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Old 09-16-2010, 11:23 AM
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disposition fee

Im finalizing my order fro my 535i and there is a $350.00 disposition fee.

Is that normal?
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Old 09-16-2010, 12:13 PM
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Yes, but if you purchase another BMW at the time your current lease is up, they credit that back to you with your new purchase or lease.
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I've heard (indirectly) that it is negotiable. However, I've never read of anyone ever successfully negotiating it down, to say $250. Most folks don't bother, since they plan on getting another BMW anyway.
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Old 09-16-2010, 01:29 PM
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Im finalizing my order fro my 535i and there is a $350.00 disposition fee.

Is that normal?
Yup, I just paid it (along with $100 for a tiny scratch on the bumper). I also paid a $800 lease origination fee when I got the car. Two of the reasons why I will never lease a BMW again.
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Old 09-16-2010, 04:05 PM
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Yup, I just paid it (along with $100 for a tiny scratch on the bumper). I also paid a $800 lease origination fee when I got the car. Two of the reasons why I will never lease a BMW again.
Well, you wouldn't have had to pay the disposition fee if you were happy with BMWs and would have gotten another one. I hope your not complaining about a measly $100 for some scratches.

Origination/Acquisition fees are not unique to BMW. Many if not most manufacturers charge some some sort of fee at lease inception.

I'm sorry that you experience with your BMW was SO poor that some $1,000 in fees (in this case the acquisition and disposition fees where clearly presented at lease signing) has turned you off from BMW or at least leasing. You didn't have to sign the lease and take the car, did you?
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Well, you wouldn't have had to pay the disposition fee if you were happy with BMWs and would have gotten another one. I hope your not complaining about a measly $100 for some scratches.

Origination/Acquisition fees are not unique to BMW. Many if not most manufacturers charge some some sort of fee at lease inception.

I'm sorry that you experience with your BMW was SO poor that some $1,000 in fees (in this case the acquisition and disposition fees where clearly presented at lease signing) has turned you off from BMW or at least leasing. You didn't have to sign the lease and take the car, did you?
My dissatisfaction is with leasing, not the car. In fact, I just paid cash for a new 535i (took delivery yesterday).
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Old 09-16-2010, 07:07 PM
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My dissatisfaction is with leasing, not the car. In fact, I just paid cash for a new 535i (took delivery yesterday).
Well, I am glad to hear that you dissatisfaction wasn't with your BMW. Leasing certainly isn't for everyone. It more complicated than financing. Cash is the way to go. Some prefer the idea of a purchase where as others like knowing all numbers up front (e.g. residual amount of actual depreciation they are paying for the usage of the car).

Congrats on you new F10 purchase! I can wait to get mine. Its in transit this week.
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Old 09-16-2010, 08:26 PM
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Well, I am glad to hear that you dissatisfaction wasn't with your BMW. Leasing certainly isn't for everyone. It more complicated than financing. Cash is the way to go. Some prefer the idea of a purchase where as others like knowing all numbers up front (e.g. residual amount of actual depreciation they are paying for the usage of the car).

Congrats on you new F10 purchase! I can wait to get mine. Its in transit this week.
Yeah, I find the dealer's nickel-and-diming tactics (is $1150 a nickel or dime?...dunno) in these lease deals annoying. I was told that the initiation fee was because I had not leased with BMW before. Maybe I could have avoided the disposition fee if I leased again. But you have to ask yourself, what is so profitable about this scheme that you are given these incentives for renewing your lease over and over? Is it the interest (cleverly renamed money factor - shades of Orwell!), or forced brand loyalty, or the constant supply of lightly-used cars for resale, or all of the above. I was also peeved that I had to put $2K worth of tires on this thing just before I turned it in.
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Well, I am glad to hear that you dissatisfaction wasn't with your BMW. Leasing certainly isn't for everyone. It more complicated than financing. Cash is the way to go. Some prefer the idea of a purchase where as others like knowing all numbers up front (e.g. residual amount of actual depreciation they are paying for the usage of the car).

Congrats on you new F10 purchase! I can wait to get mine. Its in transit this week.
I agree. Cash is the way to go--so much easier just to write a check and be done
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I sure like to stay clear of the lease for all the reasons stated above. You pay to borrow the car and pay to run it and then pay to return it.
Ohhhhh did I forget to say you pay for what you get?
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Old 09-17-2010, 04:34 PM
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But the beauty of leasing is that it takes all the guesswork out at the end of the term. You don't have to worry that the car you fell in love with in 2008 is no longer desirable, and you don't have to haggle over trade-in price (or worse, deal with the tire kickers if you sell the car privately).

