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Old 09-07-2010, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
In Tarrant county?


From the pictures I've seen it looks like the car is either currently at or was at BMW of Dallas. Those pics are definitely not taken at Autobahn. But the unknown is were they taken before the car was moved or after.

I'm biased but I would be exceedingly surprised if this happened at Autobahn. I know the GM personally and I know a lot about the owner and this is not the way they would operate. At least I hope not.


Something about this story does not pass the "smell test".
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Originally Posted by Lufthansa View Post
Copied this from Lexus GS forum - Dealer is apparently in DFW area:




BMW dealer wrecks M5 and won't pay for damage

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We complain about our dealerships, but check this out. Everything I've read about bad dealers on this forum pales in comparison with this story.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60...est-drive.html


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An M5Board forum member took his 2007 BMW M5 to the dealer for brakes and fresh oil. Their 20-year-old tech crashed it during a test drive. The dealership's offering him $2500 in parts. The problem? There's $30,000 in damage.

It's a topic of heated discussion over at M5Board, racking up over 108,000 page views so far and causing a bluster within the M5 community about the whole issue of service and owners rights. There are over 38 pages of commentary but we'll do you the favor of breaking it down to the key details.

The victim here goes by the handle "tjav8b" and this is how the whole thing started out:

Dealership rags my car and wrecks it on a test drive!
Took my car into dealership this morning for a oil/brake change. I get a call a few hours later (not even from the manager of the dealership) that my car had an "accident" while being test driven. They stated the driver hit a patch of sand and slid into the curb at 20mph. Damage...Wheel cracked, tire blown, front end will need repaint and the strut is cracked open. Immediately called B.S. on the story and it was obvious temp manager knew what really happened when I got there but would not admit it. I asked where it happened and he said a few streets behind the dealership. So, I go check out the area and it didn't take long to find it. Around a turn was 30ft of tire marks (no sand) and not only one but two separate curb impacts and coming to rest in a puddle of strut fluid. Total distance from first curb impact to strut puddle was about 120ft! So, it is obvious what happened, the mechanic was out ragging my car and lost control. Manager on duty actually had the balls to mention the lack of treadwear left on my rear tires as being a possible cause! We are talking a 100 degree day and dry as hell! He had nothing to say as to why the mechanic test drove in M mode (full dynamic off)! No M mode, no accident.
I have already told them to not touch anything and do not order anything until I contact them. I have already documented the crash site with video/pictures. Police told me they could not take a report because BMW had moved the car before I got there.
Anyone been in this type of situation before? Suggestions on how I should proceed?
Of course this incites the fires of hell in the commentary, and many suggestions to carefully document the incident, tell the dealer to do nothing until he gets some legal advice and then go from there.

This all took place this weekend. No doubt about it, the mechanic was driving reckless. I measured 110 feet from the point of intial impact to where the car finally stopped. This does not include the brake marks before impact. I forgot to mention this all happened on a 30 mph street.
After confronting the service manager with the evidence they dropped all pretense the damage came about as a result of bad road conditions. The previous claim of sand on the road causing a skid doesn't end with 110 feet of skid marks. The next update is a whopper:

Well...this is how the day went. They are not going to do anything other than have the car fixed. Of course they offered to fix it themselves and give me a loaner. They estimated a parts only cost without painting to be $2500. I talked to the GM (General Manager -Ed.) about depreciation, extended warranty, buying my car, selling me another car, you name it. He said if anything was damaged in the engine/drivetrain they would know it and they didn't find anything. They are not going to budge off of anything they feel like they are not required to. This is all after finally admitting they were grossly negligent and the 20 year old kid trashed my car like a rental! As soon as the owner said absolutlely no to any other option I told them not to do anything to my car, box it up and send to another dealership that another board member helped me out with (thanks again buddy). The GM then said they were going to immediately turn this over to their insurance. Get this, their deductible just happens to be $2500. They acted like this happens all the time and they already have a lot of lawsuits on them.
Contacting my lawyer in the morning for next course of action. I am willing to bet the next dealership is going to find a lot more wrong with this car.


And the next dealership did just that. After removing some body panels for inspection, they found a broken strut, borked inner brace, bent steering gear assembly, damaged rear suspension many instances of body damage, in total about $14,000 in parts and another $16,000 in labor. Currently the boned M5's owner is seeking further legal advice and negotiating with the dealer. One of the most clever parts of this story is how the actual dealer's name has never been mentioned, and that's by design. We're sure a dealership would be willing to work towards an amicable solution rather than have their name anywhere near this debacle. Our guess? It's either Autobahn Motorcars, Moritz BMW or BMW of Dallas given the M5Board member's from Fort Worth, Texas and those are the only three BMW dealers in less than 30 miles.

