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crhodes435 01-26-2013 12:35 PM

Battery Draw and Fail mode
 
Lately I have started the car and the Tracking control, brake and ABS light come on and the car goes into FAIL mode. I charge the battery and the car is back to normal. I had the battery tested and it is in good condition but had a low charge. I unlocked the diagnostics computer on the dash and am able to read the alternator is putting out 13.8 amps while running ( I also tested with a meter at the battery) . I opened the trunk and disconnected the ground cable and hooked up an amp meter and there is a 11 to 12 amp draw on the system when the car is shut off and all the doors are closed. I even tried hooking a jumper cable to the neg battery post and one to the ground cable and closing the truck and testing the draw by connecting the meter to the other end of the ground cable. I tried pulling all of the fuses and relays one at a time but nothing will make that number drop. I am open to any suggestions on what to do next. For now I am simply disconnecting the battery when the car is not in use.

setconstr 01-26-2013 03:17 PM

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My experience has been similar to yours. I am running an interstate battery I had everything checked and it all passed but still leave anything on for ten minutes and jumper cables to restart it very frustrating. My battery was 40 months old and thats about how long the last one lasted so I got a new one this week $95 as the warranty is 3 years full and 2 years partial it's all good now ..........

chrisn7 01-26-2013 05:14 PM

What you have been attempting to do is a battery drain test. The way to do this is to open the boot (trunk), then close the latch with your ignition key to simulate the boot being closed. After connecting your ammeter, you must wait a minimum of 16 minutes for the car to go to sleep, to see what the real standby current drain is.

BMWFatherFigure 01-26-2013 05:22 PM

Is the OP confusing Volts and Amps?

crhodes435 01-26-2013 08:04 PM

Thanks. I am charging a borrowed battery and I'm going to test that tomorrow. I will also do the drain test using the ignition key to simulate closing the trunk and I'll wait the 18 minutes for the car to go to sleep. I would not be surprised if I am confusing Volts with Amps either. Thank you for responding to my post and I'll post the solution as soon as I find out what it is. I love the car and want to keep on top of things. I just put in a new MAF 3 weeks ago. I tried a cheap one and it didn't work so I purchased an OEM one which works great. If it's the battery I'll be sure to get one that's rated for the car.

BMWFatherFigure 01-27-2013 03:33 AM

If you get a chance also check the battery cables, terminations and joints. A poor joint (volt drop) will cause all sorts of unrelated problems to appear.

chrisn7 01-27-2013 04:52 AM

+1 on the terminals-be sure to look inside the battery post terminals-they can look perfect on the outside...

BMWFatherFigure 01-27-2013 06:23 AM

+1 on chrisn7 - found that out on the daughters Mustang yesterday!

crhodes435 01-27-2013 08:03 AM

On a different issue. Whenever I lock the car using the key after about 5 minutes the alarm will go off. I am guessing that it's the motion sensor. Is there a motion senor in the 2000 740il and can it be adjusted for sensitivity?

bluebee 01-27-2013 12:48 PM

I had whacky things happen to my cluster when my battery was just at the mid-point from being bad and good ...

- One user's experience debugging a half-dead instrument cluster (1) which, after testing the fuses (1) battery & alternator (1) thankfully turned into an alternative battery search (1) and a simple battery replacement DIY (1)

At the very least, the OP should test the charging system with redundant tests (to make sure that what he thinks is there is really there):
- DIY how to test a BMW battery & alternator

crhodes435 01-27-2013 06:18 PM

So I was able to do the parasitic draw test thanks to the instructions I got here. There is no parasitic draw on the battery after the car goes to "sleep". I did unlock the dash panel and saw that the alternator is charging correctly at 13.8 most of the time. It drops a little at idle when I use the brakes but not below 12. I am wondering in there is something drawing too much power when the car is running and that is whats causing the issue. Last night I had to drive home about 40 miles in FAIL mode and the lights never dimmed or anything like that even at an idle. I charged the battery over night and the issue went away. But I was driving it again today around town and it happened again. If there was a circuit drawing too much during normal operation the fuse should pop so I'm not really sure where to go from here. Should the car run on just the alternator with the lights on? I started the car and disconnected the positive cable and it kept running but when I turned on the lights it died right away.

BMWFatherFigure 01-27-2013 07:46 PM

Pulling a battery terminal on a running engine will cook the alternator 80% (or more) of the time. I think you have just exchanged a bad battery problem TO a bad battery plus cooked alternator problem. Sorry. :cry:

crhodes435 01-28-2013 04:55 AM

I'm just going to pony up for a new battery. I only pulled the positive cable off for about 5 seconds and the alternator is still running to spec. Thanks for the posts!


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