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Old 07-23-2010, 11:36 AM
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How to get an e 39 to out perform a e60

Hello newbi here. I just sold my jeep srt 8 and am looking to get into a m5. I was wondering if you could help me in my search. I am looking to stay under $40 g's and have better performance than the jeep. I like the e39 body as much as the e 60, but perfer the performance of the e 60. What do I need to do to out perform the newer e 60. Thanks Rob.
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my 2 cents. (if you do not have the M5)Unless you have deep pocket, start with and M3. More parts out there for the car, more of everything. With a little looking about you fan find one for a good price.
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Old 03-05-2011, 05:34 PM
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get a 540 sport with supercharger and mods custom dual exhaust etc...m5 body kit possibly seats door panels.. thats what i did and have 99 540 steptronic.you be faster than e39m5 and close to e60m5 .best bang for money
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get a 540 sport with supercharger and mods custom dual exhaust etc...m5 body kit possibly seats door panels.. thats what i did and have 99 540 steptronic.you be faster than e39m5 and close to e60m5 .best bang for money
1. It still isn't an m5.

2. As the title of the thread asks, it doesn't not 'out perform' an e60 m5

3. It isn't an m5

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Old 03-28-2013, 10:41 AM
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according to top gear the e60 m5 barely outperforms the e39 m5. we are talking about .8 of a second faster lap time. 1:26.2 vs 1:27.0
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1. It still isn't an m5.

2. As the title of the thread asks, it doesn't not 'out perform' an e60 m5

3. It isn't an m5

100% correct!

First, you have to get that almost everything you read on here is someones opinion. Many of them are valuable but don't make the mistake of taking them as facts. Go drive some cars. The one that fits you just right will show up pdq. Don't drive just one, take some time and drive a couple of each model year you are interested in. That's the only way you will know what feels best and what you want.

I started with an E39 528 sport. I thought that was a great car, and it is, until you try to accelerate from 80 to much more than that. I drove an E39 540 sport. It was like a faster version of the 528.

Then, I drove an E39 M5 (and bought it!). To quote the guy from the show Wheeler Dealer when they did the 2000 M5 episode, "If there is one thing you do before you die, drive an M5!"

Words can not do justice to the thrill I get every time I get behind the wheel of my car. IMO, the opinion of the magazine gurus who tested them in 2000 and everyone I have met so far that owns one, the E39 M5 is the greatest blend of refinement and raw power that has ever been draped in the cloak of a family sedan. Seriously, it has 400 HP, 400 ft lbs of torque, gets to 100 as fast as a Corvette, and my wife drives it to Costco with two kids in the back.

The thing I changed on the car that made a tremendous difference is switching out to a UUC lightweight flywheel and kevlar clutch. The car was fast before, but the acceleration now is much quicker. So quick in fact that I had trouble for the first few weeks catching 2nd gear before I hit the rev limiter. It's impossible to get through first without smoking the tires, 2nd spins a little and third chirps easily.

There is nothing wrong with the E60 M5 unless you don't like the interior or the exterior. Those are the biggest complaints I have heard about the car.

As for starting with an M3 instead of buying an M5? That makes as much sense as a fat chick on a scooter. There isn't anything really wrong with it, but that doesn't make it right.

You can buy a 100K mile E39 M5 for $15K Get an inspection done by an independent shop that does a lot of M5 work or by someone who really knows the cars. The short list of things that can be wrong with the will set you back a couple of grand.

After you buy one join the M5board then go get the muffler delete done. You will be in love!

Oh, speaking of the M5board, go ask your questions there. Then you will get feedback from people who own and drive the cars.

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Old 07-09-2013, 07:51 AM
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Oh, I forgot to mention, the guy who posted above me is smoking crack!

The E39 M5 has the S62 engine. My E39 M5 costs about $50K less than your 535 and drives much better! Do they even make that car in a stick? How do you float your clutch on a launch?

It says a lot about a car when Business week reviews it. It says even more about tit when they liken it to a 7 series but emphasis that it gets good gas milage. Those were never words used to describe the M5.

Bring your 535 to Greenville on the 20th. We are having a mountain run. It will give you a chance to see several M5's pulling away from you at once.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/usa...ntain-run.html
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:45 AM
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Start here to compare. I built a spreadsheet that has every E39 M5 for sale across the country under $20k. It includes prices, miles, ownership records and more. Definitely join up at M5 Board too. Tons of information.
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Thanks

I really liked your list it's been helpful in sorting out the good from the bad and being able to see them all together is great .I've looked at a couple you had listed that where near me but I've got a few more to see before I make a choice.Hopefully I'll get it done in the next 2 or 3 weeks. Good luck with your new Beast I hope it's great fun and trouble free.
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My E60 535i can easily beat a E39 M5...