And of course the downside of leasing is that it is a fairly complex transaction, and a whole lot of folks get fleeced by entering into it without a full understanding of how it works.
Agree totally! Leasing is actually very attractive and desirable, IF you understand how a lease works and what your payment is made up of. You know up front and the terms and costs of the lease (before you even have to sign). Sure, in 24/36/48 months things could change, but at least you know of of the gate how the deal looks form both sidesl. I think too many people get into leases to drive cars they cant really afford - IMHO. Leasing is complicated, but actually straight forward if you do you homework and understand the numbers and how they effect things. It is NOT the dealers job to educate the buyer on leasing (nor straight financing) and its principals. Their job is to present you the contract, which discloses all fees, etc.... that make up your payment. To many folks only look at the down payment and monthly payment and are thrilled that they can get x car for that payment and sign without really understanding the gross cost for the term and if they could have gotten it for less. That's totally the fault of the buyer. These are the folks that dealers usually make their money on, which is fair game.

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I sure like to stay clear of the lease for all the reasons stated above. You pay to borrow the car and pay to run it and then pay to return it.
Ohhhhh did I forget to say you pay for what you get?
Very true. You DO get what you pay for. Sadly, in terms of leasing and other financial dealings full disclosure still isn't enough.
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Hmmm..$650 vs $850 that's a 30% premium. I'd say that getting that kind of return in average is pretty unusual and much more of gamble/luck. Nope I stick to buying cash, thank you.
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re-calc?

Could Quackbury do the same calculation with the current 3 yr T-bill yield of .75? Also, include the bank acquisition and disposition fees. Just curious.
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Old 09-17-2010, 04:49 PM
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Could Quackbury do the same calculation with the current 3 yr T-bill yield of .75? Also, include the bank acquisition and disposition fees. Just curious.
Sure he could. At least 2 out of the 3. (Quack has never been charged a dispo fee, so no need for him to factor it in). Like I said above, HISTORICALLY there have been better uses of capital than sinking it into a DEPRECIATING asset. I think we can all agree today's yield curve is an anomaly, but let's play along.

Framing it the way you are asking, let's say Solstice and I each have $70,000 cash sitting in our respective pockets, and each get a $65,000 car. To make the math easy, let's assume we "invest" our funds in a non-interest bearing checking account, so we earn 0.00% instead of 0.7%

Solstice buys his car outright. He pays cash for the car, plus the sales tax. (Let's assume he has a $40,000 trade-in, so he only pays sales tax on $25,000. And for sh*ts and giggles let's assume his state's sales tax is 5.00%, so his total cost is $66,250. He's got $3,750 left in his checking account when he walks out of hte dealership.

OTOH I lease mine, pay the $775 acquisition fee, then lease payments of $800/month (including tax). 36 months from now I've spent $28,800 on lease payments, plus $775 on the acquisition fee = $29,575 total. I hand the dealer the keys and walk away. I've still got $40,425 in my checking account.

If Solstice can sell or trade his car for more than $36,675, he comes out ahead. ($36,675 plus $3,750 equals the $40,425 in my checking account). But he has to go through all the hassle of marketing the car. Assuming his time is worth something, you need to factor that in.

Now here's the kicker. It makes no difference to me what the market is for my car 36 months from now, as my residual is locked in. OTOH if folks don't want Solstice's car 3 years from now, he's SOL. (Know anyone who bought a Yukon Denali in 2006? Any idea what that truck was worth 3 years later? They lost their shirts! Even worse if they bought a Pontiac or Hummer).

To me, a QUANTIFIABLE monthly expense beats a crap shoot any day. YMMV.

EDIT: I left out any "other" costs out of the above - registration, property tax, etc. - as you're going to face those regardless of whether you lease or pay cash).
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Old 09-17-2010, 04:25 PM
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Wow, I didn't meant to spark such controversy.

Im furious at my dealer. I feel I am being cheated.

Im leasing my 3rd BMW and they are ripping me off.


Charging a disposition fee, $350.00 Really? After leasinga 3rd BMW

Charging me a purchase price of 63,776.88 for a car the shows at Edmunds for 61,730.

Cardsdirect.com shows an invoice price of $62,220. I think they account for the advertising fee. Even that seem hi but carsdirect.com shows a purchase price of $62,920 which is 700 over invoice.

Deal told me 680 over invoice but a purchase price of over 63k then has a separate line item for disposition fee and quoted me a higher lease payment than carsdirct.com

I should cancel my order and bring my business elsewhere,,, im pissed.

