Coding Internet over Bluetooth and not over BMW

tissot · Sep 20, 2012

I'm in Poland, car is from Germany, build in 03/10. I have factory 614, but it works only in Germany.
Ok, I will be trying...

tissot · Sep 20, 2012

I'm in Poland, car is from Germany, build in 03/10. I have factory 614, but it works only in Germany.
Ok, I will be trying...

shawnsheridan · Sep 20, 2012

tissot said:
I'm in Poland, car is from Germany, build in 03/10. I have factory 614, but it works only in Germany.
Ok, I will be trying...

Ok. I see. Factory 614 is actually Internet via BMW Assist using the car's GSM Module and SIM Card. It is also used though for coding Internet over Bluetooth using the Cell Phone SIM Card and Data Connection. Have you tried asking BMW Assist to activate Internet on your car, which is how your 614 is supposed to work?

I think Combox, at least in the U.S. did not appear until 09/10 builds, so your 03/10 build is probably missing it. Do you instead of Combox show TCU and or MULF modules in E-Sys?

Can you post a picture of all the ECU's showing in your SVT in E-Sys?

rutok · Sep 20, 2012

Just so I'm clear, Shawn were you able to get internet working over Bluetooth in your F10?

shawnsheridan · Sep 20, 2012

rutok said:
Just so I'm clear, Shawn were you able to get internet working over Bluetooth in your F10?

Yes, I have BMW Live & Internet working over Bluetooth in my U.S. F10. But it is hardly worth the effort I put into it if you ask me. :thumbdwn:

vzinic · Sep 20, 2012

internet over bluetooth

Can someone make a tutorial, how to enable internet over bluetooth to work in bmw f10 ?
I have Bmw f10 2012 with:
S612A BMW ASSIST
S614A Internet preparation
S616A BMW ONLINE
S6AAA BMW TELESERVICES
S6VCA COMBOX

Thanks.

rutok · Sep 20, 2012

shawnsheridan said:
Yes, I have BMW Live & Internet working over Bluetooth in my U.S. F10. But it is hardly worth the effort I put into it if you ask me. :thumbdwn:

Is this due to not being able to use while in motion? Or the actual functionality? i.e. connection speed, display limitations, etc

shawnsheridan · Sep 20, 2012

rutok said:
Is this due to not being able to use while in motion? Or the actual functionality? i.e. connection speed, display limitations, etc

It's quite a few things actually that collectively make it not worth using. :bawling:

No Internet-In-Motion
Speed - One, I am on a Verizon 3G Corporate Blackberry as they do not offer a 4G Blackberry. Two, the CPU in the CIC is just plain slow. Maybe with a 4G phone and the new upgraded HU_NBT Head Unit, the speed will be better.
Browser - The CIC uses some flavor of Firefox 3.5, and there is no support for Flash, Java, or Silverlight, etc. (e.g. No NFL.com football game animation )
Input - iDrive Controller scrolling through the alphabet one character at a time to enter URL's or fill in User Name or Password fields is painful.
Loosing Google - Send-To functionality, which is part of BMW Assist.

rutok · Sep 20, 2012

shawnsheridan said:
It's quite a few things actually that collectively make it not worth using.

No Internet-In-Motion

Speed - One, I am on a Verizon 3G Corporate Blackberry as they do not offer a 4G Blackberry. Two, the CPU in the CIC is just plain slow. Maybe with a 4G phone and the new upgraded HU_NBT Head Unit, the speed will be better.

Browser - The CIC uses some flavor of Firefox 3.5, and there is no support for Flash, Java, or Silverlight, etc. (e.g. No NFL.com football game animation)

Input - iDrive Controller scrolling through the alphabet one character at a time to enter URL's or fill in User Name or Password fields is painful.

Loosing Google - Send-To functionality, which is part of BMW Assist.

Thanks Shawn, Thats all I need to hear.. Not worth the trouble is right! No flash is a huge bummer

shawnsheridan · Sep 23, 2012

vzinic said:
Can someone make a tutorial, how to enable internet over bluetooth to work in bmw f10 ?
I have Bmw f10 2012 with:
S612A BMW ASSIST
S614A Internet preparation
S616A BMW ONLINE
S6AAA BMW TELESERVICES
S6VCA COMBOX

Thanks.

