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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:11 AM
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never saw a 3 coupe do this

Place 3rd in a test!!!!!

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...vs_rivals.html
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:24 AM
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Tough competition, and they didn't like the styling. I'm waiting for the EVO review/comparison.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:03 AM
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This was just posted in 1Addicts. I expect a long, flame-filled thread...
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:15 AM
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It isn't all negative:

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To put its performance in perspective, that's in the same league as the Porsche Cayman S and Aston Martin V8 Vantage. Unsurprisingly, the Audi and VW were left trailing behind.

Even more impressive than the engine's top-end urge is its flexibility and responsiveness. There's no lag, hesitation or gaps in a powerband that's perhaps the broadest of any engine. Peak torque of 400Nm arrives at 1,300rpm, and it's maintained all the way to 5,000rpm.

In daily driving conditions, this means sixth gear pulls hard from 35mph, plus there is never any need to change down and fuel consumption isn't excessive. We rate this as the best real-world engine available today

And I disagree with the writers on the styling. In my mind it looks much better than the GTI.

The real surprise is the complaints about ride and handling. The 135i is larger and heavier, so I could believe worse tight track performance. Top Gear review of the 130i hatch vs. the R32 gave VW the win. I didn't expect to see vague and bounced around though.

Have to wait for more reviews and a personal test drive.
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:15 AM
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Did you notice all the VAG advertising????
- methinks a little bias showing....
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:25 AM
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the 1 has gotten poor reviews (sedan an hatchback), from the euro press for years.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:36 AM
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Did you notice all the VAG advertising????
- methinks a little bias showing....
Not at all, it's contextual advertising. Right now the review pages are showing a bunch of BMW 1 Series commercials.
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Old 11-07-2007, 09:37 AM
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Very surprising rank by the 1 coupe! And from the sounds of the intro, BMW never fares well in Auto Express comparos. Maybe BMW doesn't spend enough advertising money with them.
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Old 11-07-2007, 10:58 AM
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What stunned me was that a 135i in England pays $7,692.80 in taxes every fricking year...
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:41 AM
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What stunned me was that a 135i in England pays $7,692.80 in taxes every fricking year...
Only if you got given the car as part of your compensation and benefits package, which is much more common in the UK than the US. A percentage of the car's value is treated as income and taxed at the marginal rate (and rates can also vary based on emissions etc.) This specific tax wouldn't apply if you bought the car independently.
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Very surprising rank by the 1 coupe! And from the sounds of the intro, BMW never fares well in Auto Express comparos. Maybe BMW doesn't spend enough advertising money with them.
I never buy that magazine because it's all advertising. CAR and Evo are superior.
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Its weird if you read reviews they did on the E90 & E92 chassis they said it had exceptional handling. But they didn't like the 135i chassis. Every other mag or press has been saying the complete opposite. The previous 1-series in Europe must have left a really bad taste in their mouth. They said the Golf interior is on par with the 135i, now that is funny, LOL. Jermey Clarkson hated on the Audi TT.
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Old 11-07-2007, 05:12 PM
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Short wheelbase + runflat tires and stiff suspension is going to make the ride choppy. UK has terrible roads, so maybe the car isn't well suited to their roads.
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Short wheelbase + runflat tires and stiff suspension is going to make the ride choppy. UK has terrible roads, so maybe the car isn't well suited to their roads.
Yep you are probably right.

When is BMW going to realize that runflats suck a big one? Most everyone ends up replacing them.
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Old 11-08-2007, 08:12 AM
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Short wheelbase + runflat tires and stiff suspension is going to make the ride choppy. UK has terrible roads, so maybe the car isn't well suited to their roads.
Are Southern New England/Metro NY/NJ roads any better?

Have not been to the Boston/Bay Area in a while but it seems they are often no better.

The winter messes up the roads big time
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Old 11-09-2007, 07:30 AM
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Its weird if you read reviews they did on the E90 & E92 chassis they said it had exceptional handling. But they didn't like the 135i chassis. Every other mag or press has been saying the complete opposite. The previous 1-series in Europe must have left a really bad taste in their mouth. They said the Golf interior is on par with the 135i, now that is funny, LOL. Jermey Clarkson hated on the Audi TT.
That's because the Golf interior is on par with the 1 series. Nothing funny about that - it's true. Not much of an insult, though (it's more of a jab at the price of the 1 series than the actual quality of its interior). VW/Audi have always done a top notch job with their interiors in terms of ergonomics and materials at a variety of price points.

As far as handling is concerned: a short wheelbase car with a taut suspension is going to be choppy and even touchy at times, as somebody else already pointed out. The 1 series does feel like a larger BMW for the most part (when cruising or otherwise driving normally), but you shouldn't expect it to behave or perform just like the longer wheelbase E9X cars when pushed.

The 1er has fared poorly in European reviews because it is overpriced and impractical relative to much of the direct competition (e.g. Golf/A3, various offerings from the French and Italian manufacturers, MB B-class). Hatchbacks are the European equivalent of an SUV or large family sedan, so those factors will weigh in significantly when the car is evaluated. Remember that even when Top Gear compared the two (a performance oriented show to be sure), Clarkson remarked that even though the 130i was more fun than the R32 when pushed, it had too many design flaws otherwise and therefore was the inferior car.
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That's because the Golf interior is on par with the 1 series. Nothing funny about that - it's true. Not much of an insult, though (it's more of a jab at the price of the 1 series than the actual quality of its interior). VW/Audi have always done a top notch job with their interiors in terms of ergonomics and materials at a variety of price points.
Umm, did you look at the photos in the article. If they think these interiors are similar quality thats funny. My buddy has a new Gti with leather, but it doesn't look like these crappy cloth seats in the Gti pictures.

It looks like they cut up some Scottish kilts and made seat covers. Gave me a good laugh.

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Dealers out here don't give bimmers as loaners unless you have a 5+. Lowly 3-series owners have to get buy with late-model camrys as a courtesy car.
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:23 AM
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Dealers out here don't give bimmers as loaners unless you have a 5+. Lowly 3-series owners have to get buy with late-model camrys as a courtesy car.
When I take my E36 in I usually get an X3.
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:44 AM
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When I take my E36 in I usually get an X3.
Out of curiosity: why are you taking an out-of-warranty car to a dealership for service?
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Out of curiosity: why are you taking an out-of-warranty car to a dealership for service?

Oddly enough, to save money


My regular mechanic was at his wits end chasing an emissions fault and suggested that I take it to the dealership. It took two trips for them to finally get it fixed, but they only charged me for the first trip

Based upon that experience, I highly recommend United BMW of Atlanta.
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Oddly enough, to save money


My regular mechanic was at his wits end chasing an emissions fault and suggested that I take it to the dealership. It took two trips for them to finally get it fixed, but they only charged me for the first trip

Based upon that experience, I highly recommend United BMW of Atlanta.
Hit or miss, it seems. I wouldn't trust either of the local dealerships here to fix anything without breaking something else and overcharging me in the process...
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:07 AM
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my CPO E46 got me an X3 as loaner one time and in a Camry the 2nd time (it was an unscheduled stop when the clutch went out at 46k miles and they were out of loaners so they rented me a Hertz car).

My new Z4 has not gone in to service yet, so no loaners.
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