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matas55 02-04-2013 11:40 PM

Is 324td good for drift?
 
Hello :)

I am thinking of practicing drift on the local track. Do you think a stock 324td produces enough torque for a drift? And how does 325tds compare to 324td in performance & weight, handling, reliability, body corrosion? I have heard that most 2.5tds cylinder heads crack. Which of the models do you think is better?

Sorry for my english.

19871993 324td - 2.4 L M21D24 I6, 115 PS (85 kW; 113 hp)

matas55 02-05-2013 01:57 AM

Here's the track I will be practicing on. It costs 28USD or 21 EUR for one hour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2BZAtdcW40

matas55 02-05-2013 08:08 AM

Bump

bMarcusW 02-05-2013 08:37 AM

Wow, that's quite the track! Wish I had access to something like that :p

I'm no expert on diesel motors (or motors in general), but they've usually got some great low end torque which would likely help you get the wheels spinning easily (at 2400+rpm for the 324td you're already at the sweet spot)

Hopefully someone can answer your questions :D

Tkaczuk 02-05-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by matas55 (Post 7360788)
Bump

Sorry, a Diesel E30 is rare. None of us Americans know anything about them. Best bet? Go try. E30's can be generally tail happy if you want them to be but also can be very well planted.

matas55 02-05-2013 01:43 PM

Here in Lithuania, I have found bunch of 324tds models. I want to be exclusive drifter with diesel :D

downhiller 02-05-2013 05:28 PM

drifting is not low end torque, its hp. in drifting its being able to spin the tires at speed, and if you watch drifting comps, those guys are hitting the first turn at 80mph, locking the e brake then throttling out from there. the problem with a diesel is they are a low rev motor. so the revs your working with is a small range, say 500-1000rpms, while a proper drift motor, they work with 2000-4000rpms, yet alone more 500hp. while the 324td may be droppin 120hp, drift cars are normally around 600 at the wheels.

doable, yes. but youll have to be dead nuts on speed gear and the e brake and youll probably spin out more than anything.

BMWFatherFigure 02-06-2013 01:25 AM

It's all in the $$$$$$$$. How much power do you want to spend?

matas55 02-06-2013 08:17 AM

If I decide to buy one, I won't invest lots of money straight away. First I would get rid of rust, change belts, oil etc... I'd practice with stock on snow for some time. Then I would install lsd, get some tires, and increase turbo bar. In the long run I may invest up to 10 grand USD.
I may be wrong and ignorant, :eeps: but I think BMW 324td performance doesn't fall back much compared to the most popular drift car ever - Toyota AE86. What do you think?

Code:

Toyota AE86 Corolla Coupe 1600 (1983 - 1987):
Engine type - Number of cylinders :        - 4
Fuel type :        Petrol
Fuel System :        Inj. Elec.
Engine Alignment :        Longitudinal
Drive wheels - Traction - Drivetrain :        RWD
Engine size - Displacement - Engine capacity :        1587 cm3 ( 96.8 cu-in )
Bore x Stroke :        81 x 77 mm ( 3.19 x 3.03 inches)
Number of valves :        16 Valves
Aspiration :        NA
Compression Ratio :        9.5
Maximum power - Output - Horsepower :        130 PS (128 bhp) (96 kW) @ 6600 rpm
Maximum torque :        149 Nm (109 lb.ft) @ 5200 rpm
Transmission Gearbox - Number of speeds :        5 speed Manual
Front Brakes - Disc dimensions :        Vented Discs ( mm)
Rear Brakes - Dics dimensions :        Drums ( mm)
Front Tyres - Rims dimensions :        185/60 R14
Rear Tyres - Rims dimensions :        185/60 R14
Kerb Weight :        910 kg ( 2006 lbs )
Weight-Power Output Ratio :        7.0 kg/cv
Top Speed :        195 km/h (121 Mph)
Acceleration 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62 mph) :        8.9 s

Code:

BMW E30 3 Series 324td (1987 - 1991)
Engine type - Number of cylinders :        I 6
Engine Code :        M21D25
Fuel type :        Diesel
Fuel System :        Bosch VE6/10 Injection Pump
Engine Alignment :        Longitudinal
Drive wheels - Traction - Drivetrain :        RWD
Engine size - Displacement - Engine capacity :        2443 cm3 ( 149.1 cu-in )
Bore x Stroke :        80 x 81 mm ( 3.15 x 3.19 inches)
Number of valves :        12 Valves
Aspiration :        Turbo
Compression Ratio :        22
Maximum power - Output - Horsepower :        115 PS (113 bhp) (85 kW) @ 4800 rpm
Maximum torque :        220 Nm (162 lb.ft) @ 2400 rpm
Transmission Gearbox - Number of speeds :        5 speed Manual
Aerodynamic drag coefficient - Cx :        0.36
Front Brakes - Disc dimensions :        Vented Discs (260 mm)
Rear Brakes - Dics dimensions :        Discs (258 mm)
Front Tyres - Rims dimensions :        195/65 R14
Rear Tyres - Rims dimensions :        195/65 R14
Kerb Weight :        1260 kg ( 2778 lbs )
Weight-Power Output Ratio :        10.96 kg/cv
Front Suspension :        Double joint spring strut(McPherson) axle
Rear Suspension :        Independent with semi-trailing arms
Top Speed :        187 km/h (116 Mph)
Acceleration 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62 mph) :        11.9 s


downhiller 02-06-2013 05:21 PM

700lbs more with 15 less hp. big difference. another thing wheel to wheel distance, corolla is shorter so easier to get into a drift but harder to control.

