Competition for the 550i (not M5). Seems to putting down near M5 numbers at a 550i-like pricepoint
Compared to the regular A6 3.0T, it gets an upgraded interior with better seats, S-Line exterior trim, torque-vectoring rear diff, crown-gear diff, V8TT, and dual-clutch auto
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
ESTIMATED BASE PRICE: $71,000
ENGINE TYPE: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 240 cu in, 3933 cc
Power: 420 hp @ 6400 rpm
Torque: 406 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 7-speed dual-clutch automatic with manual shifting mode
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 114.6 in
Length: 194.1 in
Width: 73.8 in Height: 56.7 in
Curb weight: 4255 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 16.1 sec
Rolling start, 5***8211;60 mph: 4.9 sec
Top gear, 30***8211;50 mph: 2.1 sec
Top gear, 50***8211;70 mph: 2.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.1 sec @ 115 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 157 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
Competition for the 550i (not M5). Seems to putting down near M5 numbers at a 550i-like pricepoint
Compared to the regular A6 3.0T, it gets an upgraded interior with better seats, S-Line exterior trim, torque-vectoring rear diff, crown-gear diff, V8TT, and dual-clutch auto
Those numbers are pretty amazing. It will be interesting to see what it costs with "normal" options. I'm guessing that most of them will be sitting on lots at $80,000 or so. The other problem I would have is that Audi has very poor leases, so for those of us who lease it is likely to be way out of our reach.
Completely agree. Audi is really hard to deal with. I would be driving one now if the lease deals were better or they would give deeper discounts. Audi cars are VERY much in demand and supply is limited so they can hold tight. There are a million BMW's and MB's on the road. I think BMW and MB sell 5 times as many cars as Audi in the US.
I like Audi's current design through almost every model except the A7.
Good catch. Has to be a typo although I am not an expert on this. My first thought was where the tranny is at in terms of gear at 5MPH may hurt the performance as it has to downshift first when you bang it and maybe this hurts the time?
These numbers just don't seem compatible. I suspect the HP number is waaay off. Wallace Racing esitmates 530HP. Wallace may not be 100% accurate, but it's a data point.
Power: 420 hp @ 6400 rpm
Curb weight: 4255 lb
Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.1 sec @ 115 mph
C/D observed: 14 mpg
Wow, this thread oozes of sore loser. I would think this car will smack the 550 in the face hard performance wise given that Audi need to put significant distance between it and the 3.0T. Does that make me want one? No, since handling seem to possibly be as bad or worse than the F10 in terms of feel and cornering grip plus it's very boring looking. As usual we need to drive the car to know for sure but I'm not hopeful given the skidpad number that is very close to the F10.
Launch control along with AWD, it may be possible to get those numbers. But comparing it to the M5? c'mon now, look at the 5-60 numbers. It may be faster than the 550I, so are many other cars, who cares. I bought the 550i because of the overall package. I find the 550I with m-sport package very sexy.
The S6 is a nice looking car. Personally, I think it more of a looker than the F10. If the F10 has the M-sport package, then I would say its about a tie. Accelaration wise, the 550i is about the same as S6, but the BMW handles better. I like the S6's interior better than 550i, so basically, its a toss up. I think the price is pretty similar too if you option a 550i up to the option level of the S6.
The S6 is a nice looking car. Personally, I think it more of a looker than the F10. If the F10 has the M-sport package, then I would say its about a tie. Accelaration wise, the 550i is about the same as S6, but the BMW handles better. I like the S6's interior better than 550i, so basically, its a toss up. I think the price is pretty similar too if you option a 550i up to the option level of the S6.
The M3 has been measured sub 4s 0-60 with similar hp. The S6 weighs a bit more but has awd and much more torque. I doubt the 3.7s is an easily obtainable number that can be put down consistently but it doesn't seem impossible that it's a best of many figure. It could of course also be fudged or a typo, we'll know better as more tests are released.
Decaf, I think dunderhi's car is almost 500 lbs heavier and is lacking launch control. Those are big disadvantages. Than add Audi's quattro that I think could be superior in this type of launches. Also take a look at the GT-R's weight and power and the 2.9s it achieves with launch control. I'm not saying that the 3.7s is clean just that it's not for sure it's wrong.
