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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 04-30-2010, 10:58 AM
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Loose gas cap has triggered Service Engine light

When will it go away? Is there anything I can do? Your expertise is appreciated!
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yes. drive the car 40 or 50 miles(doesnt have to be at one time) then should cycle and turn off.
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yes. drive the car 40 or 50 miles(doesnt have to be at one time) then should cycle and turn off.
That happened to me last year. After replacing the gas cap, the light went off after about 3 days later.
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That happened to me last year. After replacing the gas cap, the light went off after about 3 days later.
where did you get the replacement cap...?...and how much.....about 25.00 on eBay for OEM cap....

my Service Engine Light has come of for the second time now due to the filler cap...
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Old 04-30-2010, 12:54 PM
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You'll have to go thru one of the four drive cycles below for whichever "Evaluated" part of the emissions system the fuel filler cap falls under. If after going thru the drive cycle, the issue no longer exists...then the light will go off. If the problem remains...then the light will stay illuminated:

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There is an 0 ring on the cap that seals up with the tank--I had my light coming on from time to time a few years back. I made the fix that still works for me by doing the following. Carefully remove the 0 ring from the cap. There is a cupped outer edge of the ring that I used black permatex gasket silicone--sensor safe by the way. I carfully filled that whole outer edge of the 0 ring with the permatex --then let it set up over night.
Put the 0 ring back on the cap the next day--cleared the code with my code scanner--and it's never been on again. Over 4 years now with that fix.
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I used black permatex gasket silicone--sensor safe by the way. I carfully filled that whole outer edge of the 0 ring with the permatex --then let it set up over night. .
just happen to have this on hand....gonna give it a shot...thx for the DIY.....
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I believe that you can buy a new O-ring.
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I just picked up a new (16 11 1 184 731) Fuel Tank Cap.
This new one has done away w/ the oring. THere's now a large rubber donut gasket instead of the o-ring. & cap comes with a 4" tether line to keep it captive to the door lid.

Bought it local. Ordered it at 10am, p/up at noon. Paid $20.09, incl tax.
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Yep--you can buy a new 0 ring--I've even looked the part # up a time or tow--but with the permatex fix
the original 0 ring is strengthened and works well enough for me ---so far LOL---probably be the next thing to go
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.. Just wondering, what Code/s did you get with the bad cap???

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.. Just wondering, what Code/s did you get with the bad cap???

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I'm curious myself. What code does come up for a loose gas cap?
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I'm curious myself. What code does come up for a loose gas cap?
Do a google search using these search words: P0455 (Evaporative System Leak Detected - Large Leak)
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.. Just wondering, what Code/s did you get with the bad cap???

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The Peake BMW codes are as follows: Table 19 8F BM-TL Leak detected

Mine did this on Monday (first SES in over 14 months) so I just torqued the cap down (I too am due for a new one), reset the system and filled the tank. So far, no more codes.

This is yet another example of why you should have at least one decent code reader for these cars in your toolbox. Many go whole hog GT1 (as I may someday)
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Do a google search using these search words: P0455 (Evaporative System Leak Detected - Large Leak)
This thread intrigues me, especially as we have a "drive cycle" question still pending:
- When are E39 OBDII diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) & pending codes auto cleared?

For the team, I'm going to do an experiment with my 2002 E39.

I just pulled off my gas cap and put it on my garage shelf.

I haven't started the car yet, but I checked the codes and there were none before I did this so, starting from that point, l'll let you know how many miles it takes for whatever error to occur (I expect what QSilver7 said to be the case ... as he is infallible ... but let's see).

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I too, desire to "go whole hog" and get one of the "fancy schmancy" diagnostic scanners. Some day. Round tuit. Job. And all that.

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This thread intrigues me, especially as we have a "drive cycle" question still pending:
- When are E39 OBDII diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) & pending codes auto cleared?

For the team, I'm going to do an experiment with my 2002 E39.

I just pulled off my gas cap and put it on my garage shelf.

I haven't started the car yet, but I checked the codes and there were none before I did this so, starting from that point, l'll let you know how many miles it takes for whatever error to occur (I expect what QSilver7 to be the case ... but let's see).

Stay tuned ...


