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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 06-13-2010, 08:09 PM
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Akebono Euro review

So it's almost 1 month I mounted the Akebono pads together with Zimmermann cross-drilled rotors.
Impressions:
If the bite of the OEM Jurid on a scale from 1 to 10 is 10, then the Akebono Euro are probably 8.
On a scale from 1 to 10 concerning dust brake, Jurid are probably 4 or 5.
Akebono 9 or 10.
For the last 2 weeks we had only rain. And usually, the OEM combined with wetness will deposit not only the filthy black dust, but also a nast film like a slime (also black).
Well, surprise-surprise. My wheels were almost clean after this said month.
I washed the car & wheels today, so the observation I made, was that actually I had a whiteish powder on the wheels. This was noted only when I hosed off the wheels - that's when I noted they were a bit dull on the not wetted part. The white dust washes off sooooo easy!!! I was impressed. I can remember all the elbow grease every 2 weeks or so, and did I mention elbow grease?
It's a snap now. Sure, the initial bite is less than the Jurid (remember i believe it's 8), but once the brakes are warmed up, they feel almost like the OEM.
Now I will see how they will hold up. I know the Jurids didn't have a long life.
Now, here are some pics of the wheels after a spirited drive with lots of aggressive braking:

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Old 06-13-2010, 10:43 PM
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Good succinct review. Thank you!

Are the Akebonos quiet? Do you find it easy to compensate for the reduced bite by increasing the pressure?
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Old 06-13-2010, 11:04 PM
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Good succinct review. Thank you!

Are the Akebonos quiet? Do you find it easy to compensate for the reduced bite by increasing the pressure?
They are quiet, no problems. initial bite is a bit less than the OEM, so you would compensate by increasing the pedal pressue. Once the pads warm up, they feel almost like the OEM's. Easy to modulate. The loss of brake dust is stunning. usually I would start to see the black stuff in 2-3 days after a wash. If it rains, sometimes you would see it the same day. Not so with these.
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:55 PM
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I've been running the Akebono's now for about a month and I really didn't know what to think about them. I did notice the bite wasn't quite the same as the OEM pads but I have now gotten use to it and the stop just as well if not better. No dust to speak of on the wheels.
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Cool, nice review. I have the Axxis Deluxe pads and those bad boys are noisy. But I drive like grandma, slow and steady, so I know that contributes to the noise. I've been thinking of trying these next. Let us know if they develop any noise or problems. Thanks again.
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I have the Axxis Deluxe pads and those bad boys are noisy.
Interesting noise observation.

As per recommendations, I originally put on Jurid/Textar pads & Brembo rotors, then a month or so ago I put PBR Deluxe Advanced pads on the front (I used PBR because Axxis, I am told, is no longer is sold in the USA), and my next set will be the Akebono EUR### Ultra-Premium Ceramic pads.

As for noise, my PBR Deluxe Advanced pads (I'm told the PBR pads are the same as the Axxis Deluxe Advanced) have no noise to speak of. And, I also drive like a little old lady.

Interesting how we differ in noise experience given we have the same friction material.
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I put Axxis Deluxe pads on about 6 months ago. Virtually no dust, only a slightly less braking power and quiet until they get wet. I can't complain, I hated the black film within 2 days from the OEM pads.
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I put Axxis Deluxe pads on about 6 months ago. Virtually no dust, only a slightly less braking power and quiet until they get wet. I can't complain, I hated the black film within 2 days from the OEM pads.
As I mentioned, I drove through steady rain for the last 2 weeks and there was no noise and absolutely no reduction in braking power compared to dry conditions. - the Ake's Euro's. Again rain in the forecast..
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I'd be glad to help if anyone else would like to try a set of the Akebono pads. We also have some great deals on brake kits with these pads.
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Nice review. I've had similar experiences with both the Euros and the Axxis. I prefer the Euros overall. The Axxis would squeak periodically until rebedded.
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Nice review. I've had similar experiences with both the Euros and the Axxis. I prefer the Euros overall. The Axxis would squeak periodically until rebedded.
I forgot to mention that I did bed the brakes (as per Zeckhausen) - what a smell they had!!!!! Now I'm not sure if you really have to bed these ceramic pads..........
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Tire Rack states Akebonos don't need bedding. Just easy driving for the first couple hundred miles.
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I forgot to mention that I did bed the brakes (as per Zeckhausen) - what a smell they had!!!!! Now I'm not sure if you really have to bed these ceramic pads..........
Ha! I got that same smell!!!! I thought I had cooked my brakes!