Nowadays the twin turbo is rocking... If you ever wanna get a car that can match with a E60 M5 or F10 M5, get a twin turbo and mod it..

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.. If you ever wanna get a car that can match with a E60 M5 or F10 M5, get a twin turbo and mod it..

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Uh, Im confused....why not just buy the F10 M5????

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Uh, Im confused....why not just buy the F10 M5????

If you can afford 110+K ..
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My E60 535i can easily beat a E39 M5...

Nowadays the twin turbo is rocking... If you ever wanna get a car that can match with a E60 M5 or F10 M5, get a twin turbo and mod it..

All the best..
No matter how fast you make it, it still has bangle butt gone wrong....

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No matter how fast you make it, it still has bangle butt gone wrong....

Do you expect all super cars and tuned cars to be error free, we have tons of people in N54 forum who has 100K miles on their FBO car with no issues.... You need to drive one to experience it...
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My E60 535i can easily beat a E39 M5...
Yeah. This I'd like to see.

Edit: E60 535i is a full second slower than E39 M5 0-60
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Yeah. This I'd like to see.

Edit: E60 535i is a full second slower than E39 M5 0-60
http://www.zeroto60times.com/BMW-Bim...mph-Times.html

Mark- I am talking an E60 535i (FBO= Full bolts On) with Larger Front mount intercooler, Larger downpipes, Charge Pipe and Cobb Stage 2 tuning..

My buddy Xclone here has done 0-60 in 4 sec.. Check that out..

http://m.5series.net/showthread.php?t=117070&page=4

You are comparing a stock 535i..
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How to get an e 39 to out perform a e60

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My E60 535i can easily beat a E39 M5...


Nowadays the twin turbo is rocking... If you ever wanna get a car that can match with a E60 M5 or F10 M5, get a twin turbo and mod it..

All the best..
EDIT: Oops, I should really read all the posts in the thread, before commenting. Sorry...

I'm sorry, but I doubt your car can beat an E39, unless its chipped.. Assuming you have the newest e60.

e39 specs
weight
Kerb weight 1,826 kg (4,026 lb)
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I6 twin turbo, 7,000 rpm redline, 394 horsepower and 369 lb-ft of torque.

2008-2010 e60 535i
Weight
Kerb weight 1,660 kg (3,659 lb)
Power
N/A V8, 5,800 rpm redline, 306 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque.

So I think the M5 would beat you in a straight line. Also, I think he would beat you on a track. Not only that, if you talk mods.. Don't forget the M5 doesn't even have FI yet.


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Let the engine breathe. Weapon Type-R Exhaust is a good start. K&N Cold Air Intake , GForce Power Chip , E3 plugs and all Synthetic Fluids should get you close. Tweeks on air flow make cars fast. Air intake and exhause should be close to the same spot across car. The idea is to get air through car asap then add enough fuel and fire to keep up.
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Let the engine breathe. Weapon Type-R Exhaust is a good start. K&N Cold Air Intake , GForce Power Chip , E3 plugs and all Synthetic Fluids should get you close. Tweeks on air flow make cars fast. Air intake and exhause should be close to the same spot across car. The idea is to get air through car asap then add enough fuel and fire to keep up.
You have no clue WTF you are talking about.

I do agree that improving the 'air pumping efficiency' is the key to power.... but your suggestions demonstrate a deep ignorance as to the state of the art on the E39 M5.

A K&N cold air kit will LOWER performance. And exhaust adds NOTHING.

Short of a supercharger you cannot get at E39 to outperform at E60. Even a Dinan S2 wont do it.

Oh, 'synthetics'...please
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You have no clue WTF you are talking about.

I do agree that improving the 'air pumping efficiency' is the key to power.... but your suggestions demonstrate a deep ignorance as to the state of the art on the E39 M5.

A K&N cold air kit will LOWER performance. And exhaust adds NOTHING.

Short of a supercharger you cannot get at E39 to outperform at E60. Even a Dinan S2 wont do it.

Oh, 'synthetics'...please
Volumetric Efficiency is not the key to power, but merely the potential for power. Fuel and fuel delivery, and by that I mean a high flow fuel delivery system (fuel lines, pump, filter, regulator, and injectors. You would also need to reprogram the DME for the added fuel delivery efficiency. By then once you added the air intake, you will definitely pass the E60 but not a gas station.

Good luck though
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