Change your VO as follows:

- 612 (or 633 or 639 if present)
+ 644
+ 614 (Required but already present)
+ 615
+ 6AL
+ 6AB

VO CODE HU_CIC
VO CODE CMB_MEDIA

FDL CODE CMB_MEDIA:
- TELEMATIK_VIN = Coding_VIN

FDL CODE CMB_MEDIA:
Use modified VO with VIN that has factory options 614 and 615 as explained in my earlier Post # 45:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7062125&postcount=45

*** Use only to FDL Code CMB_MEDIA; DO NOT write this FA to the Car

1) Enable Data Transfer Option Under Phone
2) Enable Bluetooth Data Tethering on Phone
3) Under Connected drive; Update services (should show BMW Live and Internet services)
4) Go to BMW Live and Internet and make sure it it working

After it is working:
Use original VO with car VIN:
FDL CODE CMB_MEDIA:
- TELEMATIK_VIN = MOST_VIN

Read CMB_MEDIA and verify Short VIN in brackets [xxxxxxx] is car VIN.

DO NOT update services again or you will loose BMW Live and Internet.

*** If you do not return the Combox VIN to car VIN, you will encounter problems with future dealer programming, as the Combox will not be recognized, and programming will hault.

mateforrest · Oct 16, 2012

Hello Shawn i have same problem, i´m from spain.

vzinic said:
Can someone make a tutorial, how to enable internet over bluetooth to work in bmw f10 ?
I have Bmw f10 2012 with:
S612A BMW ASSIST
S614A Internet preparation
S616A BMW ONLINE
S6AAA BMW TELESERVICES
S6VCA COMBOX

Thanks.

This is my car:

S609A NAVIGATIONSSYSTEM PROFESSIONAL Sistema de navegación Professional
S610A HEAD-UP DISPLAY Head-up display
S612A BMW ASSIST BMW Assist
S614A INTERNET VORBEREITUNG Preinstalación de Internet
S615A ERWEITERTE BMW ONLINE INFORMATION Información BMW Online ampliada
S616A BMW ONLINE BMW Online
S620A SPRACHEINGABESYSTEM Control por voz
S633A HANDY VORB. BUSINESS/BLUETOOTH-SCH. Preparación teléfono móvil Business
S676A HIFI LAUTSPRECHERSYSTEM Sistemas de altavoz HiFi
S698A AREA-CODE 2 Código de área 2 para DVD
S6AAA BMW TELESERVICES BMW TeleServices
S6ABA STEUERUNG TELESERVICES Control servicios telemáticos
S6FLA USB-AUDIO-SCHNITTSTELLE Interfaz USB/audio
S6VCA STEUERUNG COMBOX Control Combox

I have the same issue, internet is not availble in your country.

Could you make me a tutorial please.

I think i don´t need a fake vin, is correct? But my car doesn´t has 644 Live option.

Could i return to the previous status before this codification?

Thanks in advance.

shawnsheridan · Oct 17, 2012

mateforrest said:
Hello Shawn i have same problem, i´m from spain.

This is my car:

S609A NAVIGATIONSSYSTEM PROFESSIONAL Sistema de navegación Professional
S610A HEAD-UP DISPLAY Head-up display
S612A BMW ASSIST BMW Assist
S614A INTERNET VORBEREITUNG Preinstalación de Internet
S615A ERWEITERTE BMW ONLINE INFORMATION Información BMW Online ampliada
S616A BMW ONLINE BMW Online
S620A SPRACHEINGABESYSTEM Control por voz
S633A HANDY VORB. BUSINESS/BLUETOOTH-SCH. Preparación teléfono móvil Business
S676A HIFI LAUTSPRECHERSYSTEM Sistemas de altavoz HiFi
S698A AREA-CODE 2 Código de área 2 para DVD
S6AAA BMW TELESERVICES BMW TeleServices
S6ABA STEUERUNG TELESERVICES Control servicios telemáticos
S6FLA USB-AUDIO-SCHNITTSTELLE Interfaz USB/audio
S6VCA STEUERUNG COMBOX Control Combox

I have the same issue, internet is not availble in your country.

Could you make me a tutorial please.

I think i don´t need a fake vin, is correct? But my car doesn´t has 644 Live option.

Could i return to the previous status before this codification?

Thanks in advance.

My tutorial is Post #70.

It assumes you know how to FDL Code, Modify your VO and VO Code. The only other part is Writing a VIN to the Combox, which in the post refers you back to my detailed instructions for that in Post # 45.

I will help you if I can, but I don't think I can detail it any more or better than I have already.

If you are not clear on something(s), tell me what that is, and I'll elaborate.

1) Since you have factory 614 and 615, you should not need a fake VIN. However, since you also have 612 BMW Assist, the 614 you have, as configured, is Internet via the car SIM, not Internet via Mobile Phone Bluetooth.

