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CALWATERBOY 11-30-2012 08:53 PM

Another one bites the dust
 
Fiskar experiencing cash problemo.

Gotta wonder. What's the story on BMW's electric car effort?

So far, lotta smoke. Mirrors too.

beden1 11-30-2012 09:28 PM

I saw a Fisker in the flesh last week in a parking lot. The paint job kinda reminded me of what was typically on dune buggies. It had sparkle in the finish! It's interesting but not for me. It screamed look at me because I crave attention.

Dork Knight 12-01-2012 08:27 AM

Fisker has the formula down, in my opinion. At least for the concept...not necessarily their balance sheet. An electric car with a dedicated gas-powered generator for range extension - much more appealing than the prospect of long-hour charges after 200 miles of electric range. Need more juice? Add gas to the generator, let it charge the batteries underway. I just think their sticker price alienates too much of the market. Would rather get two cars for that price...cheapo Hybrid for a DD, then a sporty car for weekend play. Best of both worlds, plus considerably cheaper.

A for BMW versions, I don't know. I noticed the bimmerfest homepage had a clip about the i3 that one of the members posted, but no price info or details about how well the technology is coming along. I'm curious as well.

pointandgo 12-01-2012 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY (Post 7224392)
Fiskar experiencing cash problemo.

Gotta wonder. What's the story on BMW's electric car effort?

So far, lotta smoke. Mirrors too.

Seems that BMW might not have any choice but to offer an EV in Kalifornia:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...704768888.html

Fiat will offer the 500e to meet CA requirements...maybe sell 100 of them (not enough!), and lose $8000 - 9000 per car.

Nobody from Sacramento has contacted me yet to ask me if I want an EV. I guess they've just decided to "force feed" we Californian's with cars that we don't want? :dunno:

SD Z4MR 12-03-2012 09:02 AM

Went to the LA Auto Show yesterday and Fisker (Fiskar makes cutting products!) had an area. Beautiful display area with several cars on display. All of the paint/upholstery names had "nature" or "earth" based names, like White Sand, Eclipse, Deep Ocean, Glacier and even Earth. Lots of people looking, but I'm guessing not many were thinking of buying.

Michael Schott 12-03-2012 11:06 AM

I spoke to a salesman at the Fisker dealer in Huntsville, AL a few weeks ago. They are the exclusive dealer for the states of Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi. They have sold 15 cars so far but at over $100K this is decent money (they also carry Porsche, BMW, Volvo and Range Rover) but if Fisker is only moving lets say, 10,000 cars/year with most in CA, this is not a viable business unless the US Government is OK with losing their shirt in order to promote more technology.

The cars are very cool and quite beautiful.

pointandgo 12-03-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Schott (Post 7228462)
I spoke to a salesman at the Fisker dealer in Huntsville, AL a few weeks ago. They are the exclusive dealer for the states of Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi. They have sold 15 cars so far but at over $100K this is decent money (they also carry Porsche, BMW, Volvo and Range Rover) but if Fisker is only moving lets say, 10,000 cars/year with most in CA, this is not a viable business unless the US Government is OK with losing their shirt in order to promote more technology.

The cars are very cool and quite beautiful.

10,000 cars was their sales objective, but USA Today reported only 1,500 delivered as of the end of Sept., 2012 since the launch last Dec.

DSXMachina 12-04-2012 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Schott (Post 7228462)
I spoke to a salesman at the Fisker dealer in Huntsville, AL a few weeks ago. They are the exclusive dealer for the states of Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi. They have sold 15 cars so far but at over $100K this is decent money (they also carry Porsche, BMW, Volvo and Range Rover) but if Fisker is only moving lets say, 10,000 cars/year with most in CA, this is not a viable business unless the US Government is OK with losing their shirt in order to promote more technology.

The cars are very cool and quite beautiful.

That would seem to be the case.

My wife and I were leaving the 'Hotel Del' in Coronado following a Sunday brunch a year and a half ago. A car leaving the parking lot at the same time caught our eye. It was spectacular with it's clean but stylish (old school) Italian looking exterior. Heads were swiveling everywhere following it down the road. It was the Fisker.
I have to admit, its lack of exhaust rumble made it even more intriguing, a great example of when less is far more. I have no doubt the Glitterati will be lining up for them. But, like art films loved by the critics, it will probably bomb in Peoria. When the taxpayer well drys up a Saab will probably look like a better buy.

DSXMachina 12-04-2012 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by pointandgo (Post 7228484)
10,000 cars was their sales objective, but USA Today reported only 1,500 delivered as of the end of Sept., 2012 since the launch last Dec.

News Flash: Sales goal revised to 1200 units. Fisker smashes projections! Investors line up to throw money at them. Executive bonuses all around.

CALWATERBOY 12-04-2012 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Schott (Post 7228462)
I spoke to a salesman at the Fisker dealer in Huntsville, AL a few weeks ago. They are the exclusive dealer for the states of Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi. They have sold 15 cars so far but at over $100K this is decent money (they also carry Porsche, BMW, Volvo and Range Rover) but if Fisker is only moving lets say, 10,000 cars/year with most in CA, this is not a viable business unless the US Government is OK with losing their shirt in order to promote more technology.


Current admin has a "What? Me worry?" attitude.

Hey, you're paying for it....they're just doing their job, redistributing your income!

