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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 09-19-2010, 05:46 PM
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New X5 2011 with 46 miles Check Engine Light came on

I just had my shiny new 2011 X5 for 2 days, and not even drove 50 miles and I see check engine light on this morning. I thought it will go away. All day it is still on. Being sunday I cannot call BMW Service.

ANyone has any ideas on what this is or happen to them? Am beginning to worry about BMW. I had a Lexus for 4 years with zero problems and only peace of mind and luxury. I thought I was hoping to a "better" car but already beginning to worry.

Other than that I love my new car!

Thanks for your replies on my problem.
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Old 09-19-2010, 06:31 PM
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Check the iDrive under vehicle info. It should tell you what the light is on for.
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Old 09-19-2010, 06:38 PM
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cool, thanks a lot! I will check it in the morning and let you know what it is. I am very curious now to find out. I did not know the idrive can tell you details of it.

Also I heard the bmw assist has info that will be sent via online to bmw centers. Will I be able to see such info by any online system?


Thanks a bunch!
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:11 PM
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Am beginning to worry about BMW.

but already beginning to worry.

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Got it, worried.

There is no way to know what is causing the CEL (check engine light).

All the BMW SOS system will know is "cel", not which of the hurdreds of codes (and hundreds of issues) it might be.

Let us know what the dealer says...in particular YOU WANT THE ACTUAL CODE.

I wouldn't be happy, for sure...but I wouldnt be worried.

A
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:05 PM
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ok will call my dealer and ask them what this is and ask for the Actual Code and will post it here as soon as I get an answer from them.

Thanks!
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:19 PM
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ok will call my dealer and ask them what this is and ask for the Actual Code and will post it here as soon as I get an answer from them.

Thanks!
The dealer cannot divine a code over the phone. You will need to drive there, they may give you a loaner or you wait...they attach a computer and read the OBD (on board diagnostic) code.

They use this code, and other BMW specific data, to decide what is wrong (if anything) and what to do.

GL

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Old 09-20-2010, 07:20 AM
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+1, and while its in there get the service manager/or a tech to give you a cockpit check off on what you should know about your new X5. The sales guys are done with you now that you have spent your money so its up to the service force to keep you sweet until your warranty runs out. They know more about the car anyway. Good luck.
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Old 09-20-2010, 07:22 AM
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thanks!

I will have to take the car in i suppose. I also thought the BMW Assist system can send the diagnostics via satellite to their service centers so they get the OBD info. Is that not true?



Also my new Premium edition X5 came with no cargo cover, nor the first-aid kit or safety traffic triangle. Are these extras or was i supposed to have them?

Thanks
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Old 09-20-2010, 07:36 AM
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I think they deleted the cargo cover (useless in my view anyway) as a standard item. You can still buy one from them though! The first aid kit and triangles are not required in the US. The german built BMWs have them included when you pick up the car on a overseas delivery, but with the cars shipped here for sale the items are removed. I don't know why, because both Audi and MB have theirs included. Again to save money I guess. You can buy the kits from BMW suppliers I suppose.

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Old 09-20-2010, 08:46 AM
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thanks a lot for your replies.
My BMW dealer's responses to my questions are selective and avoiding answering these questions, even though they answer other questions, which means they read my questions. I would not mind if I get an answer stating I dont get those extras, but those questions are going silent, unanswered... making me a bit think a bit, about their honesty. Of course during the course of the purchase, I realized several things that made me a bit uncomfortable but could not walk away as they held me by making me put a deposit.

Glad that I am getting a much better response here on this forum. Thanks again UncleJ.

Now I just have to figure out what that check engine light is about and I think Iwill be all set (hopefully no new surprises catch me unawares). However, I don't love my new car any less no matter what people say negative about bmws. I suppose over the years technological advances have made all car manufacturers advance in their respective areas and being almost 2011, things should not be as bad, i suppose (and hope).



Mark

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Old 01-24-2011, 08:55 PM
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Got it, worried.

There is no way to know what is causing the CEL (check engine light).

All the BMW SOS system will know is "cel", not which of the hurdreds of codes (and hundreds of issues) it might be.

Let us know what the dealer says...in particular YOU WANT THE ACTUAL CODE.

I wouldn't be happy, for sure...but I wouldnt be worried.

