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Old 07-20-2010, 06:09 AM
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Engine of the Year Awards

What doe these awards mean? Personally, I value 1) engine reliability, 2) cost of use/maintenace, and 3) performance the most. Do these awards, of which BMW is seemingly winning quite a few, reflect such values??
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What awards? Where? From whom? For which engines?
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Among the award-winning power units at the world's most renowned engine competition were both petrol and diesel engines ... The victorious quartet consisted of the in-line 6-cylinder petrol engine with BMW TwinPower Turbo, direct injection and VALVETRONIC used in such vehicles as the BMW 1 Series, BMW 3 Series and BMW 5 Series...
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How is this 6-cyl Turbo (e.g. N54/N55) an award winning engine when this engine (or predessor) almost needed to be recalled due to major and widespread pump issues...?? Besides, the Turbo does not make an engine more reliable, in fact, there is a much higher chance that something breaks than an NA 6 liter.
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Old 07-20-2010, 06:07 PM
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In at least the US market, the N54 engine has been characterized by a very large number of High Pressure Fuel Pump (HPFP) failures, leading to many BMW NA vehicle Lemon Law "buy backs" and reduced customer goodwill. On some engines the HPFP was replaced four times within the first few years of service. BMW has instituted a 10-year, 120,000-mile (190,000 km) warranty on the part, but only for 2007, 2008 and 2009 model year vehicles with the N54 engine. Other model years, to include 2009 models, continue to report HPFP failures.
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The above engine has won both the 2007 and 2008 International Engine of the Year Awards. What a joke award!
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Among the award-winning power units at the world's most renowned engine competition were both petrol and diesel engines ... The victorious quartet consisted of the in-line 6-cylinder petrol engine with BMW TwinPower Turbo, direct injection and VALVETRONIC used in such vehicles as the BMW 1 Series, BMW 3 Series and BMW 5 Series...
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How is this 6-cyl Turbo (e.g. N54/N55) an award winning engine when this engine (or predessor) almost needed to be recalled due to major and widespread pump issues...?? Besides, the Turbo does not make an engine more reliable, in fact, there is a much higher chance that something breaks than an NA 6 liter.
Where was this written and by whom? Or are you making it up?
For that matter you are offering up quotes with no links to the quotes.

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Old 07-21-2010, 02:18 AM
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Where was this written and by whom? Or are you making it up?
For that matter you are offering up quotes with no links to the quotes.

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How about doing a little bit of search?

Instead of accusing him of making stuff up, just search "HPFP" on the 3er/5er/Z4 (N54 cars) forums, and you will see no shortage of people who've had multiple replacements of the HPFP.

Unless it was written by an official media outlet, it must not be true?
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DJ's right. And I also fail to see what the OP's point is. From his sig, it appears he does not own a car with an N54 / N55. So why the post on the F10 board? Just general BMW bashing and trollishness?

Are you saying you don't like the N54 / N55 engines? Or that you feel they are undeserving of the award? Or something else entirely?
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I think the awards are based on an engineering perspective. Not on any real life reliability etc.
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:53 AM
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Quotes are from WIKEPEDIA, search for BMW N54.
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Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N54
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How about doing a little bit of search?

Instead of accusing him of making stuff up, just search "HPFP" on the 3er/5er/Z4 (N54 cars) forums, and you will see no shortage of people who've had multiple replacements of the HPFP.

Unless it was written by an official media outlet, it must not be true?
I didn't accuse anybody of anything, I asked for a reference for his source of information. And I don't need a NOOB or you to tell me about the HPFP issue. At least I have one.

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Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles
That means anybody can throw crap in there and call it gospel. Not necessarily the best source of information.
Quoting Wikipedia is fine for what it is but that is not the information I questioned.

"How is this 6-cyl Turbo (e.g. N54/N55) an award winning engine when this engine (or predessor) almost needed to be recalled due to major and widespread pump issues...

Did you see the part in BOLD, That's what you made up. It is mentioned NOWHERE in your WIKI reference.

And Quit Shouting.

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@DJFitter:

And what's your point???

I am questioning the '07 and '08 awards for the N54 engine since this engine experienced apparent HPFP issues (you yourself had one as you stated).

If you have a comment with substance, please bring forward, otherwise save your crap to yourself.
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Old 07-25-2010, 03:43 AM
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I didn't accuse anybody of anything, I asked for a reference for his source of information. And I don't need a NOOB or you to tell me about the HPFP issue. At least I have one.
Sure, you did accuse of manufacturing stories. Stop being so condescending on new folks. I am sure you were a "NOOB" in 2007 and probably wouldn't have appreciated someone calling you that.


Evidence #1: BMW's own SIBs on HPFP

http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/b130308g.htm
http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/b130208g.htm


Evidence #2: BMW extending warranty on HPFP to 10 years/120,000 miles

If the N54 didn't have an HPFP issue, why would BMW go the extra mile of extending the warranty of N54-based vehicles?


Evidence #3
: Class-action law suit filed against BMW

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2009/12/ca_bmw.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17233560/Bmw-Law-Suit-Hpfp
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IMO these engine awards are only about performance or efficiency. There's nothing about reliability/value that's taken into account, because to have such information you have to have a reasonable amount of history.

BMW wins some these awards because they produce excellent motors, but it's too early to know if the new ones will last, especially with BMW's 15K mile oil change program.
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Dude, look up "N54 HPFP failures" under this/F10 forums and the net, you will be overwhelmed by the amount of threads you will find.

But even better, do yourself and me a favor, and move on. If you are still not getting what I'm referring to (having noted more than once what I am questioning), than I can't help you.
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Dude, look up "N54 HPFP failures" under this/F10 forums and the net, you will be overwhelmed by the amount of threads you will find.

But even better, do yourself and me a favor, and move on. If you are still not getting what I'm referring to (having noted more than once what I am questioning), than I can't help you.
JANE, YOU IGNORANT ****.
One more time, it's not what you are questioning but what you are stating about a RECALL THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
I've been on the 'fest since '07 and own a perfectly performing N54 engined car and you think I haven't read the threads on HPFP failure.
You seem to think that all you read here is indicative of every N54 engined car owner in the world. It's not. Threads have been started with HPFP in the title and it wasn't even what was wrong with the car. it turned out to be injectors. Not everything you read is true, just like your "almost needed to be recalled due to major and widespread pump issues." crap. Support that statement if you can. But you can't can you? That's why you keep avoiding answering it when I keep asking.
YOU MADE IT UP!!!!!!

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