one other thing to look at, guys were slapping turbos on the ae86 to boost the hp to around 200hp with 8# boost. but to keep with my first statement, the rpm power range is so far different and thats where the ae86 just beats the m21

pjoa09 02-06-2013 09:11 PM

Buy an E30 with blown motor, swap for something with a petrol turbocharged motor.

pjoa09 02-06-2013 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by downhiller (Post 7362215)
drifting is not low end torque, its hp. in drifting its being able to spin the tires at speed, and if you watch drifting comps, those guys are hitting the first turn at 80mph, locking the e brake then throttling out from there. the problem with a diesel is they are a low rev motor. so the revs your working with is a small range, say 500-1000rpms, while a proper drift motor, they work with 2000-4000rpms, yet alone more 500hp. while the 324td may be droppin 120hp, drift cars are normally around 600 at the wheels.

doable, yes. but youll have to be dead nuts on speed gear and the e brake and youll probably spin out more than anything.

You don't need 600 hp, those are professional ones.

Youtube is full of M40s and M42s going sideways.

My old M40 powered E30 had wheel spin too.

Wet tarmac and skinny stock worn tires. :)

_Ethrty-Andy_ 02-06-2013 11:23 PM

No way my M40B16 could hold a slide, i highly doubt an M40B18 could either. you really need around 200hp in ANY car to be able to hold a powerslide/drift

AE86s are slow and not really anything special in stock form

downhiller 02-07-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pjoa09 (Post 7364908)
You don't need 600 hp, those are professional ones.

Youtube is full of M40s and M42s going sideways.

My old M40 powered E30 had wheel spin too.

Wet tarmac and skinny stock worn tires. :)

i could drift my eta. but i was in first gear going slow and holding the brake just to keep the one tire spinning. to do proper drift when entering a corner at 60+mph, you need a good amount of hp to keep the tires spinning. there is no way in hell you can tell me someone took a m42 and threw the thing in a corner at 60+mph and was able to drift by using throttle only.

matas55 02-12-2013 12:45 PM

Bottom line - is it possible to hold a slide in a stock 324td?

hornhospital 02-12-2013 03:25 PM

Bottom line: NO

downhiller 02-12-2013 04:53 PM

e brake only on that car.

BMWFatherFigure 02-12-2013 11:58 PM

ROFL no way!!

downhiller 02-13-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWFatherFigure (Post 7378195)
ROFL no way!!

ive e braked a 86 buick century with a pedal e brake with release (in my younger rally days on a poor budget on farm roads) and its the only way to get my subby to slide too. i will say, the buick was on dirt roads and my subby is on snow pack, so i was cheating :fingers:

Nick323 02-14-2013 12:10 AM

Driftin Diesels
 
The Diesels just do not have a wide enough power band & throttle take up :thumbdwn:
I asked a customer whose Amarok we had suitably modified if I may test this.
Hitting the corner at about 140 kph, e Brake and then you have to have the motor spinning to start drifting without getting grip again.
Then it held the slide until I reached the apex and had to grab the next higher gear where the motor just could not REV up fast enough and the tyres gripped again :tsk:
Maybe with a Auto box and tiptronic style system :dunno:
BTW, do not try this at home ;)
The Chinese would say "that I had some interesting moments" :eek:

pjoa09 02-14-2013 03:39 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJK3z...kyLFQ&index=15

Well you can't say its really impossible to use a diesel. Just needs a turbo bigger than the engine itself!

Don't flame me please.

downhiller 02-14-2013 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by downhiller (Post 7362215)
doable, yes. but youll have to be dead nuts on speed gear and the e brake and youll probably spin out more than anything.

i did say it is doable. but forgot to mention the heaps of cash needed to do so

and i can tell you, that car is dropping some power, id say about 500hp and 900-1200ftlbs.

gotta love it.

pjoa09 02-14-2013 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by downhiller (Post 7382027)
i did say it is doable. but forgot to mention the heaps of cash needed to do so

and i can tell you, that car is dropping some power, id say about 500hp and 900-1200ftlbs.

gotta love it.

Hell yeah. They are snatching bits from all sorts of cars. Pushing nearly 500, they say it's on stock internals though.

downhiller 02-15-2013 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjoa09 (Post 7382346)
Hell yeah. They are snatching bits from all sorts of cars. Pushing nearly 500, they say it's on stock internals though.

in diesels you can do that. since they are designed around a high compression, they are overbuilt. so you can slap on +20 turbo on there without fear of blowing a rod.

_Ethrty-Andy_ 02-16-2013 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjoa09 (Post 7380525)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJK3z...kyLFQ&index=15

Well you can't say its really impossible to use a diesel. Just needs a turbo bigger than the engine itself!

Don't flame me please.

great video!


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