A
I have a 2011 x35i and started having the same problem as the OP (I think) around 4000 miles. I am now around 8 or 9000 and the problem has not gone away. I have brought it to the dealership twice, and both times they found "Fault 3227 for DMTL Line Disconnection" (copied that from service dep't paperwork). They claim after further investigation that each time, the fault was incorrect, meaning all related lines/grounds etc checked out fine, and that this appears to be a possible false positive.

The CEL has come on around 5 times in the last 2 months, seems to stay on for a few days at a time (unless the dealership clears the fault), and goes back off for a few days or couple weeks. The latest I heard is that PUMA told the techs they have made this complaint a top priority and would get back to the techs ASAP with a fix. However, it's been a couple months and no one has called, and the CEL periodically comes on as it's been doing.

As it stands, I am hoping to hear something soon. If I check with my own OBD-II while the CEL is on, it shows up as code P2400, and this is the only info I could find out about it:

"Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection Pump Control Circuit/Open"
(from http://gearheadwiki.com/wiki/OBD-II_code_P2400)

Appreciate any useful advice offered!
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Old 01-25-2011, 05:56 AM
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Appreciate any useful advice offered!
1. Open the owners manual/warranty booklet you got withthe car.
2. read and UNDERSTAND what you need to do to file a Lemon Claim (ie giving BMW notice)
3. Do so in writing, send Certified Mail. Send a copy to your dealer.
4. Wait
5. Give them one more chance (I think you have to)
6. Pick out new colors and options for your new X5.....

Unless you start this process you will simply NOT get the attention this requires....

IMO

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Old 01-25-2011, 12:33 PM
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I have a 2011 x35i and started having the same problem as the OP (I think) around 4000 miles. I am now around 8 or 9000 and the problem has not gone away. I have brought it to the dealership twice, and both times they found "Fault 3227 for DMTL Line Disconnection" (copied that from service dep't paperwork). They claim after further investigation that each time, the fault was incorrect, meaning all related lines/grounds etc checked out fine, and that this appears to be a possible false positive.

The CEL has come on around 5 times in the last 2 months, seems to stay on for a few days at a time (unless the dealership clears the fault), and goes back off for a few days or couple weeks. The latest I heard is that PUMA told the techs they have made this complaint a top priority and would get back to the techs ASAP with a fix. However, it's been a couple months and no one has called, and the CEL periodically comes on as it's been doing.

As it stands, I am hoping to hear something soon. If I check with my own OBD-II while the CEL is on, it shows up as code P2400, and this is the only info I could find out about it:

"Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection Pump Control Circuit/Open"
(from http://gearheadwiki.com/wiki/OBD-II_code_P2400)

Appreciate any useful advice offered!
When my CEL appeared, it stayed on and this happened twice. The first time the dealer's techs re-set things turning it off. In short order it went right back on and remained on regardless of how and when the car was used. While the CEL was on (the second time around) the dealer's techs worked on the car along with remote assistance by engineers at BMW. Still, nada, they acknowledged a problem existed that they didn't know how to fix. A Lemon Law Attorney told me that from a legal stand point an inability to fix translates as a "refusal to fix". My 2011 X5 was really brand new, having only about 400 miles on it. I can't see how old your car is (but only "around 5 times in the last 2 months"). If this was going on with me, I'd touch base with a Lemon Law Attorney to learn my rights, as your dealer doesn't appear to be serving your rights. I had a huge problem with a Chevy about 40 years ago, there being no recourse, I traded it for another car, accepting a huge loss.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:59 PM
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Same thing happened to my 2011 X5 with about 100 miles. That light could mean many things, but most likely its something really minor. I actually read that it could be the gas cap not being put on properly. So I twisted it off and on (a little harder this time) and the light magically went away. Saved me a trip to the dealership. Give it a try.
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:49 AM
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Unless things have changed in the last month, the cargo cover should be included with the Premium. It is not included with the Base, and I forget whether or not it is included with the Sport Activity. I would bitch to your dealer about that.

As someone else mentioned, most likely (benign) culprit for the CEL is your gas cap. Always check that first. IIRC the computer does not check every input each time the car is started, so even if you have the cap on tight, it may take a day or so for the CEL to go out. However, if you've only driven 50 miles it's unlikely you've added gas, so it may be something else.

