before I could reproduce it in a few minutes. Like ard says we do not know if the cause is the same, but all the symptoms are - so there is a good chance BMW is learning how to fix this. For example, they started replacing injectors and coils right away on your car while on mine it took a while and they had to open a PUMA case to do it. Obviously the solutions database is filling up :) Good luck with yours!

DCC 01-17-2013 08:09 PM

If bmw knows the fix, then why is it not incorporated into new production? I cant believe that 2013 owners are havingto go through this hassle...

sparrky 01-18-2013 05:27 PM

I've had it back for a week and drove 200 miles. Hopefully it's fixed, if not, the next time in the garage gets me into lemon territory.

Best of luck 2013 owners. I'll keep you posted on my 13.

Thanks again all for the comments and guidance!

Gesh007x5 05-23-2013 09:47 PM

Faults Codes or My Fault
 
SAME ISSUE 2012 X5 50I waiting to get all injectors replaced. Total of 35 codes lmao. side note - Repair by trial and error from a code; what the f*ck is this world coming to my friends? A good mechanic diagnoses the root cause vs the half witted Iphone generation "techs" working for most of the service centers today. Your dealer's service department as quoted earlier is not the ideal place to fix a high performance vehicle such as this.

my 2012 x5 50i is in for the same issues; faulty injectors and cylinders. Everyone here including me is saying wtf, but am I alone in saying driving this beast at avg hgwy speed of 100 mps without additional tuning can be the cause? After I am picking her up; she is getting a second look at those "Codes" and some new down pipes and a new exhaust along with a good flash to the engine ECU to make sure all the programming is "Faantasssticheeee" :)


no feeling more intense than to be in the cockpit of a fine tuned BMW at over 100 mph.


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