Full offer is as follows:

MSRP 67,175

Purchase Price $63,776.88
Disposition Fee $350
Acquisition Fee $105.00
Up front Taxes $2,722.17
Cap Cost reduction $2,000.00


Lease Payment 797.00

I have a lease spreadsheet and cant get it to match this number. Im doing something wrong.

Am I getting screwed here?
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Old 09-17-2010, 04:42 PM
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Wow, I didn't meant to spark such controversy.

Im furious at my dealer. I feel I am being cheated.

Im leasing my 3rd BMW and they are ripping me off.


Charging a disposition fee, $350.00 Really? After leasinga 3rd BMW

Charging me a purchase price of 63,776.88 for a car the shows at Edmunds for 61,730.

Cardsdirect.com shows an invoice price of $62,220. I think they account for the advertising fee. Even that seem hi but carsdirect.com shows a purchase price of $62,920 which is 700 over invoice.

Deal told me 680 over invoice but a purchase price of over 63k then has a separate line item for disposition fee and quoted me a higher lease payment than carsdirct.com

I should cancel my order and bring my business elsewhere,,, im pissed.

Full offer is as follows:

MSRP 67,175

Purchase Price $63,776.88
Disposition Fee $350
Acquisition Fee $105.00
Up front Taxes $2,722.17
Cap Cost reduction $2,000.00


Lease Payment 797.00

I have a lease spreadsheet and cant get it to match this number. Im doing something wrong.

Am I getting screwed here?
I am not sure why on your paperwork for your new lease why they have a disposition fee. That is billed from BMW (if I understand it correct) as the fee is theirs. Maybe if you didn't have a cash security deposit down, then maybe the dealer collects it and all fees. Not sure on that one. Acquisition fee at cost is $725, with the maximum markup of $200, $925. This is again, NOT a dealer fee, but one from BMWFS. Something is off.
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Disposition Fee is the fee you pay when you DON'T want to buy the car after your lease is over. It's listed on the fine print in your lease agreement. In other words, if you buy the car after your lease is over, you don't have to pay for the disposition fee but otherwise you have to. It's fairly standard from what I see in BMW lease so you are not being screwed.
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Disposition Fee is the fee you pay when you DON'T want to buy the car after your lease is over. It's listed on the fine print in your lease agreement. In other words, if you buy the car after your lease is over, you don't have to pay for the disposition fee but otherwise you have to. It's fairly standard from what I see in BMW lease so you are not being screwed.
Actually, dispo fee is charged if you don't FINANCE OR LEASE ANY BMW within 6 months of your lease end. I have never purchased my existing car at lease end, yet I have never paid a dispo fee since I am always moving into my next BMW.
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Actually, dispo fee is charged if you don't FINANCE OR LEASE ANY BMW within 6 months of your lease end. I have never purchased my existing car at lease end, yet I have never paid a dispo fee since I am always moving into my next BMW.
Makes sense. I think the fine print says if you don't buy the car but I can see how they would waive the disposition fee if you continue to finance or lease BMW.
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Wow, I didn't meant to spark such controversy.

Im furious at my dealer. I feel I am being cheated.

Im leasing my 3rd BMW and they are ripping me off.


Charging a disposition fee, $350.00 Really? After leasinga 3rd BMW

Charging me a purchase price of 63,776.88 for a car the shows at Edmunds for 61,730.

Cardsdirect.com shows an invoice price of $62,220. I think they account for the advertising fee. Even that seem hi but carsdirect.com shows a purchase price of $62,920 which is 700 over invoice.

Deal told me 680 over invoice but a purchase price of over 63k then has a separate line item for disposition fee and quoted me a higher lease payment than carsdirct.com

I should cancel my order and bring my business elsewhere,,, im pissed.

Full offer is as follows:

MSRP 67,175

Purchase Price $63,776.88
Disposition Fee $350
Acquisition Fee $105.00
Up front Taxes $2,722.17
Cap Cost reduction $2,000.00


Lease Payment 797.00

I have a lease spreadsheet and cant get it to match this number. Im doing something wrong.

Am I getting screwed here?
Steady, young Skywalker. Lots of inconsistencies in your post.

Are you upset because you see a dispo fee on the lease-end statement for the car you are returning? If so, all you need to do is call the folks at BMWFS and tell them the VIN or production number of your new car. They will waive the dispo fee, no questions asked.

