Transmission fluid and filter change

Hello all,
I am trying to find out if its time to do a automatic Tranny and filter change. I bought the X3 2005 at about 70,000 km pre owned. After a lot of highway travels I now have 140,000 km. Since buying the car I have not done any transmission fluid or filter changes. No real tranny problems other than the the fact that as with age most auto trannies get sluggish.. In any case, could ppl chime in here on their experience with changing the tranny fluid and filter and what I might expect in terms of performance improvements etc. Approximate costs would help as well. Thanks.
Ragamuffin

I have an 2004 X3 and have similar concerns. I spoke to a BMW dealer and two independent BMW shops and all three mechanics said do not change the tranny oil or filter unless something is amiss (poor shifting or leaking fluid).

I think that if changing fluid causes a worn tranny to stop working it was probably close anyway. If it were mine I would change it/have it changed. You're not getting all the old fluid out anyway unless you get it flushed through one of the cooler lines. The real benefit is getting the pan cleaned out, the ability to see whats on the magnets, and a new filter. My suggestion is to drain the fluid, drop and clean the pan, replace the filter, and top it off. I wouldn't bother flushing it. Any transmission shop can do this. If it were me, and I weren't having it done at a dealer, I would buy the filter from the dealer and take it with me.

As for the fluid... I like Redline and run their MTL in my 6 speed manual. If you have any questions you can contact them. They are usually pretty good about getting back with you.

http://www.redlineoil.com/news_article.aspx?id=13

Re ATF .What about just changing fluid every 40-50,000km.It seems like changing the filter is a lot of work for a DIY ??? I think this would be better than nothing ,afterall they say it is "LIFETIME"

First, I don't think you'll see any performance improvements from changing transmission fluid. It's common knowledge, BMW says their fluid is lifetime. Perhaps that's legitimate, perhaps is related to the fact that they have a maintenance free program for the first 50k miles and with fluid at $25 per liter, the cost would add up pretty fast.

I think the consensus is that you can't harm the car by changing the fluid. I would definitely change it at 75-100k miles but it's not something you have to do with the frequency of an oil change.

I just changed the fluid in my M5 this spring and will probably change the fluid in my X3 next year.

The next big discussion topic is always what to use for fluid. Many like Redline, Mobil1, and Royal Purple. Rather than losing any sleep over it, I chose to go back with the OEM fluid. I probably wouldn't go to the effort of trying to change the filter unless I were going into the tranny for maintenance reasons.

Originally Posted by bimmernut1

First, I don't think you'll see any performance improvements from changing transmission fluid. It's common knowledge, BMW says their fluid is lifetime. Perhaps that's legitimate, perhaps is related to the fact that they have a maintenance free program for the first 50k miles and with fluid at $25 per liter, the cost would add up pretty fast.

I think the consensus is that you can't harm the car by changing the fluid. I would definitely change it at 75-100k miles but it's not something you have to do with the frequency of an oil change.

I just changed the fluid in my M5 this spring and will probably change the fluid in my X3 next year.

The next big discussion topic is always what to use for fluid. Many like Redline, Mobil1, and Royal Purple. Rather than losing any sleep over it, I chose to go back with the OEM fluid. I probably wouldn't go to the effort of trying to change the filter unless I were going into the tranny for maintenance reasons.

I think if you go to the effort of changing the fluid, you should also drop the pan and change the filter. If nothing else, you can clean the magnets in the pan, replace the filter and do a quick visual on the internals.

I also read a lot about frequency. I almost have 71k on my X3 now. I will try and change it this fall but worse case in the spring. I just did a quick look-over on the X3 in preparation for the Inspection II and the entire vehicle looks very tight as far as leaks and all the rubber boots and the drive belt look in excellent shape. Rotated my tires also and checked the brakes. They will probably go to 100k miles (they were changed under warranty which helped a lot)!