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I too, desire to "go whole hog" and get one of the "fancy schmancy" diagnostic scanners. Some day. Round tuit. Job. And all that.
Bluebee, one of reasons I signed up for this forum is your dogged determination to divine some kind of logic from what can seem a bewildering array of causes and effects, as exemplified in this thread and the "ABS-Traction Control" conundrum. Every time I read one of these threads, I think, "Thank God someone has the energy to pursue this."

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I just pulled off my gas cap and put it on my garage shelf.

I haven't started the car yet, but I checked the codes and there were none before I did this so, starting from that point, l'll let you know how many miles it takes for whatever error to occur (I expect what QSilver7 said to be the case ... as he is infallible ... but let's see).

Stay tuned ...
Blue...before the SES/CEL will illuminate...the system will need to set TWO fault codes. The first one can be pulled up as a pending code (if you hook up your scanner & you're drive cycle has been one that tests the EVAP emissions). Refer to the chart below...look at the first section on the left...it describes when the EVAP system is checked (cold engine start & idle for 2 min & 10 sec).



Again, after the second fault has been recorded...the light should illuminate. See the 2nd paragraph in the 3rd bullet in info below.


Your test results will be interesting...I await to see the outcome.
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My gas cap would not stay in the normal locked position when the cap was tight and when you normally turn beyond tight it will make a ratcheting click sound. When my cap failed it would not stay locked in the tight position and literally reverse itself a bit not keeping the lock or seal.

For my gas cap replacement the two codes generated by the check engine light were:
143 Tank Leak Detect. Major Leak
00250 undetermined code

new gas cap from BMW dealer $32.62 CDN

Pulled into our regular more than friendly Toyota dealer who scanned my BMW for free then within a minute diagnosed the leak problem described above for free. Amazing how great service can attract customers for life.
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My gas cap would not stay in the normal locked position when the cap was tight and when you normally turn beyond tight it will make a ratcheting click sound. When my cap failed it would not stay locked in the tight position and literally reverse itself a bit not keeping the lock or seal.

For my gas cap replacement the two codes generated by the check engine light were:
143 Tank Leak Detect. Major Leak
00250 undetermined code

new gas cap from BMW dealer $32.62 CDN

Pulled into our regular more than friendly Toyota dealer who scanned my BMW for free then within a minute diagnosed the leak problem described above for free. Amazing how great service can attract customers for life.
Did the new gas cap solve the problem? I'm having the same issues. Also, I have a 3 series as opposed to a 5 series. Any differences as far as gas cap's go?

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Good thing she didn't say "interregnum"
I had to look 'that' one up!

The gas cap, days later, is still off the car (in fact, I thought I put it on the shelf and now I can't find it).

Only this morning, on an errand, did 'any' warning show, and even then, it was 'only' the cluster alphanumeric display flashing "CHECK FILLER CAP" ever so surreptitiously.

What amazed me is that I then checked the OBDII DTCs and there were "NO CODES".

Unfortunately, I couldn't get to the camera in time (it was in the trunk), so, I'll have to keep the camera around my neck and report back when I do the next drive cycle.

The bad news is that if you forget your gas filler cap, it might be days before 'any' warning is displayed ... and even then, it's flashed only momentarily at best.
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...this morning, on an errand, did 'any' warning show, and even then, it was 'only' the cluster alphanumeric display flashing "CHECK FILLER CAP" ever so surreptitiously.

What amazed me is that I then checked the OBDII DTCs and there were "NO CODES".

Unfortunately, I couldn't get to the camera in time (it was in the trunk), so, I'll have to keep the camera around my neck and report back when I do the next drive cycle. ...
Did or do you have the status arrows illuminated on each side of the 20 digit alpha/numeric display? If so, just press the right button on the cluster, and it should bring up any Priority 2 warnings. If the status arrows aren't there...then I guess we'll have to wait for it to happen again and hopefully you can "safely" take a pic.
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I'll tell you my experience with this 'check engine light" ..

It came on and I thought it meant "oil change"... so I did that, several day after seeing it. I then reset the oil interval and the light didnt turn off... Then I learned what it was for. In the time that I saw the light and did the oil change, I did get a fuel refill and found the cap to not be tighten properly. So, by the time I did the oil change and realized the CEL was not going to be fixed by the reset, I had been over 100 miles and nearly a week.