Or are you upset because you are seeing the dispo fee in the contract for your new BMW? Take a minute and read the fine print - the fee will ONLY be charged if you do not finance or lease a new BMW within 6 months of your new lease's ending. When you think it through, you will realize they have to put it in the contract - they have no way of knowing whether, 3 years from now, you will re-up with BMW or move to Audi.

Third, the invoice prices at Edmunds do NOT include the MACO and training fees. If you are quesitoning your dealer, have him or her show you the invoice print out from BMW.

Fourth, there is no such thing as a $105 acq. fee. BMWFS charges a flat $775. Your dealer can mark it up a max of $200. This is negotiable, but not below $775.

Fifth, cap cost reductions are almost always a really, really bad idea. MSD's are not. Do yourself a huge favor and research both terms (the BF Ask-a-Dealer forum is a great place to start).

Sixth, what is the breakdown of the "up front taxes" line item? Most states charge sales tax on the monthly payment, some (TX, NY and I forget which others) charge it up front on the entire sum of the payments. Make sure you understand where those numbers are coming from.

Finally, you need to plug the total "cap cost" into your lease calculator. You are not providing enough information in your post to determine what that is. Are you paying taxes, title, acq. fee and so on up front? (Together with your first monthly payment - and cap cost reduction, which you really want to avoid - these are often called your drive off costs). Or are these various fees being added to your cap cost and amortized over the term of your lease?
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Old 09-17-2010, 05:27 PM
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Steady, young Skywalker. Lots of inconsistencies in your post.

Are you upset because you see a dispo fee on the lease-end statement for the car you are returning? If so, all you need to do is call the folks at BMWFS and tell them the VIN or production number of your new car. They will waive the dispo fee, no questions asked.

Or are you upset because you are seeing the dispo fee in the contract for your new BMW? Take a minute and read the fine print - the fee will ONLY be charged if you do not finance or lease a new BMW within 6 months of your new lease's ending. When you think it through, you will realize they have to put it in the contract - they have no way of knowing whether, 3 years from now, you will re-up with BMW or move to Audi.

Third, the invoice prices at Edmunds do NOT include the MACO and training fees. If you are quesitoning your dealer, have him or her show you the invoice print out from BMW.

Fourth, there is no such thing as a $105 acq. fee. BMWFS charges a flat $775. Your dealer can mark it up a max of $200. This is negotiable, but not below $775.

Fifth, cap cost reductions are almost always a really, really bad idea. MSD's are not. Do yourself a huge favor and research both terms (the BF Ask-a-Dealer forum is a great place to start).

Sixth, what is the breakdown of the "up front taxes" line item? Most states charge sales tax on the monthly payment, some (TX, NY and I forget which others) charge it up front on the entire sum of the payments. Make sure you understand where those numbers are coming from.

Finally, you need to plug the total "cap cost" into your lease calculator. You are not providing enough information in your post to determine what that is. Are you paying taxes, title, acq. fee and so on up front? (Together with your first monthly payment - and cap cost reduction, which you really want to avoid - these are often called your drive off costs). Or are these various fees being added to your cap cost and amortized over the term of your lease?
Thank for your response,,,, few things,,, yes, I made a mistake 725 aquisition fee,,, not 105

Here are better details.
36 monts,,, 10k miles a year
residual .62 money factor .00023
Payment Details:
MSRP $67,175.00
Sales Price $63,776.88
Disposition Fee $350.00

Due At Signing:
First month payment $797.00
Aquisition $725.00
Fees and insurance $105.00
Upfront Tax $2,722.17
Cap Cost reduction $2,000.00

I wanted the payment to be lower but I agree that I should consider msd.

I am in NY State and tax is upfront. Again,, I wanted to lower the lease payment so im paying it up front.

I might be misunderstadning the dispostion fee,,, entirely possible.

Deos this detail help? What are your thoughts on this deal?
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And also factor in that while the leasee pays $850/month of his income the cash buyer can sink that money into investments, IRAs or paying of debt as a mortage etc. There are quite a lot factors but my guess is that the chances to coming out ahead is a fair amount bigger for the cash buyer. And that's just the financial side, then there is the satisfaction of actually owning your vehicle and do what you want with it when you want to.
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Dealer is giving you the buy rate. Always a good sign.

Looks like you are getting the car for +/- $1,500 over invoice which is a reasonable deal for the F10. (X5 would be $1,000, 3 series would be $500).

My lease calculator gives me EXACTLY $797.00 as a payment, so nothing fishy going on.

Too bad you are not a BMWCCA member - the $1,000 rebate would be helpful.

The cap cost reduction is foolish. that money is GONE the minute you leave the dealership. If the car is stolen or totalled you will not get it back. Plus you are paying sales tax on it.