We'll stay tuned to find out how this all ends.
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Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
That's my exact point. You don't know if the OP reported the facts accurately. No one does. My only argument has been that the treatment the OP claims is a complete contradiction to what I know personally about the dealership's management.

We all know there are two sides to every story. But, apparently with the M5Board members I have committed a terrible sin by questioning whether the OP gave an accurate account of how the interaction happened. Surely emotion couldn't have played any role in how things transpired.
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Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
So does the dealership in this instance. They also have a very good reputation in the area.




Again though, you are assuming the OP stated things exactly as they are and not while still in the "throes" of his frustration and anger, which is how it came off to me. The accident happened on a Saturday and he immediately posted on a public forum of ///M5 enthusiasts. Over the next two days the thread already had eight pages and approx. 75 angry posts before anything really happened. On Monday he refused their plan to repair the car and instructed them to ship it to another dealership. On Tuesday he had already retained a lawer and was stating how he and his lawyer were planning to "crush these guys!" He gave them virtually no time to even do anything. This does not sound to me like a level headed and reasonable response.

I think your instruction note is a good idea.
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Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
My E90 330i has been painted on a fairly large area of the passenger side. Before I bought the car I gave it a very thorough inspection looking for any tell tell signs of repainting. The job was so good I couldn't tell it had been painted. I only found out after I bought the car and found the work order with a bunch of papers that were with the owner's manual in its pouch. I had to decide it didn't really matter much, because there is absolutely no sign of it.
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Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
Nobody officially quoted the guy only $2,500 for repairs. That was just something someone said off handedly.

If it's repaired by a BMW Certified Collision Repair Center, which is where it is now, I think they'll be capable of repairing any frame damage if there even is any. It's the suspension the took the hit.
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Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
Oohhh, I've been banned for a week on ///5Board. I have to say I didn't realize how great Bimmerfest is. I have an entirely new respect for our management. I've posted a goodly number of opposing views since I've been here. I've never been censored and rarely had my words' meaning twisted into comments/thoughts that really are beyond comprehension. I am completely serious when I say that forum really scares me. I've never seen such a high level of vitriol on any other BMW forum.

Thank you, Bimmerfest management/mods!!!



No one here on Bimmerfest has defended the "crash dealer". They've only looked at the situation with a dispassionate, reasonable, realistic view point.




If you wreck a car on a test drive (even if it's an ///M5) the dealer is going to be disappointed and they are going to look straight to you and your insurance company to make them whole. They are probably going to insist the repair be made at a BMW Certified Collision Repair Center, if there is one within a reasonable distance.

I haven't read anyone say the offending dealer should be allowed to repair the car. In fact, since BMW of Dallas has a BMW CCRC, I think they are an excellent choice to do the repair. A sentiment I expressed more than one on that other forum.



Michael, no fair bringing reasoning into this topic.
Wow memory isnt what it used to be, however it looks like right from the start you where biased, your word not mine for the dealer, in all the posts I quoted there where numerous hints of you implying the M5 owner was lying, or worse scamming. The DEALER LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING at first that right there is pretty damning no matter how you slice it. And in the OP it said right away the dealer offered to fix it, $2500 dollars in parts.

Oh Notice the part in the OP I bolded?
I will quote it again
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They are not going to do anything other than have the car fixed. Of course they offered to fix it themselves and give me a loaner. They estimated a parts only cost without painting to be $2500. I talked to the GM (General Manager -Ed.) about depreciation, extended warranty, buying my car, selling me another car, you name it. He said if anything was damaged in the engine/drivetrain they would know it and they didn't find anything. They are not going to budge off of anything they feel like they are not required to. This is all after finally admitting they were grossly negligent and the 20 year old kid trashed my car like a rental! As soon as the owner said absolutlely no to any other option I told them not to do anything to my car, box it up and send to another dealership that another board member helped me out with (thanks again buddy). The GM then said they were going to immediately turn this over to their insurance. Get this, their deductible just happens to be $2500. They acted like this happens all the time and they already have a lot of lawsuits on them.
Seems this is the reason for the lawyer right away, and it might also explain why he has not gone to his insurance.

Last edited by 02 330Ci; 09-07-2010 at 07:39 PM.
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