I went Autozone, who gave me the P0455 code read out, and refused to reset it for me. So I hung in there for a few more days and another 100 miles.. I opened the cap a few times, the CEL still did not turn off.

So, I got a friend to bring in his code reader and I manually turned it off. It has been 1500 miles and no more code...???? My research showed people waiting up to 2 weeks for that light to turn itself off.
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I haven't had a fuel filler cap on my Bimmer since I started this test about a month ago for the team. However, this has been a frustrating test for the team because of intertwined factors.

The main frustration is the fact that the drive cycle is not often run on its own (at least by my driving habits). Since I began this test, the CHECK FILLER CAP has lit up only three or four times in all those intervening weeks (using my normal driving habits).

One problem is that the CHECK FILLER CAP message is frustratingly momentary. As you know, I like to document results, generally with pictures ... so I was frustrated to no end because by the time I stopped the car to snap a picture, it would go away ... and not come back until the NEXT drive cycle was completed!

Following QSilver7's suggestion, it would be great if those two little arrows actually indicated this CHECK FILLER CAP message, but when I press the button as suggested by QSilver7, only my (known) WASHER FLUID LOW message shows up, no matter how often I press the little button.

Basically, here's what (seems to) happen without a fuel filler cap for weeks on end:
  1. Every week or so (under my normal drive actions), the BMW drive cycle is at a point where it senses the lack of a fuel filler cap.
  2. A warning 'ding' is heard while I'm turning or maneuvering the car in my constricted driveway.
  3. The CHECK FILLER CAP message is so momentary that you barely can see it if you're turning your steering wheel.
  4. By the time you stop to look, even if you were going only 5 miles per hour, the warning is gone.
  5. Typically, the warning happens again, within a few moments of resuming your drive out of the garage down the driveway; and yet again, it lasts barely a second or two before it's gone.
  6. Frustratingly, it does not reappear until the NEXT drive cycle (which could be a week or so later!).
  7. At some point (I haven't determined exactly when), the SES will light, and the DTC fault code will be P0455.
  8. P0455 on my engine computer (ECU: MS43, Engine: M54, from 01.09.01 till 31.08.02) is defined as "Evaporative Emission System Leak Detected (large leak)" ... which isn't surprising since I removed the gas cap.
  9. When I clear the P0455 fault code, the error sequence repeats within a week or two as described above (under my normal supermarket-and-coffee-shop shopping driving habits).
Here are pictures of the frustrating sequence, as best as I can record them during the month I've been running this test.


At some point, always in my garage or driveway, a DING is heard and the CHECK FILLER CAP appears for a frustrating second or two only!


Then, that CHECK FILLER CAP message goes away, leaving only these two arrows (you think - but that's wrong) and the SES to indicate the hidden message.


When I press the right instrument cluster button, I do NOT see the CHECK FILLER CAP message! I see only the WASHER FLUID LOW message.


This WASHER FLUID LOW message is known to me as it is due to a separate problem as shown in this thread below:
- Pre-winter inspection of my 2002 windshield washer system


Sadly, when I press again on the cluster right button, I see NO OTHER MESSAGE!

Clearly, I do NOT see "CHECK FILLER CAP" which is what I'd expect to see!
Unfortunately, that CHECK FILLER CAP is an ephemeral message; hard to get; and hard to read; and it lasts only a second or two; and it flashes when you're in the middle of negotiating your garage or driveway!


Looking at what triggered the SES each time (I've run this test two or three times now but with the same results), I see the enigmatic "P0455".


Now, YOU and I know that is telling me my fuel cap is missing; but looking it up properly, I find the following result for a P0455 on what I believe is my engine computer:
- Where are ENGINE-specific BMW P1xxx trouble codes anyway?
"Evaporative Emission System Leak Detected (large leak)"

In summary, please realize I like to be clear and scientific; but reporting on this test is anything but clear and scientific. I'm confused as to a few things:
  1. Why is the CHECK FILLER CAP message so ephemeral (lasting only seconds and not repeating like the WASHER FLUID LOW message does)?
    • You'd think they'd want you to KNOW your filler cap is missing the moment it's left on top of the gas station pump.
    • But, this test shows you won't know for a week or more!
  2. Where is my fuel filler cap anyway?
    • I seem to have lost it in the intervening weeks since starting this test?
    • I 'thought' I put it on the shelf; but it's not there!
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