2) You need to replace 612 with 644

3) You need to add 6AL for BMW Live.

Yes, this is 100% reversible by using your original VO, and VO Coding CMB_MEDIA and HU_CIC.

mateforrest · Oct 17, 2012

Thank you very much Shawn.

i´m a beginner with my F10.

Please read my red answers.

shawnsheridan said:
My tutorial is Post #70.

It assumes you know how to FDL Code, Modify your VO and VO Code. The only other part is Writing a VIN to the Combox, which in the post refers you back to my detailed instructions for that in Post # 45. i think i don´t need to change the VIN, is correct?

I will help you if I can, but I don't think I can detail it any more or better than I have already.

If you are not clear on something(s), tell me what that is, and I'll elaborate.

1) Since you have factory 614 and 615, you should not need a fake VIN. However, since you also have 612 BMW Assist, the 614 you have, as configured, is Internet via the car SIM, not Internet via Mobile Phone Bluetooth. Ok, i continue using my vin, Can i skip this step from the post 70 tutorial?

2) You need to replace 612 with 644
I removed 612 from VO and them add 644, is correct?

3) You need to add 6AL for BMW Live.
I only add to the VO this option, Correct?, Also can i retrofit the BMW APPS adding 6NR
Yes, this is 100% reversible by using your original VO, and VO Coding CMB_MEDIA and HU_CIC.
I want to know this because actually this feature only works on Germany an UK, But BMW plans to enable this feature in Spain at the end of the year and i prefer to use the internal sim because is faster than the bluetooth conection

Regards

shawnsheridan · Oct 17, 2012

mateforrest said:
Thank you very much Shawn.

i´m a beginner with my F10.

Please read my red answers.

Regards

1) Yes, I think you will NOT need a fake VIN, so skip these steps:

FDL CODE CMB_MEDIA:
- TELEMATIK_VIN = Coding_VIN

FDL CODE CMB_MEDIA:
Use modified VO with VIN that has factory options 614 and 615 as explained in my earlier Post # 45:

2) Yes, remove 612 from VO, and then add both 644 and 6AL to VO, then:

VO CODE HU_CIC
VO CODE CMB_MEDIA

3) Do NOT add 6NR for BMW Apps, unless you have already first obtained a 9C FSC Code and had it imported into your CIC and activated. This can be done for $250 USD. PM me for details if you are interested in this. You will have BMW Apps (e.g. Web Radio, Pandora, Facebook, etc.), but no Video and iPod out (PlugIn) functionality though. For those you would also need 6NF hardware and coding, or you would need to replace your 6FL USB Aux-In port with the Mini Cooper USB AV-In port.

mateforrest · Oct 17, 2012

Thanks,

I just sent you an email for the FSC code.

Regards

shawnsheridan · Oct 17, 2012

mateforrest said:
Thanks,

I just sent you an email for the FSC code.

Regards

Ok. I sent you the requested contact information.

mateforrest · Oct 17, 2012

Hello again Shawn

Please, could you give me more information about this:

VO CODE HU_CIC
VO CODE CMB_MEDIA

and also about this:

It assumes you know how to FDL Code, Modify your VO and VO Code.

I think i´m able to modify the VO (i have the pdf tutorial) but i´m not sure about FDL Code and VO code.

Also i have full working E-sys but i don´t know where i must to insert the pin 2960 for the first time.

Regards

shawnsheridan · Oct 17, 2012

mateforrest said:
Hello again Shawn

Please, could you give me more information about this:

VO CODE HU_CIC
VO CODE CMB_MEDIA

and also about this:

It assumes you know how to FDL Code, Modify your VO and VO Code.

I think i´m able to modify the VO (i have the pdf tutorial) but i´m not sure about FDL Code and VO code.

Also i have full working E-sys but i don´t know where i must to insert the pin 2960 for the first time.

Regards

The E-Sys - Getting Started Coding.pdf explains FDL Coding:

https://www.rapidshare.com/files/706976177/E-Sys - Getting Started Coding.pdf

Basically, you Read your FA (which is your VO), Activate FA, Read your VCM, Select and Read an ECU's CAFD, Right-Click on the CAFD and select "Edit FDL", change the Coding Data, and select "Code FDL"

This allows you to change individual parameters within an ECU.

The first time you invoke the FDL Editor (e.g. selecting "Edit FDL" or manually launching the FDL Editor), you will be prompted to enter your EST Token PIN.