I've enjoyed reading this thread in regards to BMW's B***S**T theory on their "lifetime" Fluid. About 10K miles back, around 80K Miles the 2006 330ZHP started getting a little funky on the shifting and was also making a "Growling Noise". The better half dropped by the dealer (we have probably the WORST RIP OFF DEALER in the country, here in Bend, Oregon!) and they drove it around the lot and told her it was time for a $7,300.00 transmission! AND they told her it was going to be an additional $2,300.00 for a new rack an pinion steering gear!

She called me and I told her to take it home and "park it".

Couple days later, I'm back in town and decide to service the transmission myself. Not much to lose I figured.....A few hundred bucks and if it's still FUBAR - then it's transmission time.

Lucky for me, I was able to procure a T-Tech Trans Flush Machine (BTW - I'm a total gearhead on this end - have to have my toys in my home shop)

Dropped the pan, cleaned it out, installed new filter, buttoned it up and topped off the trans with Red Line D4. Next, I loaded up the T-Tech with the 18 quarts of D4 and hooked up. The trans cooler lines are a snap! Just push then on a little further, then reach up and gently push the plastic clips up into the hose to release and pull the line off. "Voila" - you are unhooked. Very similar in design to ford Fuel Injection lines. Did the flush of the trans.

Next, I unhooked the return line to the Power steering reservoir and did a 7 quart flush there. Fluid exchanges QUICKLY, so be johnny on the spot to crank the wheel from stop to stop a couple times to flush all the old out. Again, Used Red Line for this.

Ever since this was done, all transmission issues have vanished, steering is perfect and quiet.

All in All, I spent the following:

T-Tech Trans Machine from Craigslist: $500.00
3 Cases of Red Line D4 ATF @ $120.00/case: $360.00
Trans Filter Kit from ECS Tuning: $24.00
Total Expendature for this project: $884.00

THEN

RESOLD the T-Tech on Craigslist for: $1,000.00.

FOUND 2 More T-Tech on Craigslist for: $250.00 each for a total of $500.00. Sold One for $500.00 and am keeping the last one for my home shop!

So with a little patience, perseverance and wheeling and dealing, I was able to service the vehicle (as well as several of my other vehicles) with little to no cost out of pocket.

Had I listened to the service vultures here at Carerra Motors here in Bend, I would have shelled out $9,600.00

So my advice? If at all possible, if you can do this stuff yourself - DO IT!

For those of you who live up around my area, look me up. I'm the "Central Oregon Regional Events Coordinator" (Translation - "A Highly Paid Volunteer Position!) for the newly formed BMWCCA Oregon Chapter! .....

Just got a question about the 2004 X3 auto transmission on a 3.0i gasoline engine - does anyone know if it is a GM auto or ZF auto? Also, is the BMW OEM fluid the same for these two transmissions or are the fluids different?

Thanks in advance!

It's a GM (France) transmission.

The required fluid is indicated on a colored decal/plate attached to the casing.
You can't make any assumptions - not necessarily the same fluid as in other BMW A/T's,
and might vary year to year, or even within a model year.

I've had my 2005 X3 for three years and my extended warranty hs expired. I've serviced every car I've owned but this one is giving me a fit. I have a problem changing the tranny fluid. The check/add resevoir remains full after draining the fluid. How do I get it to empty allowing me to add the fluid? Sounds a little stupid, I know, but don't want to screw up.

I did the auto trans fluid change and the old fluid was black like used engine oil. So it was definitely a worthwhile exercise to get the fluid replaced.

My next task is the x-drive transfer case fluid.

Originally Posted by James Hamilton

I've had my 2005 X3 for three years and my extended warranty hs expired. I've serviced every car I've owned but this one is giving me a fit. I have a problem changing the tranny fluid. The check/add resevoir remains full after draining the fluid. How do I get it to empty allowing me to add the fluid? Sounds a little stupid, I know, but don't want to screw up.

There is no reservoir for the tranny.You are checking the power steering fluid.
It also uses ATF.
You have to refill the tranny from underneath the car.There is a refill plug as well as the drain plugI think approx.6 qts.but check for sure.