That 0-60 is definitely a product of the launch control....works well on cars with AWD and forced induction. It's the same thing that happened when the TTRS was tested using the Euro-spec launch control and DSG that isn't available in the US...the 0-60 was shockingly low but the car wasn't any faster than its competitors on the track or with rolling runs.
For this S6, the 5-60 and 60-100 times of 4.9 and 5.5 seconds shows us exactly where its real-world performance will be: slightly faster than a stock 550i, as expected given the power and weight.
For this S6, the 5-60 and 60-100 times of 4.9 and 5.5 seconds shows us exactly where its real-world performance will be: slightly faster than a stock 550i, as expected given the power and weight.
There's no denying that Audi has given the S6 a formidable arsenal of dragstrip weaponary. A powerful highly tunable FI engine, awd and a DCT with launch control. BMW do currently not offer that combination in any sedan. I can see this becoming a favourite platform for dragstrip enthusiasts like dunderhi. Does it matter much to the rest of us, no probably not at all. Personally I couldn't care less if my car runs from 0-60 in 3.5s or 4.5s but I think it's rather petty to just dismiss the numbers as faulty and not give Audi some kudos for pushing the performance envelope. This will benefit all of you who are enarmoured with straight line performance. With the N63 BMW has the platform to respond if they choose. Depending how this plays out they could even feel the need to offer a DCT in a M performance version ( different from an M version. It's getting confusing with all the M types ) of the F10. And if they do that they could even offer a more performace oriented suspension. I love it when new cars of any make pushes the envelope and if they are better than my car even better, gives me a chance to trade up when it's time instead of risking to be dissapointed.
However, I'm not feeling the S6 at this moment, I don't like the styling and I'm highly skeptical about the athleticism of the chassi/suspension and precision and feedback in the steering after having driven the new A6 and S4.
I agree with you completely here. The current A6 with the 310 hp engine has run a 4.7 second 0-60 in tests I have read. I have no reason to doubt that with over 100 more hp that is is going to be very impressive if acceleration is important. I'm not going to lie, I love speed. But I have to love the overall car as well.
I haven't visited this forum for a while so it was appalling to read some of the comments on this thread. People accuse the OP of being a troll because he posted something they don't like :tsk:
0-60 in 3.7s is definitely possible for a 420HP AWD car with launch control. It is very well-documented that the 4000 lbs Nissan GT-R with 485HP runs 0-60 in 3 seconds, as fast as 638HP Corvette ZR1. That's the beauty of all wheel drive.
(The Vette does have faster 1/4 mile time and trap speed. This is where AWD loses its advantage).
Remember guys, competition is good for consumers. Hopefully, this will force BMW to up the ante with the next refresh.
People here love to turn a blind eye to the competition, no matter how good it is. Audi (and Lexus) finally have a solid contender in this segment and all the BMW fanboys are doing is trashing them, when they know full well, that the 5 series isn't the benchmark it used to be. If anything, it went from being the best to the back of the pack with the E Class, in terms of driving pleasure.
I'd have been far more impressed if this car was offered side-by-side the 550 launch, but it wasn't. This came after Audi saw the competition, and might have bested it (until we see officially), with launch control. It's a step forward as with most cars that come years after another, and maybe it's a gotcha! moment for Audi, but I'll never view it as such.
The thing with Audis 4.0T engine is that it also can be tuned to 520hp. It is entirely possible they use the S8 version of the engine for the journalist model.
Yes absolutely. I find it surprising you don't believe that. The variance in testing times on the A6 V6 model is very striking. It raises questions.
But honestly, I don't want to talk about Audis with you. You are generally a great forum member, but when it comes to discussing Audis with you, you have a blindspot in your Johari's window.
Consumer Reports is the only source of auto reviews where the cars tested are purchased, anonymously, from dealers and also the only auto publication which does not accept advertising. Folks have mixed and polarized opinions on CR, but they at least buy the cars they review the same way that we buy them.
I know this is an old discussion, but... The S6 has been dyno'd at 480 horsepower and 464 foot pounds of torque stock. A "tune only" brings those numbers to 560/580 on 93 octane.
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