About time to get this one started. Interest is waning for the good guys, but we can always hope for a late season comeback. :bawling:
Ok, I hate Ferrari, but I disagree with this.Mr. Know-It-All said:That pass MS made on RB after the first safety car was BS. The two cars are too evenly matched and two drivers too evenly skilled to have been THAT easy of a pass. They (Ferrari) had made a radio communication to RB to make sure he drops back to block for MS.
F1 needs to monitor pit to car communication again to prevent this sort of BS from happening repeatedly.
That "missing sticker" was just the anouncers creating stories based off limited information. He was DQ'd do to starting grid rule infraction.Mr. Know-It-All said:...The Ferrari "spotters" probably saw that JPM did not have the tech sign-off sticker on his car and called it in like they're paid to do.
I'm not disputing the fact that Renault was very good in Monaco and it was a well deserved win. It looks like they are, along with BAR Honda, the only serious competitors at the moment. BMW couldn't get a good working package like the one they had last year. The car has aerodynamic flaws, I read.racerdave said:Easy!
Jarno Trulli/Renault.
He already did it.
And don't whine about MS being out of the race at Monaco. He was a pit stop down when he left the race and Trulli had dominated the entire weekend.
Renault legitimately beat Ferrari at Monaco.
So there.
It would have made him start from the back - and he did. Breakng the one engine rule isn't an automatic DQ.CaliJeff said:Why a major thumbsdown? The one engine per race weekend would've dampened the results for JPM anyway.
The way he drove today, he would have had a shot if the qualifying car had worked. JPM, if he hadn't been pulled. Pinecone is saying we're not looking at the rest of the field, but we are. They DQed one of the three guys who was driving like stink and actually passing, and that hacks me. The FW26 spare car seemed the match of any out there - hmm, maybe he should take it from now on.racerdave said:Easy!
Jarno Trulli/Renault.
He already did it.
You weren't watching JPM, Trulli, and Sato drive today, then.TeamZ4 said:it seems to me the joke is Schumacher's so-called competition :dunno:
I'm not so sure I agree. I think that the rest of the teams are pretty much letting the drivers go at it, and seeing who comes out on top; no unofficial 'top dog' (although Honda would be forgiven for trying to push Button).Mr. Know-It-All said:and that team order exists in almost all the teams in contention for the championship.
Oh, I think they like to set records (wins, points, laps, poles, etc.), too. And MS is the one who is in position to break them all (and/or keep them basically forever)Mr. Know-It-All said:Why the Scoot-arrhea doesn't let RB race MS at this point is beyond my comprehension. One more win MS would clinch the driver's title for this year, no?
:jack:WILLIA///M said:
:rofl: If that becomes a reason for disqualification, Renault is going to lose both drivers...WILLIA///M said:Wait till they DQ Trulli for bad hair.
There was a worker at the car before ralf got the wheel off. Ralf started to try to get out, and the corner worker leaned down and said something to him, and then he sat back and stayed in teh car. That one. That guy was there very fast. The rescue team took longer to get there.pod13 said:Which ones? The ones behind the fence? I guess they were yelling really loud. It still took a long time for the crews to show up, but I guess it takes what 2.6 mins to drive the circuit at 60mph.
It was a questionable move. If MS was beside any other car than another red one, we would be hearing much more about it. I've heard that timing has the two cars at a dead heat when crossing the line. I guess moving from behind to along side another car isn't 'overtaking' as long as your nose doesn't poke in front of the other. :dunno: Still a very risky move for MS to make.
Didn't Sato say he had to slow to let MS back in when he came out of the pits? I remember him saying that he had to almost stop to avoid the wreckage (making it quicker to go through pit-lane and change tires), but that on MS exit he had to slow to let him in and its something they should look at. Maybe he was talking about something else.
90s, heack, don't foget the 80s. 21 something years without a championship.Alex Baumann said:I want to refer to Pinecone's one of the earlier replies in another thread. It took the Scuderia Team long time to build a competitive and winning car. It was a long hard way and it costed them a lot of money. Read the statistics of the 90s, then you'll understand what I mean.
As for the pit-driver-pit radio communications, both FIA and the TV stations have free access to the frequencies and can monitor the conversations. (since the 2003 season)
ABSOLUTELY. I has been that way since the first time a team had two cars on the track.Mr. Know-It-All said:I beg to differ. If Williams, BAR, or Renault is anywhere near contention for a Driver's Championship title, you'd see any of the three teams pull a stunt like having #2 block for #1 by allowing #1 to pass #2 with relative ease after a safety car period, then slowing down to prevent the rest of the field from catching #1. IF any of the above mentioned team are in contention.
Why the Scoot-arrhea doesn't let RB race MS at this point is beyond my comprehension. One more win MS would clinch the driver's title for this year, no?
You're forgetting one thing - per team orders, Reubens will NEVER beat Michael.Pinecone said:So with 9 races left at this point, if RB continues to come in 2nd in every race while MS wins, MS doesn't clinch until after the 16th race out of 18.
Wrong.Pinecone said:As for the move, why is it questional. You can pass as soon as you can see a green flag, or past the corner showing a yellow flag. What he did was perfectly legal, no matter who he was passing.
What constitutes a timing error, anyway? WTF.Patrick 520iAT said:Wrong.
Overtaking on the lap that the Safety Car leaves the track is not allowed under the rules.
Spoonface's move on the #2 driver was investigated by the stewards because at first, MSchumacher was listed as P1 at the end of the same lap that the SC left the track. However, they (stewards) have now explained that this was a "timing" error, and was automatically corrected ... The corrected timing showed that the #2 car was in P1 by (cough) 0.013 seconds. At 350km/h down the straight away, this would mean that he lead Spoonface by 1.2 METERS as they crossed the start/finish line.
:yawn:
Whatever ...
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Didn't Shumi LOOSE the race last year but a very similar time? :dunno:Patrick 520iAT said:Wrong.
Overtaking on the lap that the Safety Car leaves the track is not allowed under the rules.
Spoonface's move on the #2 driver was investigated by the stewards because at first, MSchumacher was listed as P1 at the end of the same lap that the SC left the track. However, they (stewards) have now explained that this was a "timing" error, and was automatically corrected ... The corrected timing showed that the #2 car was in P1 by (cough) 0.013 seconds. At 350km/h down the straight away, this would mean that he lead Spoonface by 1.2 METERS as they crossed the start/finish line.
:yawn:
Whatever ...
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Taking 2 hours to realize it took someone 17 seconds to leave a car.berford said:What constitutes a timing error, anyway?
The official live timing showed MS as second and RB as first. Noone corrected and changed anything. Period.Patrick 520iAT said:Wrong.
Overtaking on the lap that the Safety Car leaves the track is not allowed under the rules.
Spoonface's move on the #2 driver was investigated by the stewards because at first, MSchumacher was listed as P1 at the end of the same lap that the SC left the track. However, they (stewards) have now explained that this was a "timing" error, and was automatically corrected ... The corrected timing showed that the #2 car was in P1 by (cough) 0.013 seconds. At 350km/h down the straight away, this would mean that he lead Spoonface by 1.2 METERS as they crossed the start/finish line.
:yawn:
Whatever ...
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I really doubt it.Alex Baumann said:Had Rubens lifted his right foot from the gas for just the fraction of a second, we would've seen a driver-through penalty for Michael.
You are free to doubt anything you likeThe Roadstergal said:I really doubt it.
I think most drivers would have gotten a drive-through for playing it that close.