Originally Posted by ncord

There is no reservoir for the tranny.You are checking the power steering fluid.
It also uses ATF.
You have to refill the tranny from underneath the car.There is a refill plug as well as the drain plugI think approx.6 qts.but check for sure.

Thanks for that bit of information. I was confused by the fact ATF is stamped on the top of the reservoir. I really appreciate the fact I had the extended warranty on the car. I didn't have to worry about this but I can't see dropping the kind of money they want for changing the fluids since the warranty has expired. This is the first BMW I've had any dealings with and it had me puzzled for sure. You would think the owner's manual would at least tell you where to check and fill the transmission. I think I will invest in a service manual. Thanks again.

Hi James,

Just out of curiosity, what was the condition/colour of the old trans fluid when you drained it? For me, the old fluid looked really bad - it was black like used engine oil.

I found the fill point very troublesome because the twin exhaust pipes ran past that general area. When I was doing up the fill plug, I managed to accidentally brush my hand against the hot exhaust pipe a few times. Ouch!! I'd be interested to know if you had the same challenges.

What fluid did you end up putting into your auto trans? My 2004 is the GM 5 speed auto, so I put in Dexron VI.

Thanks very much for the response.

I bought a 2004 BMW X3 without doing much research and had just assumed that it had the ZF 5 speed auto.

I will be getting the transmission fluid changed and filter replaced by a trusted auto trans specialist that I've used for all my vehicles. They have confirmed that they do work on GM gearboxes and have the appropriate fluid for the gearbox. Whilst it is shifting smoothly at 101,000 kms, I'd like to do some preventative maintenance so that it remains that way for a long long time!

Changed my lady friends X3 transfer case which by the way is WAY more important to change periodically than the transmission and also the transmission fluid and filter.
Transfer case had 63K and I wish I had done it at 50K but oh well. It was very black and holds only 0.6L of BMW fluid. Easy to change. Drained and dropped the pan, cleaned the magnets and replaced the filter and reinstalled, pumped ESSO Lt 71411 which is the same thing as Lifeguard5 spec'ed for this transmission. I believe around 5L. Transmission warm to temp added another 3/4L. Job done.
Only issue is using a inch pound torque wrench since the values are so low. By the way the Lifeguard5 I drained out was Coke colored and smelled bad however Esso smells bad anyway so I didn't think it was actually shot. I will do this in another 30-40K miles and for sure 30K miles for the transfer case since it is where all the power is sent from the engine and just too important and contains such a small amount of fluid to not change it often.

I didn't have guts enough to stray away from the OEM like using Redline or other fluids...

Originally Posted by fun2drive

Transfer case had 63K and I wish I had done it at 50K but oh well. It was very black and holds only 0.6L of BMW fluid. Easy to change.

...... 30K miles for the transfer case since it is where all the power is sent from the engine and just too important and contains such a small amount of fluid to not change it often.

Very true. Don't care what BMW recommend.
For extended engine drain intervals, they have the large oil capacity on their side.
Not so with the transfer case, which as you say, conducts proceedings in the final drive.
Either differential has an easier life in comparison.

I did my TC around 30K miles (48K km) and the fluid was quite dark
(pictures in a post in the DIY sticky).

Might have been a bit early - agree that 63K miles is getting near the must do point.

Other members who have waited to around 80K miles have seen metal flakes in the drained fluid.

Some variability in the reported capacity (allowing for minor spillage) - some even close to the full 1L.
Mine was 0.6L too, so 2 bottles from the dealer of the expensive stuff might be good for 5 or 6 years assuming average annual miles.

The need for A/T fluid changes can be debated at length, but for the TC - just do it.