BTW, nice wheels!
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Akebono rep told me no bedding needed. I replaced my OEM pads 1.5 years ago. The OEM pads were like new at the time. Less than 10K miles. I could not take the brake dust anymore. Akebono Euro will be used again when these are shot. 40K miles later though, less than 1/2 worn.
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i put my akebonos on about 3 weeks ago. i also had the jurid pads b4 the akebonos and brake dust was such a difference. i remember how much time i spent cleaning my rims every week. now its been about 3 and theres nothing there. But instead of the zimmeran cross drilled i just got the balo rotors
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This thread has good info about aftermarket pads versus OEM pads IMO.:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1261321

Here's another great thread:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho....php?p=5143655
Look at post #29.
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Jason you should be a salesman.....
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Jason you should be a salesman.....
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I have been told that before...
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I have been told that before...
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Akebono's are definitely top notch. They are, by far, the top selling pad. I bet over 90% of customers ask for them.

Personally, I still like to bed them. I like to get my pad seated to their rotors. A lot of manufacturers state their pads don't need bedded, but it usually seems to help establish a good wear pattern.
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A lot of manufacturers state their pads don't need bedding
Hi Jared,
The "science" of bedding, as I understand it (which may be the problem), actually "requires" bedding at the friction temperature of the pads so that a layer or three of pad material will evenly deposit itself for adherent friction onto the rotors.

If a manufacturer says the pads don't need bedding, how do they propose that layer of friction material is deposited?

Presumably the answer is "normal driving" but the heat of normal driving is not the same as 10 sequential 60-to-10mph stops ... so ... um ... do they "explain" how 'normal driving' achieves the necessary heat?

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Yep, I liked it.
The 3 series guys seem to consecutively like the Akebono's.
That is why I thought the Tire Rack reviews were weird.
Larger sedans seem to have more negative response from what I read...
Not that it means anything...
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Hi Jared,
The "science" of bedding, as I understand it (which may be the problem), actually "requires" bedding at the friction temperature of the pads so that a layer or three of pad material will evenly deposit itself for adherent friction onto the rotors.

If a manufacturer says the pads don't need bedding, how do they propose that layer of friction material is deposited?

Presumably the answer is "normal driving" but the heat of normal driving is not the same as 10 sequential 60-to-10mph stops ... so ... um ... do they "explain" how 'normal driving' achieves the necessary heat?

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Personally, I bed my brakes, even those that don't suggest you do.

If you like science, here's a question. Who is to say that bedding is good for all pad materials, or that it is necessary?

We all know that rotors wear, how do they expect the layer to stay on the pad? You don't bed your brakes every month do you? If that's the purpose of bedding then normal driving must also keep a layer on the rotor (if that layer even exists or is needed).

I don't see bedding as a way to transfer a layer of pad material. To me, bedding is the process by which we "mate" the pads to the rotors. When new, this establishes a good start for normalized wear and burns off all manufacturing residues and edges. Bedding after they are new is a good way to burn of pad deposits that cause vibrations and such. That's why I bed.
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how do they expect the layer to stay on the pad?
You got me there. I have no idea. ???
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Those threads are worthless. They're all of the same guy.
LOL!
I noticed that too.

However, IMO, I really do not think those threads really junk...
They are just opinions and experiences...
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