I swear, from the right angle the guy in office looks related to Alfred E.


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Michael Schott 12-04-2012 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pointandgo (Post 7228484)
10,000 cars was their sales objective, but USA Today reported only 1,500 delivered as of the end of Sept., 2012 since the launch last Dec.

Yikes.

Michael Schott 12-04-2012 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY (Post 7230042)
Current admin has a "What? Me worry?" attitude.

Hey, you're paying for it....they're just redistributing your income!

I'm all for the government investing in new technology. I don't think Fisker ever had a chance to be viable, but it's the same as the credits for any electric car these days. We cannot keep depending on fossil fuels and their unstable foreign sources.

///M-ratedE90 12-04-2012 07:04 AM

There is a 1 series electric being used by someone at work. We have plug-in stations in our car park. As far as I can tell, BMW are leasing the e-cars and collecting them when done to establish real world data on these cars before moving others forward commercially. I haven't had a chance to ask if the car has been "chipped" yet... :)

CALWATERBOY 12-04-2012 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Schott (Post 7230054)
I'm all for the government investing in new technology. I don't think Fisker ever had a chance to be viable, but it's the same as the credits for any electric car these days. We cannot keep depending on fossil fuels and their unstable foreign sources.


Sad but true, electric cars are a product without a battery t'make it work.

Market speaks: This arbitration's failed.

So where are we? Manufacturers forced to develop products selling at a loss if at all. Deep-six that stuff - successful products are what we want.

CALWATERBOY 12-04-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Schott (Post 7230054)
I'm all for the government investing in new technology. I don't think Fisker ever had a chance to be viable, but it's the same as the credits for any electric car these days. We cannot keep depending on fossil fuels and their unstable foreign sources.


Yeah. Too bad there wasn't any.

Bought a solar panel lately? I pass Solyndra's facilities almost daily....and the slickest trick of all, that party stuffed the ballot box to reelect that guy. Ooof!

Yo -- in 30 days the noose tightens. As Henry Waxman D-CA said about health care, "How else are we going to control the people?"

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Michael Schott 12-05-2012 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY (Post 7231126)
Yeah. Too bad there wasn't any.

Bought a solar panel lately? I pass Solyndra's facilities almost daily....and the slickest trick of all, that party stuffed the ballot box to reelect that guy. Ooof!

Yo -- in 30 days the noose tightens. As Henry Waxman D-CA said about health care, "How else are we going to control the people?"

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Which means you also pass Tesla's plant. They may even be a success in this industry. Whether you like it or not, fossil fuels are not the future, natural gas, battery power and solar are the future.

By the way, how do those sour grapes taste?

And regarding solar panels, they are selling very well. Unfortunately most come from China.

beden1 12-05-2012 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Schott (Post 7232120)
Which means you also pass Tesla's plant. They may even be a success in this industry. Whether you like it or not, fossil fuels are not the future, natural gas, battery power and solar are the future.

By the way, how do those sour grapes taste?

And regarding solar panels, they are selling very well. Unfortunately most come from China.

Not very good at all! I cancelled my subscription to Mad Magazine after the first election. It was too much of reality imitating art for me to fathom.

CALWATERBOY 12-05-2012 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Schott (Post 7232120)
Which means you also pass Tesla's plant. They may even be a success in this industry. Whether you like it or not, fossil fuels are not the future, natural gas, battery power and solar are the future.

By the way, how do those sour grapes taste?

And regarding solar panels, they are selling very well. Unfortunately most come from China.


The top electric car company stands a chance, maybe, of success. They've been around awhile as a novelty....major players have at Govt's behest made a car or two, yet have only boutique sales to show, a failure to launch.

Natural gas but not fossil fuel. Ah.....

Solar electric not a significant thing at all. In California, solar collectors are mandated by law & regulation. Not desired, and not selling on merits, but forced.

Boondoggle! Public funding should be cut off at the knees. Liberal gibberish. Some invest their self worth in this stuff.


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http://gifs.gifbin.com/1237976673_ch...a_candyman.gif


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Michael Schott 12-05-2012 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY (Post 7232173)
The top electric car company stands a chance, maybe, of success. They've been around awhile as a novelty....major players have at Govt's behest made a car or two, yet have only boutique sales to show, a failure to launch.

Natural gas but not fossil fuel. Ah.....

Solar electric not a significant thing at all. In California, solar collectors are mandated by law & regulation. Not desired, and not selling on merits, but forced.

Boondoggle! Public funding should be cut off at the knees. Liberal gibberish. Some invest their self worth in this stuff.


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http://gifs.gifbin.com/1237976673_ch...a_candyman.gif


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Not true but who needs facts? Nice GIF though. And if certain things that are good for us are not legislated, how many people would still be dying from lung cancer due to smoking cheap cigarettes and I can't even imagine the condition of our lakes and streams?

pointandgo 12-05-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DSXMachina (Post 7230013)
News Flash: Sales goal revised to 1200 units. Fisker smashes projections! Investors line up to throw money at them. Executive bonuses all around.

This looks like the perfect opportunity to make up for my Facebook investments. Where do I send my check? :D

CALWATERBOY 12-05-2012 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pointandgo (Post 7232249)
This looks like the perfect opportunity to make up for my Facebook investments. Where do I send my check? :D


Yo! Do you have my bank routing info?

Tip: Electric car -- Short it


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