Originally Posted by James Hamilton

My only real problem was getting the car up and level which is required to make sure the fluid is at the proper level. That is the only way to know you have the right amount of fluid in the transmission. For that reason alone I will never take on the job of changing the transmission fluid again. The exhaust pipes were a problem for me too. Again, in order to know the transmission takes the right amount of fluid is for the motor to be running while you are filling the transmission. If you have to change it again, I would suggest you buying a manual pump instead of using a syringe. I purchased one at Harbor Freight Tools for 7.95 that did the job perfectly. I did not remove the pan as advised by most people I talked to but I doubt if that will be a problem because of the magnets.

Well, dealer quoted $525 for filter change and fluid change (includes parts). Too much money for me.

Ordered gasket, filter, pan bolts and drain plug. $102 total at dealer. Trans supposedly takes 8 quarts of Dexron VI, so about $40 but I doubt I will get 8 out. May just get fluid from BAVAUTO which is more money, about $100 for 10 quarts. Have to buy 1 more pair of jack stands, so whole job should be around $200 to $250 which is worth me doing it.

I really think pan should be removed. That way you can replace filter, clean magnets and assess condition.

Anyone know torque values for GM6 bolts and drain plug? I saw some numbers for the ZF trans which were about 53 inch pounds, so I need a smaller torque wrench too which I can use. Looks like a trip to Sears tomorrow! I will ask service for the values if needed.

Need pump too, which I will get this week.

Job looks messy but not too bad.

That price for the Dexron VI doesn't sound right - it sounds too cheap. Are you sure you didn't get the roman numerals switched around? VI = 6, and IV = 4.

In Australia, the BMW dealer sells 4 litres of BMW part number 83220397114 for around $70, so it's quite expensive, and the bottle supplied isn't even labelled as BMW fluid. I did a quick check and 1 US quart is nearly the same as 1 metric litre. (1 qt(US Liq) = 0.946352 L)

I managed to drain out nearly 6 litres of fluid when I drained the pan using the drain plug.

The quote that you got from your dealer actually sounds about right, if they do drop the pan and replace the filter inside.

Originally Posted by tempestv8

That price for the Dexron VI doesn't sound right - it sounds too cheap. Are you sure you didn't get the roman numerals switched around? VI = 6, and IV = 4.

The price was one I saw on a post of someone who just did the change. I have not checked yet so it could very well be too low. I will be getting some tomorrow.

Bavarian Auto in Portsmouth NH does sell a synthetic fluid for the GM6 transmission that is 5 liters for $50, which may be more in line with correct pricing.

So as stated, under $250 for me to change.

If I find the same condition as others have stated, I will merely change the fluid in the X3 in the future and do the same for my wife's 530xi.

I have read the same comments on my E39. I purchased the kit and sat on it somewhat fearful that if it is working, why mess it up.
Last year, I drained and filled the fluid. Last week I dropped the pan and finished the job. So far all is well. My 530i has 130,000 miles on a steptronic tranny.
I am original owner.

Hi Dale,

I did do the full pan removal on my e39 a couple of years ago. It had the expected amount of metallic reside at the bottom of the pan, and cut up the filter to have a look inside but it did not have anything in it. What was the condition of your transmission when you had the pan out?

I used the same Esso LT fluid as what BMW specifies for the ZF gearbox. Gearbox still feels very strong today and the car has 240,000 kms on the odometer which is roughly 150,000 miles. If I were to do another service to the gearbox again, I will just change the fluid and wouldn't bother with opening up the pan.

BMW could learn from Honda & Toyota and put the magnets on the end of the drain plug.
They should also go back to a dip stick for the Tranny

Castrol has a tranny fluid called TRANSMAX.It says it is approved for BMW#71141LT.
Advance Auto sells it for $9.00 /ltr. Just wondered if anybody has tried it.
Since BMW suggests the use of Castrol oil for the engines,it makes sense that the tranny fluid would be ok.

I was shocked to see minimal metal filings. The fluid looked SEVERELY burned.
I am the original owner and this car is 95% highway driven.

The condition of the transmission was "flawlwss functionally" before I dropped the pan.
My limited experience with this made me think the condition was quite good.
I wish I did the change 50,000 miles earlier.