Rather than piss away $2,000, I would do 3 multiple security deposits, for a total cost of $2,550. You will get the $2,550 back at the end of the lease. The MSD's lower your MF, and you are getting about a 11% tax-freee ROR on the funds.

The monthly payment "my way" is $835.02. If the extra $37 a month is a deal killer, you shouldn't be leasing an F10.
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2014 328i Sport Wagon, Glacier / Black, ZSL, ZD2, ZD3, ZDH, ZLP, ZPP, ZTP, and H-K

Prior BMW's
2011 535ix MSport
2011 X5 35D
2008 ///M3 Vert
2008 X5 3.0
2007 X5 3.0
2006 X5 3.0
2006 550iA SP
2003 540iA M-Technic
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Old 09-17-2010, 05:53 PM
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Dealer is giving you the buy rate. Always a good sign.

Looks like you are getting the car for +/- $1,500 over invoice which is a reasonable deal for the F10. (X5 would be $1,000, 3 series would be $500).

My lease calculator gives me EXACTLY $797.00 as a payment, so nothing fishy going on.

Too bad you are not a BMWCCA member - the $1,000 rebate would be helpful.

The cap cost reduction is foolish. that money is GONE the minute you leave the dealership. If the car is stolen or totalled you will not get it back. Plus you are paying sales tax on it.

Rather than piss away $2,000, I would do 3 multiple security deposits, for a total cost of $2,550. You will get the $2,550 back at the end of the lease. The MSD's lower your MF, and you are getting about a 11% tax-freee ROR on the funds.

The monthly payment "my way" is $835.02. If the extra $37 a month is a deal killer, you shouldn't be leasing an F10.
Thanks for your reponse and advice.

$37.00 is not a deal killer, I just had a specific number in mind. Your advice on MSD is better than anything my dealer is telling me. I just leanred of this option recently.

I repsectfully disagree that 1,500 over invoice is fair when Im leasing my third car from the same dealer and the dealer is stating its 680 over invoice. I jsut want them to be honest with me,, again, unless im missing something.

Would you be willing to email me you leasing calculator? Would be grealty apreciated. Im PM you my private email.

BTW, What is BMWCCA?

Thanks again.
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Old 09-17-2010, 06:57 PM
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Thanks for your reponse and advice.

$37.00 is not a deal killer, I just had a specific number in mind. Your advice on MSD is better than anything my dealer is telling me. I just leanred of this option recently.

I repsectfully disagree that 1,500 over invoice is fair when Im leasing my third car from the same dealer and the dealer is stating its 680 over invoice. I jsut want them to be honest with me,, again, unless im missing something.

Would you be willing to email me you leasing calculator? Would be grealty apreciated. Im PM you my private email.

BTW, What is BMWCCA?

Thanks again.
Very few customers know about MSD's, so don't hold it against the dealer.

BMWCCA is BMW Car CLub of America. Details here: www.bmwcca.org The monthly magazine alone is worth the price of admission. Plus a 10% to 15% discount on parts and accessories at participating dealers, and a $500 to $1,500 rebate when you buy or lease a new or CPO BMW.

Not sure what to say about the experience with your dealer. There are lots of ways for them to pad the transaction price: marking up the MF, adding $200 to the acquisition fee, etc. I think the fact they didn't is a good sign.

Not sure what to make of the discrepancy between $680 and $1,500. $680 is a VERY weird number. At the end of the day, the F10 is in demand and the dealer is entitled to make a profit on it. Yes you may get it cheaper by driving to a center 50 miles from your house (or buying on from one of the Fest sponsors and doing PCD), but one question I'd consider is where are you going to get it serviced, and how does that dealership treat you if you didn't buy your car there? I'd rather deal with a center with a top notch SA, BMW loaners and valet service, rather than drive an hour to a place with Enterprise rental cars.

(And remember that when you are leasing, an extra $500 of dealer profit - added to the cap cost - only increases your monthly payment by $15. No biggie).
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Current BMW's:
2014 535i MSport Space / Black, ZCW, ZDA, ZLP, ZLS, ZPP, H-K and 704
2014 328i Sport Wagon, Glacier / Black, ZSL, ZD2, ZD3, ZDH, ZLP, ZPP, ZTP, and H-K

Prior BMW's
2011 535ix MSport
2011 X5 35D
2008 ///M3 Vert
2008 X5 3.0
2007 X5 3.0
2006 X5 3.0
2006 550iA SP
2003 540iA M-Technic
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