Over the years, the bean counters have deleted a lot of stuff that used to come with the car. E.g. the cute little plug-in flashlight that was a BMW tradition. My 2007 X5 came with a standard spare tire; my 2008 did not. In addition to the reflector and first aid kit, you will find very few tools included with the tool kit. But the car will surprise and delight you in many other ways.
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Old 09-20-2010, 11:08 AM
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Unless things have changed in the last month, the cargo cover should be included with the Premium. It is not included with the Base, and I forget whether or not it is included with the Sport Activity. .
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...o+cover&page=8

Not included on ANY 35i ....
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Old 09-20-2010, 12:07 PM
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My salesperson provided a cargo cover for my 2011 35i X5 at the dealer's expense, not mine. I probably paid for it though, you know. Anyway, she said BMW used to provide the cargo cover and that she thought it was a good idea, so she puts one in every X5 she sells.

No warning triangle or first aid kit was included. I guess BMWs built in SC don't get them. My 2001 740iL and 2008 535i both had warning triangles and first aid kits. The 740iL was a tourist delivery so we ended up with two of each.

Anyway, the cargo cover rattles when extended, so it is no big deal to be without.
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Old 09-20-2010, 01:44 PM
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My salesperson provided a cargo cover for my 2011 35i X5 at the dealer's expense, not mine. I probably paid for it though, you know. Anyway, she said BMW used to provide the cargo cover and that she thought it was a good idea, so she puts one in every X5 she sells.

No warning triangle or first aid kit was included. I guess BMWs built in SC don't get them. My 2001 740iL and 2008 535i both had warning triangles and first aid kits. The 740iL was a tourist delivery so we ended up with two of each.

Anyway, the cargo cover rattles when extended, so it is no big deal to be without.
My cargo cover rattled in the open and closed position. It now resides in the garage. I am very sensitive to rattles.
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Old 09-22-2010, 01:08 PM
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My cargo cover rattled in the open and closed position. It now resides in the garage. I am very sensitive to rattles.
Mine did the same thing. Had the service shop tweak it. They stuck on some felt at the contact points and squeaks went away. This was done under warranty.
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Old 09-20-2010, 11:57 AM
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Wasn't there a release that BMW will start including the cargo carrier in the near future for 35i models? Can't remember the start date, thought it was around the October updates.
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Old 09-27-2010, 03:05 PM
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I suspect that BMW last decades always has had many problems with the quality. It happens ( or must happen) because BMW is in the front of new technologies, it immediately uses new things after they have been invented without testing them a lot.

In my Lexus LX470 which is the best quality car in the world I don't have MP3 playing possibility despite it appeared 5 years before the car was produced. In new Lexus LX570 USB input was employed just from 2010 models.

Just to support u psychologically.
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:51 PM
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1. I believe I told you you wanted the actual code. written on the work order.

When you fail to get that, you've identified yourself as a 'patsy;' to whom they can (possible) just shine you on.

(By 'service station' you mean BMW dealer, right??)

2. I am not aware of 'smoke testing' the fuel system. It is a pressure test procedure they do.

3. We actually don't \know if the CEL was a fuel cap related issue! Just the service sales guy saying 'yeah it was'

4. When you get an evap system code, indicating a leak, first thing you think of is the cap. But if that is OK, then I'd think of a loose hose/assembly error.

5. Make sure they understand the need to be precise with their commnications with you- it signals to them they have someone who is paying atttention. Do not sign a work order unless it states IN WRITING, that this is the second time in X miles. Forcing them to enter it in the record is an overt way of saying you want to exert some control.
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Old 09-29-2010, 07:27 AM
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They can actually fill all the evap lines with smoke under pressure. I have seen it done. They were able to find a pinhole in one of the vapor lines and not the fuel line since that is different.
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Mine has 3500 miles on it and the CEL went on. Tried the gas cap - came back on. Turns out I needed a new Urea Solution Tank....
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Mine got the first engine light on in early July (purchased on begining of June), and then the second time last week. Both time, at different dealer, I was told that was a software error and what they did was just updating the software.

I didn't ask for the error code, but does anyone know if my car had some mechanical problem, like the throttle of pinhole in vapor line, would it take two months to make the engine light on again?

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