VO Coding is the same, except instead of selecting an ECU's CAFD, Right-Click on the ECU itself (NOT the underlying CAFD in the Subfolder) and select "CODE".

This will code the entire ECU to a default condition based on the FA you have activated (primarily using the Production date and Option Codes), which may be the FA from the car that you Read, or it may be a modified version thereof that you have created, as will be the case here.

https://www.rapidshare.com/files/3226673332/E-Sys - How to change FA in F-series car.pdf

mateforrest · Oct 18, 2012

Ok I think i understand the process,

but for example, for the LDW 5AD the process as i read is this:

KAFAS:
3000, TLC_START_VERSION, default_on
3000, TLC_ON_OFF, aktiv
3000, SEND_MESSAGE_327, aktiv
3000, SEND_MESSAGE_345, aktiv
3006, ACTUATOR_ON_OFF, aktiv

KOMBI:
3003, TLC_VERBAUT, aktiv
3004, ST_TLC_TIMEOUT, aktiv
3004, ST_TLC_ALIVE, aktiv
3004, ST_TLC_APPL, aktiv

HU_CIC:
3001, LANE_DEPARTURE_WARNING, aktiv

SZL_LWS:
3000, Lenkrad_Vibration, aktiv

but why not they do this?:

1º Add 5AD to VO of the car
2º VO CODE KAFAS
VO CODE KOMBI
VO CODE HU_CIC
VO CODE SZL_LWS

Regards.

shawnsheridan said:
The E-Sys - Getting Started Coding.pdf explains FDL Coding:

https://www.rapidshare.com/files/706976177/E-Sys - Getting Started Coding.pdf

Basically, you Read your FA (which is your VO), Activate FA, Read your VCM, Select and Read an ECU's CAFD, Right-Click on the CAFD and select "Edit FDL", change the Coding Data, and select "Code FDL"

This allows you to change individual parameters within an ECU.

The first time you invoke the FDL Editor (e.g. selecting "Edit FDL" or manually launching the FDL Editor), you will be prompted to enter your EST Token PIN.

VO Coding is the same, except instead of selecting an ECU's CAFD, Right-Click on the ECU itself (NOT the underlying CAFD in the Subfolder) and select "CODE".

This will code the entire ECU to a default condition based on the FA you have activated (primarily using the Production date and Option Codes), which may be the FA from the car that you Read, or it may be a modified version thereof that you have created, as will be the case here.

https://www.rapidshare.com/files/3226673332/E-Sys - How to change FA in F-series car.pdf

shawnsheridan · Oct 18, 2012

mateforrest said:
Ok I think i understand the process,

but for example, for the LDW 5AD the process as i read is this:

KAFAS:
3000, TLC_START_VERSION, default_on
3000, TLC_ON_OFF, aktiv
3000, SEND_MESSAGE_327, aktiv
3000, SEND_MESSAGE_345, aktiv
3006, ACTUATOR_ON_OFF, aktiv

KOMBI:
3003, TLC_VERBAUT, aktiv
3004, ST_TLC_TIMEOUT, aktiv
3004, ST_TLC_ALIVE, aktiv
3004, ST_TLC_APPL, aktiv

HU_CIC:
3001, LANE_DEPARTURE_WARNING, aktiv

SZL_LWS:
3000, Lenkrad_Vibration, aktiv

but why not they do this?:

1º Add 5AD to VO of the car
2º VO CODE KAFAS
VO CODE KOMBI
VO CODE HU_CIC
VO CODE SZL_LWS

Regards.

Amen brother. I have been preaching VO Modification and VO Coding for sometime, but some people are still unfamiliar with it, or are uncomfortable with it, or just prefer to FDL Code each and every parameter. :dunno:

If it was me, I would just add 5AD to my VO, and VO Code the 4 affected ECU's.

In general, the only issue you may run into when VO coding that you won't while FDL coding, is that VO Coding takes into account the production date, whereas FDL Coding does not, so when VO Coding, one needs to make sure the VO Production date covers whatever production date the option being added was introduced. That though is not an issue here with LDW, as it has been an option on the F10 since its inception.

One other issue too is when you VO Code, you wipe out any previous FDL Coding you have done as the entire ECU is being set to a predetermined condition, so you would have to go back and re-FDL Code all you customizations. In the case of HU_CIC, that could be quite a bit, in which case it would be easier to just FDL Code the one parameter above, rather than having to recode 20 others after the VO Coding. Where VO Coding is truly advantageous, is when you do not know all the FDL Codes required to support an option, it will make them all for you.

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