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ductman 01-24-2013 05:27 PM

Food for thought again ? Cadillac ATS
 
http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-ats-v6-review.html

Saintor 01-24-2013 05:51 PM

Wrong section but the 3.6L is one hell of a good argument why I would take the ATS over a 328i.

Chris90 01-24-2013 06:44 PM

Lost all credibility here:

Quote:

The pint-size Cadillac is the perfect home for this 3.6-liter V6. Saddled with an acceptably lithe 3,500 lbs. to tote around

Carnook 01-24-2013 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saintor (Post 7335829)
Wrong section but the 3.6L is one hell of a good argument why I would take the ATS over a 328i.

Except it only comes with a completely flawed 6-speed auto.

Saintor 01-24-2013 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Carnook (Post 7336006)
Except it only comes with a completely flawed 6-speed auto.

Wrong. I love my 6L45. Of course the ZF 8-sp. is better.

Carnook 01-24-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Saintor (Post 7336042)
Wrong. I love my 6L45. Of course the ZF 8-sp. is better.

The ZF isn't just better, its in a completely different league. I bet Cadillac will replace or retune the 6L45 next model year. Its just not up to the task they way its implemented in the current model year.

Saintor 01-24-2013 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Carnook (Post 7336054)
The ZF isn't just better, its in a completely different league. I bet Cadillac will replace or retune the 6L45 next model year. Its just not up to the task they way its implemented in the current model year.

Nobdy is complaining about the ATS automatic transmission except you. :tsk:

PK2348 01-24-2013 07:29 PM

"The ATS' redundant steering wheel switches work mostly as intended, but they aren't perfectly ergonomic and their back lighting got rather toasty on extended drives."
I am not praising f30, but above is just unacceptable

SilverX3 01-24-2013 07:30 PM

the engine is made in Australia by GM Holden

same engine used by Saab and Alfa

boltjaM3s 01-24-2013 08:05 PM

Please God, not another Cadillac ATS thread.

BJ

captainaudio 01-24-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s (Post 7336199)
Please God, not another Cadillac ATS thread.

BJ

While I can't deny that the subject has been beaten to death here you do not help the situation when you continually post in the threads and repeat the same thing over and over.

Let's both stay out of this one and hopefully it will die on the vine.

CA

dtc100 01-24-2013 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PK2348 (Post 7336117)
"The ATS' redundant steering wheel switches work mostly as intended, but they aren't perfectly ergonomic and their back lighting got rather toasty on extended drives."
I am not praising f30, but above is just unacceptable

Don't know what this is about since I have not read any such complaint by any ATS drivers. Complaints there are many, just not this one:)

I also don't see anything wrong with the ATS 6 spd. Other than fuel economy, I prefer 6 spd over 8 spd, especially if you like to use the manual mode often.

One thing I agree with them, the ATS 3.6 drove more BMW than BMW. The driving experience exceeds that of 335i, even though it maybe slightly slower.

What the ATS lacks is an M-Sport equivalent appearance package.

Chris90 01-24-2013 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carnook (Post 7336054)
The ZF isn't just better, its in a completely different league. I bet Cadillac will replace or retune the 6L45 next model year. Its just not up to the task they way its implemented in the current model year.

Never heard any complaints about the ATS 6-speed auto, maybe you mean the manual?

In any case, Caddy has said they're putting an 8-speed in the ATS next year.

dtc100 01-24-2013 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris90 (Post 7336315)
Never heard any complaints about the ATS 6-speed auto, maybe you mean the manual?

In any case, Caddy has said they're putting an 8-speed in the ATS next year.

The 6spd in the ATS is a ZF, I don't know what he was saying either.

BTW, so far, the average age of the ATS drivers is about 5 years younger than that of the 3 series. I think BJ needs to hurry up post a picture of his 70-year-old mom next to a 320i to match all the Caddy pictures he had:)

woodswatchco 01-24-2013 09:23 PM

I'll just complain about automatic transmissions in general. We all should be able to choose if we want a manual or automatic transmission. The new auto's are very good but the experience is totally different from a manual.




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Originally Posted by Saintor (Post 7336063)
Nobdy is complaining about the ATS automatic transmission except you. :tsk:


Carnook 01-24-2013 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saintor (Post 7336063)
Nobdy is complaining about the ATS automatic transmission except you. :tsk:

Yeah nobody is complaining. Just Car and Driver, Motor Trend, CNET...

I like the ATS and think its a good car, but its let down by its tranny and CUE. Improve those two things and it will be a much better car.

tturedraider 01-24-2013 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Saintor (Post 7335829)
Wrong section but the 3.6L is one hell of a good argument why I would take the ATS over a 328i.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtc100 (Post 7336310)
Don't know what this is about since I have not read any such complaint by any ATS drivers. Complaints there are many, just not this one:)

I also don't see anything wrong with the ATS 6 spd. Other than fuel economy, I prefer 6 spd over 8 spd, especially if you like to use the manual mode often.

One thing I agree with them, the ATS 3.6 drove more BMW than BMW. The driving experience exceeds that of 335i, even though it maybe slightly slower.

What the ATS lacks is an M-Sport equivalent appearance package.

The first word that comes to my mind about the 3.6 V6 in the ATS is "weak". The next word that comes to mind is "unrefined". On hard acceleration from a standstill low end torque is seriously lacking. I'd rather have the naturally aspirated I6 in my 330i any day and the N55 absolutely spanks the Caddy's 3.6 V6. Not surprisingly the V6 doesn't come close to the wonderfully linear pull of the I6.

justinnum1 01-24-2013 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tturedraider (Post 7336510)
the first word that comes to my mind about the 3.6 v6 in the ats is "weak". The next word that comes to mind is "unrefined". On hard acceleration from a standstill low end torque is seriously lacking. I'd rather have the naturally aspirated i6 in my 330i any day and the n55 absolutely spanks the caddy's 3.6 v6. Not surprisingly the v6 doesn't come close to the wonderfully linear pull of the i6.

+1

Michael Schott 01-25-2013 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carnook (Post 7336508)
Yeah nobody is complaining. Just Car and Driver, Motor Trend, CNET...

I like the ATS and think its a good car, but its let down by its tranny and CUE. Improve those two things and it will be a much better car.

Those magazines and sites were complaining about the 6MT not the AT.

LegendsNeverDie 01-25-2013 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Carnook (Post 7336006)
Except it only comes with a completely flawed 6-speed auto.

How is it flawed? It is one of the best 6 speed autos on the market today. Stop posting false information.

LegendsNeverDie 01-25-2013 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carnook (Post 7336054)
The ZF isn't just better, its in a completely different league. I bet Cadillac will replace or retune the 6L45 next model year. Its just not up to the task they way its implemented in the current model year.

:rofl: Wrong. Try again.


"While we’re disappointed that the ATS’s most potent engine is denied a clutch and an H-pattern, at least it has an automatic that thinks like a stick. When you grab a shift with either the console lever or a steering-wheel paddle, this transmission does what it can to heighten the fun. It drops gears when you slow for a turn to maximize the blast out of the bend and delays upshifts during acceleration until you pull the trigger or hit the redline. A full manual mode can be engaged by moving the lever to the left. In that setting, no shift occurs without a paddle tap or a lever nudge, even when the tach needle is bumping the rev limiter."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s-sedan-page-2

LegendsNeverDie 01-25-2013 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carnook (Post 7336508)
Yeah nobody is complaining. Just Car and Driver, Motor Trend, CNET...

I like the ATS and think its a good car, but its let down by its tranny and CUE. Improve those two things and it will be a much better car.

Wrong again! See post above directly quoted from C & D.

LegendsNeverDie 01-25-2013 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tturedraider (Post 7336510)
The first word that comes to my mind about the 3.6 V6 in the ATS is "weak". The next word that comes to mind is "unrefined". On hard acceleration from a standstill low end torque is seriously lacking. I'd rather have the naturally aspirated I6 in my 330i any day and the N55 absolutely spanks the Caddy's 3.6 V6. Not surprisingly the V6 doesn't come close to the wonderfully linear pull of the I6.

How is it weak? Its pretty much on pair with the N55 when it comes to straight line acceleration. The N55 hardly "spanks" the 3.6.

ATS 3.6
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 25.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.0 sec @ 102 mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review

F30 335i
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec
Street Start, 5–60 mph: 5.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 103 mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review

dtc100 01-25-2013 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tturedraider (Post 7336510)
The first word that comes to my mind about the 3.6 V6 in the ATS is "weak". The next word that comes to mind is "unrefined". On hard acceleration from a standstill low end torque is seriously lacking. I'd rather have the naturally aspirated I6 in my 330i any day and the N55 absolutely spanks the Caddy's 3.6 V6. Not surprisingly the V6 doesn't come close to the wonderfully linear pull of the I6.

Do I feel my N52 a little weaker than N20? Maybe, but I like the driving feel of the N/A I6, and it is faster than I really need on public road. It is when I take it to autox it begins to suck.

Do I feel the ATS 3.6 a little weaker than the N55? Yeah a little. But the reality is, unless you take them to the track, they both have way too much power for the street. What they did to the 3.6 is giving it a beautifully aggressive exhaust sound, something the 335i does it only half hearted.

The ATS 2.0T's driving character was a total surprise to me. A engine not only smooth but more eager to rev, nice turbo sound. Again more exciting as you push it hard. The N20 is more contained. Both can use some exhaust tuning BTW.

So far most reviews only tested pre-production ATSs, and for the 2.0T, only the manual tranny.

What maybe a show stopper is all the bugs new ATS drivers have reported.

Carnook 01-25-2013 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Schott (Post 7336863)
Those magazines and sites were complaining about the 6MT not the AT.

Actually they were complaining about both.


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